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Old 12-04-2010, 06:11 PM
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I could try that, can't see what he can do if the brackets have to be attached to the back though. Hole alignment or not, there's no way they'll work on the outside. Maybe my hubs and spindles are shorter than later ones, I dunno.
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Old 12-04-2010, 08:02 PM
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Wait, do you have the 4 bolt flange D60? The 7 bolt (74+) is the same flange as a Chevy D60 rear, the 68-73 is not. It's the more common Ford/Dodge style.

Don't those attach from the back?
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Old 12-04-2010, 08:21 PM
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Wait, do you have the 4 bolt flange D60? The 7 bolt (74+) is the same flange as a Chevy D60 rear, the 68-73 is not. It's the more common Ford/Dodge style.

Don't those attach from the back?

Winner winner chicken dinner. I made this aware to the vendor. These are what I got, and they aren't set up for that in any way shape or form. He knew it was a 4 hole, apparently didn't know they only go on the back.
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Old 12-04-2010, 08:35 PM
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I thought you had the 7 bolt flange since you where calling it a Chevy rear. I thought the 4 bolt brackets went behind the flange like on 14b's.

Of course you can't try that without cutting the bracket, making it impossible to return.
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Old 12-04-2010, 08:39 PM
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I thought you had the 7 bolt flange since you where calling it a Chevy rear. I thought the 4 bolt brackets went behind the flange like on 14b's.

Of course you can't try that without cutting the bracket, making it impossible to return.

I know. Regardless I'm eating this...not going to ship a 71lb package back, already painted and hammered and drilled on the brackets..and I can use the brake parts worst case on the front...but I'm screwed because I really need to get wheels on this, and this was my window of oppurtunity money and weather wise to do it. Now I..just gotta figure something out. Prolly try cutting one and seeing if it'll work behind the flange, slot the holes, trim it somehow, and have it welded after.

From what I've seen scouring the web, only Blackbird sells the 'correct' ones set up for this axle.
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Old 12-04-2010, 08:47 PM
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Can't go wrong welding it. Then you'll have it right where you want it, and can clock the calpiers better.
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Old 12-05-2010, 10:07 AM
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Looks like I can use the spacer plates to cut first and get a template to trim the opening in the brackets. Since they're 1/4" steel, I think I'll have to find someone with a milling machine to cut them. Don't think the sawzall or 4" makita is going to swing it this time..
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Old 12-05-2010, 06:31 PM
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Ok, took some measurements off 3 D60 rears while up at Flints today:
Dodge D60 about 6" from axle tube flange to outside of hub
Early style matching mine exactly": about 6.5
Later J20 FF D60 (late 70s+) about 9" with a cap over it. So at Least 8 inches from flange to outside of hub


SO....that explains why this bracket doesn't work on the outside of the hub flange. Moving it to the rear should work..at worst calipers will need minor spacing out. I am going to cut and trim mine and go from there. I'll inform the vendor he was mistaken about early year D60s on Full Size Jeeps so he can sell his kits appropiately and hopefully no else has to learn this the hard way.

Will update as I go.

Anyone have a milling machine and a free half hour? I'll mail em with return postage.
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:12 PM
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Dude, I just did this conversion on a 72 D60 in my truck! You need to call Shawn Aka gunbi and have him send you a set of early Dodge brackets! The bracket will go over the axle tube and bolt on the back of the flange. Your caliper will line up proper. BUT!!!, You will need to re drill the bolt holes on your axle flange. Re drilling the holes to clock the caliper lower, so you can get your upper caliper pin in and out. Mine works great, I just went through the same thing. Hope this helps.
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:24 PM
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One more thing, I had to order wheel bearing seals for a 69- 76 Dodge 3/4 ton. The seals in your kit will be wrong. I used Dorman lug studs # 610-180 They are 9/16 though. I called Shawn and he sent two other sets of brackets. I used what I needed and sent the rest back. He even refunded me $47.00 cause I had to buy different seals!
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:30 PM
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Thank you so much, I shall do that then. You just hopefully saved me a lot of hassle, bro. Appreciated!!
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:40 PM
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Keep us posted, let me know if you have questions. They are working on this kit, but 71 - 73 Jeep Dana 60 axles have a bastard brake set up cause the frame is wide putting the spring pads out were the brakes should be. Hang in there.
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Cool, I sent him what you said (since it'll be fresh in his mind) and a pic of how it sits, and will wait and see how it turns out. Thanks man.
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:42 PM
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I'm not thrilled about touching that flange, but at this point gotta gitterdun. If you could snap a pic of how yours turned out, that'd be awesome. Thanks for posting up.
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:58 PM
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I will get a picture in the next day or two. I would get a 1/2'' center punch and use you bracket as a template to drill the holes. If you do not re drill you will not get the caliper pin out unless it not in a 71-73 J truck. Then the spring is back far enough to get the pins in. When you call tell him my name, Billy Murdock with the Jeep truck just to help him remember. They are very nice, and easy to work with.
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:08 PM
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Thanks! I'll try that...I have them clocked way back now which isn't optimal but isn't bad. I have stock springs in stock location. Hope it works out, fingers crossed.
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:09 PM
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hey man i feel your pain, i just spent all day installing rear discs on my camaro. my kit uses ford thunderbird calipers (ford parts, i should have know it wasn't going to go well). well the way the kit works the bleeder screw points down. so to make it possible to bleed they put a bleeder screw in the banjo bolt. and no supprise i couldn't get them to bleed. so after spending way to mutch time messing with it i decided to switch everything around, right side on the left and left on the right. this way the bleeder screw was pointing up. i could do this because i have a four link and not the stagerd shocks. shure enough problem solved. anyway i guess we get to learn that nothing is a "bolt on" kit. so sorry for the hyjack/rant, hope you get everything working right.
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:15 PM
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Nope, trust me, I understand. Staying calm, trying to figure it out, then asking for help never hurts if you can do it.
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:17 AM
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Cool, I hope this is good news on the Dodge brackets.
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Old 12-06-2010, 08:58 AM
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Vendor and I are working this out right now.
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