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  • SJTD
    304 AMC
    • Apr 26, 2012
    • 1956

    #91
    243 Was asking for pichers of how I did the hydroboost so I figgered I's post them here.

    I didn't want to use a long spacer on the engine side of the firewall so I used a piece of 1" x 4" tubing. The far side hole is big enough for the spanner to fit to tighten the nut. I've read it's ok to mount it upside down.



    With no spacer the pin on the pedal is too close to the firewall. I put 1/4" thick plate on each side of the pedal. The front holes in the plates pick up the original pin hole in the pedal. The left side plate is threaded to accept a bolt since a nut would interfere with the actuating rod. The rear holes take a longer bolt that also pushes on the rod.



    In this one you can see a bit of the master's actuating rod. Can also see the spacer between the two plates made from a split piece of 1" tubing that lets the bolt be tightened without squeezing the side plates together.



    This one shows the master rod better. There's a spacer under the washer to make up the difference between the bolt and the hole in the rod and also allows the bolt to be tightened without squeezing the rod.



    All this because I didn't want to weld on the pedal to move the actuating pin to the back of the pedal. I think it's cast steel not cast iron but I'm not sure and I don't like the idea of such an important weld being in tension. At least a weld done by me.

    Also moves the master away from the engine. Might be a problem since I've been thinking about about going to a hydraulic clutch.
    Last edited by SJTD; 10-15-2018, 09:11 PM.
    Sic friatur crustulum

    '84 GW with Nissan SD33T, early Chev NV4500, 300, narrowed Ford reverse 44, narrowed Ford 60, SOA/reversed shackle in fornt, lowered mount/flipped shackle in rear.

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    • SJTD
      304 AMC
      • Apr 26, 2012
      • 1956

      #92
      Decided to go ahead with the hydraulic clutch.

      I used parts for a CJ including the hose that just needed a little reforming of the hard sections. I figgered if it didn't work out I could install them in my CJ-7.


      I did have to modify length of the rod on the master so I used a rod end.



      The master is pretty close to the brake booster. Had to mount it right side up so I'm going to make some sort of heat shield for the accumulator.


      Slave mounted to the rear motor mount. I used a Chevy clutch fork so I had to make a threaded actuating rod.





      Been working on the firewall sound barrier. I hesitate to call it soundproofing with a 70's era Diesel. Pics coming.
      Last edited by SJTD; 11-29-2019, 10:00 PM.
      Sic friatur crustulum

      '84 GW with Nissan SD33T, early Chev NV4500, 300, narrowed Ford reverse 44, narrowed Ford 60, SOA/reversed shackle in fornt, lowered mount/flipped shackle in rear.

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      • fsj454
        Long time member
        • Jan 02, 2015
        • 521

        #93
        Trouble free

        I did my HB Years ago with all junk yard parts . I have put 15000 trouble free miles since . I did not have to do all that work like you did but its done . I have Hydrolic clutch trouble free as well . Nice job ...
        1982 cherokee nt. 454. nv4500 .205. dana 60 f+r. twin stick.hydroboost.hydrolic clutch.rock ram.traction bar.warn 12000 winch.4 wheel disc.flip kit.soa.high steer.cross over steer.4.56 detroit locker.35 spline rear alloy axles. 37s .1990 grand wagoneer aka trusty rusty

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        • SJTD
          304 AMC
          • Apr 26, 2012
          • 1956

          #94
          Yeah, I can't do anything simple. That's one reason I'm still working on it.

          Been working on the sound proofing.

          I'm following the procedures recommended on sounddeadenershowdown.com.

          The idea is minimal use of butyl on the sheet metal, then a foam isolating layer with MLV on top of that.

          The firewall with the foam:


          The foam's about 10mm, seems like neoprene but I don't know for sure.

          Too thick for under the wiper linkage and kick panels so I'm using thin polyethylene there.

          Set a row of rivnuts just below the dash bolts and at the top of the firewall near the cowl to hold the vinyl.
          Last edited by SJTD; 11-30-2019, 01:03 PM.
          Sic friatur crustulum

          '84 GW with Nissan SD33T, early Chev NV4500, 300, narrowed Ford reverse 44, narrowed Ford 60, SOA/reversed shackle in fornt, lowered mount/flipped shackle in rear.

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          • Frank Ziebert
            327 Rambler
            • Dec 04, 2016
            • 620

            #95
            I hate reading stuff like this! These posts give me too many ideas, which cost me money, which I spend, which irratates my wife, which irratates me........
            Good work BTW.
            1970 J2000(2500) Currently undergoing frame off resto
            Stinger 2005 Jeep Unlimited, Sahara, Rubicon slightly modified

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            • SJTD
              304 AMC
              • Apr 26, 2012
              • 1956

              #96
              Finished the MLV on the firewall. What a PITA. Hope is does some good.

              Made a template:


              Trying to contour the stuff around the dash curves. Glued with PVC plumbing cement. Contact cement wouldn't glue this stuff even if roughed up first.



              Finished:




              Transmission cover and hump will get the same treatment. I think I'm ordering the carpet with the MLV only maybe not. The floor should be much easier to do with this stuff than the dash was. Gravity would be working for me.

              Kick panels will get the MLV with thinner foam. Foam on the firewall is about 3/8".
              Last edited by SJTD; 11-30-2019, 01:00 PM.
              Sic friatur crustulum

              '84 GW with Nissan SD33T, early Chev NV4500, 300, narrowed Ford reverse 44, narrowed Ford 60, SOA/reversed shackle in fornt, lowered mount/flipped shackle in rear.

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              • SOLSAKS
                304 AMC
                • Jul 25, 2016
                • 1781

                #97
                nice job.

                I am sure it will be effective.

                dave in NC
                SOLSAKS - dave
                1976 J-10 HONCHO Fleetside
                1982 J-10 Fleetside
                1988 grand wagoneer
                2004 RUBICON jeep
                Benson, NC

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                • SJTD
                  304 AMC
                  • Apr 26, 2012
                  • 1956

                  #98
                  Thanks, I hope you're right.

                  A little detail on the MLV mounting.

                  MLV floats on spacer. Big washer contains it. This way the screw has something solid to tighten against rather than squishing the MLV and foam together and maybe loosening up down the road.





                  At the top of the firewall up against the cowl are strips of ABS instead of washers to support the overhanging vinyl.


                  Done with this stuff for now. Got the AC mounted and working on the wiring harness that goes under the dash.
                  Last edited by SJTD; 11-29-2019, 09:54 PM. Reason: Moved images from PB to imgur.
                  Sic friatur crustulum

                  '84 GW with Nissan SD33T, early Chev NV4500, 300, narrowed Ford reverse 44, narrowed Ford 60, SOA/reversed shackle in fornt, lowered mount/flipped shackle in rear.

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                  • rang-a-stang
                    Administrator
                    • Oct 31, 2016
                    • 5512

                    #99
                    Awesome work! I love watching you guys with the amazing attention to detail. I wish I had the patience you guys do.
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                    • SJTD
                      304 AMC
                      • Apr 26, 2012
                      • 1956

                      At the age of 62 I decided it's time to do some growing up and in consequence I haven't gotten a lot done on the Wag. Again. Got my first real checkup since I worked on a Hot Shot crew when I was 20. The works if you know what I mean.

                      Then a colonoscopy which I slept through, fortunately. Worst part was signing in at the hospital and waiting. I didn't mind drinking the poison too much.

                      Then I got the hernia fixed. Recovery from that was unpleasant.

                      Haven't posted what I have done since I'm jumping off the Photobucket ship. Last straw was when they put new limits in effect before my paid in advance subscription expired. Went to Imgur and am having success.

                      I've converted the pics on posts after 3/19 and will continue to work back.


                      For my first new post with Imgur I'll put up this. I thinned out the harness and rewrapped it with spiral wrap. Across the upper edge of the fuse block in the picher you can see the three relay sockets I put in to take the load off the ignition switch.



                      Would you believe the factory used duct tape on the splices inside the harness? At least they were crimped and not just twisted together. Replaced with adhesive lined heat shrink.



                      More to follow.
                      Last edited by SJTD; 11-30-2019, 06:45 PM.
                      Sic friatur crustulum

                      '84 GW with Nissan SD33T, early Chev NV4500, 300, narrowed Ford reverse 44, narrowed Ford 60, SOA/reversed shackle in fornt, lowered mount/flipped shackle in rear.

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                      • Randyzzz
                        258 I6
                        • Mar 03, 2008
                        • 354

                        Growing old ain’t easy. That’s the reason I sold my J-20 project and my other Waggys- I’m concentrating on building my baby, an 81 Scrambler. I’ll buy another FSJ at some point, but spend the bucks and buy one that needs a lot less work. Until then I’ll have to live vicariously through threads like yours!
                        Randy S.
                        It's not what you Buy, it's what you Build.
                        1987 J20 SOLD
                        1966 Waggy SOLD
                        1970 Waggy SOLD
                        1982 Scrambler SOLD
                        1981 Scrambler - Current Project/Keeper

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                        • bigfatdope
                          230 Tornado
                          • Jul 19, 2018
                          • 6

                          Any updates?

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                          • SJTD
                            304 AMC
                            • Apr 26, 2012
                            • 1956

                            Have been working on it. Around redoing the kitchen from the studs out. Lotsa plumbing and electrical which I did.

                            Was a fiasco getting the cabinets. The wife convinced me to have them installed because it would take me two weeks and a pro would take two days. Plan was to make the appointment with him when the cabinets were a few weeks out.

                            So the cabinets trickled in over two months or more and the last to arrive was the sink base which was the starting point in this install. Then couldn't get him in so it took longer than it would me.

                            Overall over eight months for the job. Did get a fair amount done on the Wag working around the kitchen but I can't believe how long it's been since I posted here.


                            Anyway, I got the seats in. Bought some Lexus seats with recline and tilt. Reasons for the swap were the lack of headrests and recline with the old seats.


                            Set them up with the seats at the same height when in the middle of their travel to figger out the mounting. At this point plan was to shorten the back before reupholstery:





                            Removed the mounting brackets and made a frame to simulate the bases:



                            So I snuck this post in instead of working but I've got pics uploaded and will keep updating this. Gotta figger out how, again, to reduce the pics.
                            Last edited by SJTD; 07-01-2022, 12:38 PM.
                            Sic friatur crustulum

                            '84 GW with Nissan SD33T, early Chev NV4500, 300, narrowed Ford reverse 44, narrowed Ford 60, SOA/reversed shackle in fornt, lowered mount/flipped shackle in rear.

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                            • devildog80
                              327 Rambler
                              • Apr 13, 2022
                              • 705

                              Nice work going on, and hope you get the kitchen finished, as we want to see more of you here

                              Have an '84 GWag too, but I like the OEM seats, as more comfortable than most of these new harder ones with wings.

                              Pic sizes look ok to me.
                              '81 CJ5 Base, 258 I6, MC2100, T176 4 spd, 300 TC, D30 Front NT, 3.31, 2-Piece AMC 20 rear NT, 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift

                              '84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift

                              Rather be driving, than waiting to be modified

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                              • SJTD
                                304 AMC
                                • Apr 26, 2012
                                • 1956

                                Ouch! First cut. No turning back now.



                                Tried to follow the original angle of the base and get it as low as possible. I think it ended up with new seating surface about a half inch higher than the old at nominal adjustments.

                                Cut a piece out about an inch from the lines. The screws are holding a form in back to hammer the flange against.


                                Completed flanges for the new piece to sit against.



                                Cut an insert out of a piece of 3"x3" tubing.



                                And welded it in. Used Mig rather than TIG so nothing to see here until after grinding.
                                Last edited by SJTD; 07-01-2022, 10:06 PM.
                                Sic friatur crustulum

                                '84 GW with Nissan SD33T, early Chev NV4500, 300, narrowed Ford reverse 44, narrowed Ford 60, SOA/reversed shackle in fornt, lowered mount/flipped shackle in rear.

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