4" post mount lift done with pics

**KaiserMan** · 11-21-2005, 07:09 AM

bushing and the length appear to be teh correct size. But they are only 5 leaf spring packs front and rear. For a half ton it should be 6 and 8. I'm going to e-mail them and find out the spring rate, I hope it's up to par. Edit: I just got an e-mail from Hell Creek and they said that I will be testing the spring rate, to see how it compares to the factory springs. They didn't answer my question about what the spring rate is of their springs though. I really hope it's at least the same as OEM.

[ November 21, 2005, 04:16 PM: Message edited by: KaiserMan ]

**twisted frame** · 11-21-2005, 09:45 AM

Definitely looking forward to seeing how these springs work out on your truck. Thanks for checking these springs out for the post-mount crowd.

**Stuka** · 11-21-2005, 10:14 AM

The number of springs does not matter at all. As the spring rates can vary. Many 1/2 tons only had 2-4 leafs, it all depends ont he setup and GVWR. Most front lift springs have 4-5 springs, while the rears are generally 5 from what I have seen for FSJ's from all the different makers.

**KaiserMan** · 11-21-2005, 10:18 AM

I'm assuming that the spring rate is about equal to oem springs, but Hell Creek doesn't know what the spring rate is. weird isn't it? You would think that the company that made the springs would know what the rate is. Oh well, I'll bolt them on and see how they hold up with one ton of crap in the back.

**Stuka** · 11-21-2005, 10:30 AM

Perhaps they didnt get around to measuring it. Its not an exact science per say. You make the pack, and you think you will be close to a given rate, then you measure it, and see where you are.

Also, fewer leafs generally means they are stiffer, as the leafs are thicker. Grand wags often had 6-7 leaf front packs, as each one was very thin, for a smooth ride.

**KaiserMan** · 11-21-2005, 11:33 AM

The shims are aluminum, I think I'm going to re-use the old steel ones on my stock spring packs. Does the rear spring's arch look funny to you? Right near the shim? Sorry about the bad pics.

**Tad** · 11-21-2005, 11:45 AM

Thomas, I have had some doubts and now am real worried.
I see a spring pack that is not unifomly made.
Look at the spring that is directly up from the wedge, then look at the next one up, do you see that gap?.
(I understand and see that the spring pin bolt and wedge are forcing part of the pack straight).

Definatly ditch that POS AL wedge.

Get some pic's of the bushings.
It just does not look correct to me and I do hope I am very wrong about this.

**KaiserMan** · 11-21-2005, 12:03 PM

Yeah, I saw that gap to, the pic makes it look bigger then it is. The front springs look good, but the rears are a differant story. I guess I'll use the shims from my stock spring pack. Hell Creek said that they would send me as many springs as neccesary to get it right, maybe I'll take tehm up on that offer.

The OD on the rear spring bushing is off, because the rubber extends over the spring eye, and I can't get the actual OD measurment.

[ November 21, 2005, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: KaiserMan ]

**Tad** · 11-21-2005, 07:26 PM

Well, I'm hoping it's just the pic also and that you do not have to go through any more waiting.
If you can, please try to write down any bushing numbers and their locations, that might really help someone out someday.

**Elkchaser1973wag** · 11-21-2005, 09:21 PM

I have been follow your report Thomas as I was looking at buying a set of Hell creek springs. But I think I'll wait and see what you find out.
BJ's kit for the 73's is coming out in the next few weeks at least thats what the email said.

**talntar** · 11-21-2005, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Elkchaser1973wag:
I have been follow your report Thomas as I was looking at buying a set of Hell creek springs. But I think I'll wait and see what you find out.
BJ's kit for the 73's is coming out in the next few weeks at least thats what the email said.

these wont work for you.these are made for the j's,where BJ's are made for the wags

**billyrb** · 11-21-2005, 10:49 PM

[quote]Originally posted by talntar:

these wont work for you.these are made for the j's,where BJ's are made for the wags

Elkchaser has a Wag (not a J), so it'll work for his. And he's right, our post-mount kit was sent out for demo to a few folks a month or so back, and we had to make changes to the brakelines and ubolts. But, we got word yesterday that the new stuff fit perfectly. We are waiting for two more people to respond, then we'll release our kit. We know the springs work, and we have half a dozen sets sitting in our shop, ready to go.

**rockjeep44** · 11-21-2005, 10:59 PM

Couple things. First, I agree the AL shims are crap. Second, if the bushing sizes are off then that sucks. However, don't worry about the shape and or gaps of those springs. I've seen much much worse and that won't even come close to affecting anything once there is a little weight on them.

**Stuka** · 11-21-2005, 11:15 PM

Yeah, that gap should go away once weight is on them. I have seen penty of after market leaf packs that look similar.

4" post mount lift done with pics