Is there a part time case that will bolt into my wag that will only require minor adjustments. Not something that will require swapping axles and such?
Transfer case swap question?
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Transfer case swap question?
91 Grand Wagoneer
AMC 360 / Torqueflight 727 / NPM 229
Dana 44 front and rear
6" Rustys Offroad suspension lift
BJ's quick disconnects
BJ's PreRunner front bumper with winch plate
fenders trimmed
35x12.50x15's Maxxis Bighorn mudders
Rhino grill
http://www.tnjeeps.com/
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NP229 is a part time case. You could swap in a NP208 from another FSJ but make sure to get the rear drive shaft with it.-Jonny B.
1979 Cherokee Golden Eagle - UNDER CONSTRUCTION
7" Alcan springs, BJ's HD shackles - 35x12.5x15 BFG Mud Terrains
AMC 401 - Pro-Flo 4 EFI
NV4500/NWF BB/NP205 - Triple Stick'd
F D44 - 4.10, Eaton E-Locker
R M23 - 4.10, Detroit Locker
1979 Cherokee Chief - Parts
1979 Cherokee Chief - Parts
1979 Wagoneer - Sold
1981 Cherokee Chief - Cubed
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Well what I'm looking for is a case that I can put lockIng hubs on and get the extra drag of the front drive line taken care of while driving on the road. Is the 208 in the wags a drivers drop or passenger drop?91 Grand Wagoneer
AMC 360 / Torqueflight 727 / NPM 229
Dana 44 front and rear
6" Rustys Offroad suspension lift
BJ's quick disconnects
BJ's PreRunner front bumper with winch plate
fenders trimmed
35x12.50x15's Maxxis Bighorn mudders
Rhino grill
http://www.tnjeeps.com/
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Your 229 is considered a full time/part time tcase because it has a 2WD mode where a strictly full time like the 219 tcase won't. The part time 208 would be your easiest swap just make sure it's from a FSJ. Don't skimp cause you can find a GM 208 cheaper cause it won't work(wrong side output for your front axle). As mentioned above get the rear drive shaft too.joe
"Don't mind me. I'm just here for the alibi"
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Ok that was what I was looking for. I am getting my rear drive shaft lengthened because of my lift do I was debating the TC swap before I get them done. Thanks I'll start hunting the case now!91 Grand Wagoneer
AMC 360 / Torqueflight 727 / NPM 229
Dana 44 front and rear
6" Rustys Offroad suspension lift
BJ's quick disconnects
BJ's PreRunner front bumper with winch plate
fenders trimmed
35x12.50x15's Maxxis Bighorn mudders
Rhino grill
http://www.tnjeeps.com/
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I have Warn locking hubs on my 89. I run them unlocked unless I go trail riding. You just have to remember to lock them before switching it in to 4wd or the tc goes south.Sons Waggy - 89 GW 360/727/208, 30x9.5x15 Destination M/Ts, Warn Lock Out Hubs, Razor Grill
Tramp - 85 CJ-7 Renegade FI 258/T5/D300, D30 w/ARB Air Locker, AMC 20 w/Posi Unit, 33x12.5x15 Goodyear MT-R's, Hella E-Code lights, VIAIR OBA System, Warn 8000lb Winch
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Is this swap even nessaccery? I have heard good and bad things about the 229 case and i hear good things about the 208. is one really stronger than the other? my truck is a weekend wheeler/dd. i hear that wheeling a 229 is bad for it and i dont want to get out somewhere and have the VC blow up. i know its supposed to be in 4 low for wheeling but is that all the time or just when climbing slippery stuff or can it be in 4hi til you need 4 low. thats usually how i run mine. when i get to more difficult stuff i switch to low and then once im over i go back to hi. i can get a 208 pretty easily thanks to a member on here. i just dont want to do a pointless swap. i dont like the idea of having to get out to lock the hubs in but i will if need be. Someone fill me in please.91 Grand Wagoneer
AMC 360 / Torqueflight 727 / NPM 229
Dana 44 front and rear
6" Rustys Offroad suspension lift
BJ's quick disconnects
BJ's PreRunner front bumper with winch plate
fenders trimmed
35x12.50x15's Maxxis Bighorn mudders
Rhino grill
http://www.tnjeeps.com/
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It honestly really depends on exactly what you intend to do with your wag. If you are getting happy results with your 229 and you don't feel like dealing with hubs, why even bother with the swap? The difference in gear reduction for the low range is really not all that noticeably different, and with the 208 there is no full time/all wheel drive operation for crummy weather like we see up north. If you are just wanting to free up drag on the front end to save some fuel, save the cash and buy a moped, the mpg difference isn't even noticeable in my experience. I have had FSJ's with lockout hubs and with out, no difference. You won't really see a difference until you do something drastic, like a powertrain swap. I am going to a GM 6.2 diesel swap partially for this reason, at 22 average mpg the increase in fuel economy pays for itself shortly up here. If you are serious about running a no BS locker up front, or a spool, then the 208 starts to become practical. For the same amount of money involved in swapping the T-case, you could put it into another area of your jeep and get more bang for your buck.'75 Wagoneer, bone stock, about to be a whole garage of parts. Tear down starts 3 March, 2012,
see how long it takes to put it back together....
'91 XJ, 3 in Rough Country lift, 33's, Rattle can paint job, roof rack and cheapo off road lights. Diffs and winch next
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I may still be using a 229 in my 88 GW if it had not locked up. I picked up the 208 the year before because the 229 had made some odd sounds from time to time in 4 hi. It was it 4 hi when it broke. 229 is good for snow/ice roads in 4 hi then red rocks and high mountains in 4 lo.Flint
Ran when parked.
http://jubileejeeps.org/quadratrac
88 GW, 401/727/208, 5" lift, D44s/4.10s/locked up, 35s with a few Evil Twin & TT's Fabworks mods
76 401 Wag, 77 401 Wag, 77 401 J20
http://eviltwinfab.com http://www.ttsfabworks.com
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I think I am just over thinking things. My wife is afraid of going wheeling and I'm afraid if I take her and something bad happens or breaks we won't be going any time soon. So I am trying to take every step possible to prevent her having a bad experience. Lol. I'm looking to you guys for your experience cuz this is my first wag and my first 4x4. So when it comes to stuff like that I'm clueless as to what is good bad or Inbetween.91 Grand Wagoneer
AMC 360 / Torqueflight 727 / NPM 229
Dana 44 front and rear
6" Rustys Offroad suspension lift
BJ's quick disconnects
BJ's PreRunner front bumper with winch plate
fenders trimmed
35x12.50x15's Maxxis Bighorn mudders
Rhino grill
http://www.tnjeeps.com/
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Originally posted by jwalton23So I am trying to take every step possible to prevent her having a bad experience.Ethan Brady
1987 Grand Wagoneer, slightly longer than stock.
www.bigscaryjeep.com
Don't mess with me. I once killed a living hinge.
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Originally posted by FSJ GuyBuy a Lexus.91 Grand Wagoneer
AMC 360 / Torqueflight 727 / NPM 229
Dana 44 front and rear
6" Rustys Offroad suspension lift
BJ's quick disconnects
BJ's PreRunner front bumper with winch plate
fenders trimmed
35x12.50x15's Maxxis Bighorn mudders
Rhino grill
http://www.tnjeeps.com/
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I have swapped a 208 into mine. You do not need lock out hubs up front. I drive mine on the expressway all the time in 2wd with no lock outs. The biggest advantage is the 208 is locked front to rear in 4HI. The 229 is full-time in 4HI by using a viscous coupler. Locked 4HI is better for off road, and you don't have to worry about the viscous coupler.1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer
360/727/NP208
Hell Creek 4" Lift
BFG All-Terrain T/A KO 32x11.5x15
CS-144, Rostra 250-1223 Cruise Control, SAE 3/4"-16 Oil Filter
EFI: DynamicEFI EBL Flash ECM, HEI with ECM timing control, ECM controlled EGR and CCP, in-tank EP386 fuel pump
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Originally posted by jwalton23Lol! Where's the fun in that!Sons Waggy - 89 GW 360/727/208, 30x9.5x15 Destination M/Ts, Warn Lock Out Hubs, Razor Grill
Tramp - 85 CJ-7 Renegade FI 258/T5/D300, D30 w/ARB Air Locker, AMC 20 w/Posi Unit, 33x12.5x15 Goodyear MT-R's, Hella E-Code lights, VIAIR OBA System, Warn 8000lb Winch
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Have just swapped a 208 into my wagon, mine being an 84 has the vacuum front 44 so have a set of hubs to throw in when I get around to pinning the vacuum system. Main reason I got rid of the 229 was it was leaking real bad as the bearings were all out of round and the collar seals were leaking real bad, rebuilding it was going to cost too much compared with throwing the 208 + driveshaft I had sitting on the floor in the shed. The simplicity of the 208 is something that always gets raised on here as well, another reason that the hubs will go on the front axle.
After two weeks I can almost safely say I have a leak free SJ.ROK360
84 FSJ LTD (Aussie built in the Brisbane Jeep Factory)
'The LPG (propane) powered Canyonero'
Tow truck, Daily Driver, and adventure non-urban vehicle
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