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Old 01-25-2022, 05:30 PM
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Door swap - 1987 Jeep J10 ?

Can anyone tell me definitively what doors will swap over to a J10? Same size, vent window, door card and trim if possible?

I hear the GW doors are compatible but the cards don't match up. Maybe the J10 cards are unique, IDK. I know some had vents and some didn't.

I have worn hinge pins, a warped door card and a busted weld inside my driver door. It works but I'd like to quit having to slam the door shut.

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Old 01-25-2022, 05:46 PM
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Sometime in '79 they changed the door latches, so eariler won't be a direct swap. Have run across a lot of '79's, but none with the earlier setup
I would say that anything from '79 and later will fit and bolt up. At one point the window regulator was changed from an arm style to a nylon tape style, but don't know when. Might have to swap that, and then lock cylinder.
As to the inner trim panel, going to be pretty much depending on trim package and color. Most wagoner panels will probably be different. Best bet might be a Cherokee, but the end of those was '83. Going to be a bear to find a decent one.
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post a pic of your door panel it could potentially be repaired.

hinge pins or entire hinge(s) can be replaced
worn ones not a reason to swap entire door.
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Old 01-25-2022, 07:15 PM
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Depends on where the weld issue is at.
Once you get things sorted out, adjust the door striker (on pillar) so you don't need to slam it. Just a little bit at a time, kind of trial and error
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Old 01-25-2022, 07:30 PM
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Thanks guys. I'd really rather not replace the door. Mainly I'm worried about the broken weld; the door separates a bit when you close it. This slamming apparently led to two cracks in the steel valance just below the window. I read somewhere that this isn't too unusual.

And its not even the original door. There's some tan paint underneath. I'll post some photos.

The door card looks ok. I just bent the dang trim when it caught my pants as I was trying to get in. Bench seat, not super comfortable IMO. I straightened it out but some of the tabs are missing etc. The vinyl looks pretty good so I will probably try to peel it back and reapply to some hardboard.

There's a guy about 60 miles N of me with 2 doors for $100. They look stripped so I'm not sure if the donor door shell will accommodate my wing window.

So are you saying the J10 shares the same door shell as the Cherokee? Is that the Cherokee Chief or just Cherokee? I'm sorry, I know very little about Jeeps. I thought the J10 shared the same platform as the GW.
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Old 01-25-2022, 08:32 PM
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Different platform on the trucks. Wags and cherks are the same. Everything from the doors forward interchanges.
Sounds like the break is at the juncture of wing window and door glass. If so can form a backing plate to slip up under the outer panel and weld up the crack.
Depending on the style of clips on the interior panel, can source them through a parts house. The plastic twist in "Christmas tree" are common to a lot of domestic rigs From the late '70's to now. The bent wire ones were used on Ford and Mopar as well
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Old 01-25-2022, 09:48 PM
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post a pic of your door panel it could potentially be repaired.

hinge pins or entire hinge(s) can be replaced
worn ones not a reason to swap entire door.

Tony, is it the pins themselves or is it a bushing? I remember from several old heavy door GM cars that there's a pin and bushing setup that always goes bad.

When I bought this J10 rig 6 months ago, the wing window was rusted shut. But the wing glass wasn't seated right, and it overlapped the chrome pillar. So every time you slammed the door, the wing window got torqued. My suspicion is that's how the inner weld broke. In addition, there are two cracks on the inner door frame or valance or whatever it's called, just below the wing window, about 6" apart. I'll get photos tomorrow. I attribute these cracks to the same problem.

The wing window is fixed now. I'd just like to tighten up the door or replace it. How would you fix the two inner cracks - just weld them up too?

Now all I have to do is learn how to weld.

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just about every one of these I have seen cracks by/under wing window.
poor design and yes welding them back up is fix.

hinges can be rebuilt with pin/bushing kit or replaced with a better used set

wing window assembly can be replaced with good used one as well.
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Ok but this gets back to my original question.

Some of these Jeep models never did have a wing window. Can I use one of those doors and retrofit my J10 wing window into it? Like a 83 or earlier Cherokee for example?
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every fsj 1960's-1991 had wing windows...
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Old 01-25-2022, 11:43 PM
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Here's the actual ad, still current. Would I be able to use these shells for my truck and swap over the wing window, panel, etc?

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/p...436444504.html

My J10 driver door doesn't have the exterior trim on the CL door, and the CL door doesn't have a wing window. So I wasn't sure it would swap over.

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those are early doors probably has incorrect latches
they'll have holes in them for exterior trim

your wing window assembly would swap but I thought it was messed up?
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Old 01-25-2022, 11:54 PM
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every fsj 1960's-1991 had wing windows...

Ha, thanks, I did not know that. I thought for sure I saw one model that had a full window. Like I say, I'm new to Jeeps. I have lots of questions...
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those are early doors probably has incorrect latches
they'll have holes in them for exterior trim

your wing window assembly would swap but I thought it was messed up?

I read somewhere about the latches. Could I swap over my existing latches to this door shell? I don't want to do any surgery. If I need to fix it, I might as well fix mine.



I asked the seller to send me a photo of the door edge which I'll share, if he does that.


I already fixed the vent window.

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=190441
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the latches won't just swap, you would have to make them fit/work.
you'll have two rows of holes in door where the trim is.
the window regulator mount holes for yours will need to be drilled in correct locations.
you'll have holes from smaller side view mirror.
you'll need to prep and paint the door.
it will likely have same crack(s) under wing window?

waaaay easier & cheaper to just fix what you have.
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the latches won't just swap, you would have to make them fit/work.
you'll have two rows of holes in door where the trim is.
the window regulator mount holes for yours will need to be drilled in correct locations.
you'll have holes from smaller side view mirror.
you'll need to prep and paint the door.
it will likely have same crack(s) under wing window?

waaaay easier & cheaper to just fix what you have.


Thanks Tony, that's exactly what I needed to know.

I've been trying to post photos but I keep getting error messages. If you take a look at my Introduction you'll see some photos of the interior.

Appreciate everyone's advice.
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Yeah, posting pictures is the second worst part of this forum. Second only to the "apostrophe bug". the apostrope bug is sometimes when posting (especially from apple products) it will cut everything off after the first apostrophe. There are few things in this world more than that.

Here are two how-tos.
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=185569
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=170876

Some other door information nuggets:
Like babywag mentioned, 79 is the change over year:
1) vent window style in the earlier doors is different. They will fit and work but the hinge and knob style look different
2) 78 and earlier have thicker window glass. I have a 78 window in my 79 drivers door and it is kind of a pain to roll up and down in my new window felts. Again, they will work but just keep that in mind.
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Old 01-27-2022, 11:19 AM
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Thanks rang. I decided not to buy that door. I'll fix mine when I get around to it.

Re the photos. I didn't use a hosting site yesterday when I got error messages. I had tried instead to upload a 150kb 600x800 photo from my PC, but the error message said I was 140kb over the limit, or something like that. So obviously a local upload wasn't going to work.

Does this mean I MUST use a hosting site? Which is fine. I can do that.
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Yes! To post pics use hosting site and link to image.
uploads of pics has never worked on site
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Here are a few photos of my door and components:

















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