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Old 01-12-2017, 10:20 PM
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Just found out my parts rig has a Holley Street Dominator intake on it. Any good? I thought I read somewhere that they have small intake runners and aren't as desirable? Would it perform better than the stock cast iron square bore intake I have on there now?

There are will eventually be pics, guys. I promise lol
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Old 01-18-2017, 07:39 AM
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Looking forward to seeing this unfold.
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Old 01-20-2017, 10:29 AM
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Looking forward to seeing this unfold.
I'm starting to sound a lot like old Sergio Marchionne. Soon! I've been busy with work and our move to California. Things will start to ramp up here either this coming week or the next week as I have the next month and a half OFF of work. Nice.
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1979 Cherokee Golden Eagle - 4" lift, 33x12.5x15
AMC 360 - 4180, TFI, Headers, Dual Exhaust
TH400 - Shift Kit, Deep Pan, Aux Cooler
D20 - Twin Stick'd
F D44 - 3.54, Open
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Old 01-24-2017, 06:36 PM
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Small progress

Well today was parts gathering day.

I rounded up my spare transfer case


And my Novak rebuild kit. Comes with all bearings, seals, gaskets, shims, and a new hardened intermediate shaft.

I also found my old transfer case parking brake.


I stripped the brake components off, boxed them up, and sent them out to Herm The Overdrive Guy down in southern Washington for an exchange of fully rebuild components.

The reason for the transfer case brake is for when I swap to rear disc brakes I will be using regular half ton front calipers with no parking brake function.

Tomorrow I will tear down the Dana case and bring the input and output shafts to a local 4x4 shop to have the bearings swapped with their press. Then the rebuild begins.
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1979 Cherokee Golden Eagle - 4" lift, 33x12.5x15
AMC 360 - 4180, TFI, Headers, Dual Exhaust
TH400 - Shift Kit, Deep Pan, Aux Cooler
D20 - Twin Stick'd
F D44 - 3.54, Open
R D44 - 3.54, Lock'd

1984 J10 - Parts
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Old 01-25-2017, 11:56 PM
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Disassembly

Got a late start today. But got right to tearing down the case.
A little background about myself. I am an ASE Certified Master Technician. I am also in the Navy as an aircraft mechanic. With that said; no matter how well I know (or think I know) how to do something, be it swap engines on my $1200 beater Jeep or swap engines on a multi-million dollar war machine, I ALWAYS read the directions. That is just what is instilled in us in the aviation community.
Novak's first instructions are to remove and disassemble the rear output shaft housing. Mine was already removed so I took it apart. I like to keep the adjusting shims together with a zip-tie and reuse them to get the pre-load "close" with the new bearings so it's a bit easier to dial in.

Next is to remove the oil pan

After that you remove the intermediate shaft retaining bolt and plate, drive the intermediate shaft out, and remove the gear set, two thrust washers, three spacers, and 48 needle bearings (Count them! Don't want any FOD damage )

Then everything comes right now, sort of. Follow the directions! (Again, I zip-tie the front output shims together.)

Remove the front cover and drive all bearing races and seals out of it and the rear output housing.

And don't lose the detent balls or springs!

Next is to clean/degrease and inspect all the parts.
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1979 Cherokee Golden Eagle - 4" lift, 33x12.5x15
AMC 360 - 4180, TFI, Headers, Dual Exhaust
TH400 - Shift Kit, Deep Pan, Aux Cooler
D20 - Twin Stick'd
F D44 - 3.54, Open
R D44 - 3.54, Lock'd

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Old 01-26-2017, 12:20 AM
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Clean/Degrease

I don't have a fancy parts washer, nor do I have regular access to one, so this is how I normally clean my dirty and greasy parts.
Start a large pot of water on the stove.

Gather all your parts into a 5 gallon bucket. Arrange the greasiest parts at the bottom of the bucket.

Add a gallon of Simple Green allowing the parts at the bottom to "pre-soak" in the concentrated degreaser.


Heat the water until just before it begins to boil then pour it into the bucket with your parts and the degreaser so it covers all of your parts.


Then snap the lid on and walk away for a couple hours.

Off to the car wash with you!

Gunk Gel works best.

Then come back home and get scrubbing!

After some time with a wire wheel everything is mostly clean.


Tomorrow is more cleaning, reassembly, and paint.
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1979 Cherokee Golden Eagle - 4" lift, 33x12.5x15
AMC 360 - 4180, TFI, Headers, Dual Exhaust
TH400 - Shift Kit, Deep Pan, Aux Cooler
D20 - Twin Stick'd
F D44 - 3.54, Open
R D44 - 3.54, Lock'd

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Old 01-26-2017, 07:55 AM
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Does the simple green and water have any negative effect on cast iron parts?
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:28 AM
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Does the simple green and water have any negative effect on cast iron parts?
Not really. You just need to scrub them while they're still warm then rinse and dry them relatively fast or they get a real light flash rust on them but that just wipes off. Also make sure you either wear long rubber gloves when scrubbing or apply lotion to your hands immediately afterwards, that stiff really dries your skin out.
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AMC 360 - 4180, TFI, Headers, Dual Exhaust
TH400 - Shift Kit, Deep Pan, Aux Cooler
D20 - Twin Stick'd
F D44 - 3.54, Open
R D44 - 3.54, Lock'd

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Old 01-26-2017, 01:52 PM
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Got it. Thanks!!!!


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Not really. You just need to scrub them while they're still warm then rinse and dry them relatively fast or they get a real light flash rust on them but that just wipes off. Also make sure you either wear long rubber gloves when scrubbing or apply lotion to your hands immediately afterwards, that stiff really dries your skin out.
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Old 01-27-2017, 05:20 PM
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Also make sure you either wear long rubber gloves when scrubbing or apply lotion to your hands immediately afterwards, that stiff really dries your skin out.

such a delicate flower....
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Old 01-27-2017, 05:26 PM
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such a delicate flower....
LOL
But being elbow deep in petroleum, glyocol, and harsh solvents every day for the better part of almost 15 years has permanently damaged the skin on my hands. Been trying to take a little better care of myself lately with my joints, back, and hearing going now, too. Doc wasn't happy with me at my last annual check up.
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AMC 360 - 4180, TFI, Headers, Dual Exhaust
TH400 - Shift Kit, Deep Pan, Aux Cooler
D20 - Twin Stick'd
F D44 - 3.54, Open
R D44 - 3.54, Lock'd

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Old 01-27-2017, 06:34 PM
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same here,one dip in the parts washer these days and my hands are red and raw. never used to bother me.
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Old 01-27-2017, 07:42 PM
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Getting old sucks!
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Old 01-28-2017, 12:03 AM
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Same here. We recently got a new formula for JP5 and the old stuff never used to bother me but this new stuff burns me pretty bad. I used to have skin like leather. Now it's more like 30 year old Grand Wagoneer leather. All dried up and cracked. I guess it makes sense as I'm the same age as some of the Grand Wags.
I use this stuff and it works really well.

One of my old salty Chiefs got me onto it. Said he was just like me back in his day but all the chemicals just destroyed his skin over time.
This is the color I'll be using for the case. Plain old Ford Grey. The covers will be plain gloss black.

And this is as far as I got yesterday. I had some other things I had to take care of with selling our house. I got the front output assembly assembled and the end play all within spec.


I have my assembly lube in the freezer right now to get extra tacky so I can assemble the intermediate assembly and all of its needle bearings tomorrow.
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1979 Cherokee Golden Eagle - 4" lift, 33x12.5x15
AMC 360 - 4180, TFI, Headers, Dual Exhaust
TH400 - Shift Kit, Deep Pan, Aux Cooler
D20 - Twin Stick'd
F D44 - 3.54, Open
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Old 01-29-2017, 07:49 AM
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Yesterday I got the new intermediate shaft, all 48 new needle bearings, and intermediate gear set installed with the new thrust washers.

Then I got the rear output end play set up with .002" of end play. Getting that done without any sort of bench vise was a challenge, let me tell ya.

Hopefully my output shaft e-brake come back from Herm this week so I can get it painted up and installed.

More progress today.
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AMC 360 - 4180, TFI, Headers, Dual Exhaust
TH400 - Shift Kit, Deep Pan, Aux Cooler
D20 - Twin Stick'd
F D44 - 3.54, Open
R D44 - 3.54, Lock'd

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im surprised the "rust free arizona" cherokee is still together.
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hey jon,throw a 5500 rpm gov. in the tranny too. that will really wake that thing up.
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Old 01-29-2017, 01:24 PM
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im surprised the "rust free arizona" cherokee is still together.
Oh yea! It has literally been everywhere with me and I've probably put close to 100,000 miles on it since I bought it from you a smidgen over 9 years ago! It's been driven coast to coast and my daily driver on and off for the majority of the time I've owned it. It was even in Kelly and I's wedding! It's definitely had a hard life but I'm hoping with some upcoming shore duty, and a little extra cash I saved up from this last deployment, it should get a lot of attention that it needs/deserves.
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hey jon,throw a 5500 rpm gov. in the tranny too. that will really wake that thing up.
It's got a B&M or Transgo (I forget) kit in it now. I remember changing something with the governor but can't remember what. That was probably 8 years ago or so.
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AMC 360 - 4180, TFI, Headers, Dual Exhaust
TH400 - Shift Kit, Deep Pan, Aux Cooler
D20 - Twin Stick'd
F D44 - 3.54, Open
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:44 AM
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Last night I got the case strung up, wiped down, taped up, and painted.


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1979 Cherokee Golden Eagle - 4" lift, 33x12.5x15
AMC 360 - 4180, TFI, Headers, Dual Exhaust
TH400 - Shift Kit, Deep Pan, Aux Cooler
D20 - Twin Stick'd
F D44 - 3.54, Open
R D44 - 3.54, Lock'd

1984 J10 - Parts
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Herm's rebuilt e-brake assembly made it today. Nice work this guy does. You send him your old unit and a check for $75 plus $16 shipping and he sends you back a unit that he already has done up from his stash. Real quick turnaround and for a decent enough price. He replaces all the springs/hardware, re-lines the shoes, machines the drum, then he re-archs the shoes and adjusts them so the have 100% shoe/drum contact when applied. Everything is painted up real nice, lubed, and ready for install.







I really need to get my work bench cleared off so I can get this thing off my cherry picker and back on a stable work surface
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AMC 360 - 4180, TFI, Headers, Dual Exhaust
TH400 - Shift Kit, Deep Pan, Aux Cooler
D20 - Twin Stick'd
F D44 - 3.54, Open
R D44 - 3.54, Lock'd

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