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Old 06-14-2019, 02:24 PM
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Any updates? I am dying to see that thing all finished and cruising!!!
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Old 06-17-2019, 06:16 PM
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Unfortunately, no.

It went from the shop to my garage, parked (on carpet..my wife thought that was funny) and covered with microfiber blankets and a good car cover. It has been sitting/waiting ever since.

I am working 7hrs away from home, and traveling back/forth to CA about every other week. It has been a pretty hectic 4-5months! Life happens, Jeeps wait..

It has been quietly waiting for me to get back to it. I really wanted to take it to ECI this year, but I am not even going to make it.

I spend a lot of time dreaming about progress...if that counts. I will get ‘er done, just gotta find the time.
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Old 06-17-2019, 06:55 PM
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Copy that. Life happens for sure!
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Old 03-23-2022, 07:48 PM
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Getting Back At It..

restarting this thread now that I am working on seats and stuff..

I have had a set of 09 GC Overland seats sitting in back of my unfinished GW interior since before all the body and paint was done.
I can say that they will fit as far as space is concerned, but brackets are tricky, especially on the passenger side due to the floorboards. I tried to mock some up and failed a couple years ago. But I know folks on here have successfully created brackets that provide a level mounting surface for all kinds of seats. I just couldn't seem to get them exactly right.

I took a chance and ordered a set of Corbeau brackets. They list for 79-87, but the mounting points didn't changed from 87 to 91. Testing the 09 GC seats to the brackets, the mounting sliders on seats are just a little wider. I removed the sliders that came on the brackets and am fabbing steel plates and spacers to bolt the seats to the brackets. The brackets give me a nice flat plane to work with.

I am using a 2" wide steel plate and a few washers for spacers to get the seats on the brackets. Drill some new holes in the bracket surface for the bolts, and should be good. There are a couple of little things that are a little below the plane of the sliders.

What I ordered: https://corbeau.com/jeep-grand-wagoneer ... -brackets/
I got a slightly better price and free shipping through Morris4x4

I believe these are the same, but wasn't familiar with Wedge and w/ sliders, they are WAY more expensive, so went with Corbeau:
https://wedgebrackets.com/jeep-grand-wa ... ckets.html

Of course, without the sliders, they are a little cheaper and I am not planning to use the manual sliders anyway..
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95YJ, STaK 300, D44's, SOA, ARB's, 4.56s, Bilsteins, 35" KM2's
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Old 03-23-2022, 07:49 PM
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https://imgbox.com/rcelBc2W

https://imgbox.com/01mU8Ky7

These show the brackets against the seat bottom (original Grand Cherokee base removed)
I removed the manual sliders that came on the brackets.
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Old 03-23-2022, 07:49 PM
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Finally tested the passenger bracket in the GW and the floor mount holes line up with the original holes.
Maybe these photos show what I meant by giving you a flat plane to mount different seats.

https://imgbox.com/HhMOYpEz
https://imgbox.com/EozbeM07

For the Grand Cherokee seats, the mounting holes are 15 3/8 inches apart. These brackets are about 1" narrower than the outsides of the seat mounting rails. So I took a 2" wide piece of flat steel and drilled holes aligned with the seat holes.
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http://imgbox.com/g/rNuIasKYrS
95YJ, STaK 300, D44's, SOA, ARB's, 4.56s, Bilsteins, 35" KM2's
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Old 03-23-2022, 07:50 PM
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I am using grade 8 metric bolts/nuts because the hardware store didn't have enough of the standard bolts. I used 3 washers between the seat bottom and the plates to get space for the stuff that is a little below the seat rails and to give room for the tops of the bolts that will go from plate to the Corbeau brackets (set on the bars for reference). I will center the brackets on the bars. (I will use lock washers when final assembly)

https://imgbox.com/E6w4p6iY

https://imgbox.com/NH9uyqKS

https://imgbox.com/KgxBLO7A
(Not sure why the bracket is narrower on one side)

https://imgbox.com/yBBst8xY

I used 12mm x 25mm bolts for seat-to-flat plates. I am using 10mm x 25mm bolts to mount plates to brackets, 3 down each side.
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http://imgbox.com/g/rNuIasKYrS
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Old 03-23-2022, 07:51 PM
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A small thing, I know… but after all these years, I will finally have the GC seats in my rig! I should have ordered these brackets years ago..

Not sure pics came through, but the short leg on passenger side front on the trans tunnel is the one I am most concerned about. Not much clearance there.







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http://imgbox.com/g/rNuIasKYrS
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Old 03-24-2022, 03:09 PM
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All those awesome seat rail pics and none of the seats themselves? :'(
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Old 03-24-2022, 07:27 PM
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I think I know why folks tend toward simpler seats from slightly older rigs, or manual seats..

My seats are from an ‘09 Overland GC. Top of the line..of course. 8v)

Well, the Overland came with Driver and passenger seat memory, mirror memory, heated seats front and rear…and even the freakin pedals adjusted based on the seat position. Some of you already know where this goes: CANBus

The memory module for everything is integrated into the drivers seat harness. The heated function module (apparently more than just seats?) is in the passenger seat harness.

I couldn’t find 09 diagrams but did find 05 schematics and figured at least the wire color code would be same..Nope!

I also assumed I could hook the CANBus + to 12V+ and the - to ground and it would be good to go.. Nope!
(You electronics folks are probably getting as big a kick out of this as my MSEE son did over the phone)

So, I got this..I will strip the harness and just wire the motors w/o all that other crap.. but that requires a different controller from a lower end GC of same year because the current one is only feeding thru the memory module where the simpler one actually runs 12v to the motors through the switch (at least I believe it does..we will see).

So back to the junk yard to find that controller.

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95YJ, STaK 300, D44's, SOA, ARB's, 4.56s, Bilsteins, 35" KM2's
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77 J-10, 360/T-18/D20, SOLD

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Old 03-24-2022, 07:29 PM
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Quote:
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All those awesome seat rail pics and none of the seats themselves? :'(




Ha, I am so focused on function, I didn't even think of that! I will get one. they are currently sitting in the living room..
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http://imgbox.com/g/rNuIasKYrS
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Old 03-26-2022, 05:18 PM
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Dumbed the seat wiring down and have full mechanical function. I will have to get an aftermarket switches, relays, etc. for the seat heaters.




The “extras”:



Here’s a shot of the seats, minus headrests. They will eventually get recovered when I do interior, but will do well as is for now. Airbags are still in there but wires removed. I can’t think of an event that would cause them to deploy. May remove when it’s upholstery time.




I am playing around with the idea of putting GC rear seat foam in the stock rear seat frame to tie the seats together. It is probably easier to just have a upholstery shop modify rear seat foam and cover design when they do all the seats, etc. Someday, right?

Now that I am crawling around the GW again, I am back to figuring out how to add a roll bar that doesn’t take up too much interior space and allows for headliner, etc. Not looking to do a cage for King of Hammers, just something to prevent it from folding at the shoulder in a roll-over. No way am I cutting the dash..
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http://imgbox.com/g/rNuIasKYrS
95YJ, STaK 300, D44's, SOA, ARB's, 4.56s, Bilsteins, 35" KM2's
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Seats are installed!
I will worn that the driver seat Corbeau bracket required a little modification on my 88 floorboard. The inside front leg is too long. It measures the same as the outside front leg (~3 5/8”). On my rig (pretty sure same at least 86-91), that leg needs to be 2 1/4” high.

I was able to apply a little heat and a brass hammer to straighten the bend in that leg and then a large vise, more heat, and brass hammer to bend at proper length.

Assessment: the seats sit pretty tall. Sitting in driver seat with it as low as I can get it, my head is about 1.5” from the roof support that runs across over the front seats (no headliner yet..).

I could find a method to lower the driver seat by cutting down the bracket legs, but would have to use that brass hammer to create clearance right where the original transfer case shifter came through the floorboard.

The passenger seat is not as adjustable as the drivers, and can’t lower using seat adjustment. I can’t really see a way to lower the passenger seat using this bracket and the original seat mount holes in the floor.

The brackets are tight against the trans tunnel. Some hammer work there could provide a little relief, but not much with t-case under there.

All in all, the seats function and are secure in the rig. I may have to play around a bit to try to get the seats down an inch is so.






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This is the measure of the front inner leg.


Not much clearance for the front inner passenger mount up on the trans tunnel. Cut the stud to just clear the nut.


Passenger side seat viewed from driver side to show the seat alignment.


Passenger seat…a little tall
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http://imgbox.com/g/rNuIasKYrS
95YJ, STaK 300, D44's, SOA, ARB's, 4.56s, Bilsteins, 35" KM2's
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AWESOME !!

We may have to talk about that wiring .. I have some RAM seats to put in.
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Your floorboard on driver side will be more flat. Not sure about passenger side.


From roaming junkyards, I am pretty sure the Chrysler 300 seats are the same as the GC and Commander seats. Not sure about the truck seats. I looked at the 300 to see if the base was lower.
Honesty, the seats aren't as much an issue as having to get above the bump outs on the trans tunnel. I am going to see wat room there is under the floorboard to hammer them in to get the ability to lower them.
Having these brackets gives me something to work from.
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http://imgbox.com/g/rNuIasKYrS
95YJ, STaK 300, D44's, SOA, ARB's, 4.56s, Bilsteins, 35" KM2's
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those seats are perfect !
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