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Old 06-15-2017, 08:00 AM
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It's a shame the people in this country on the far left (95% of all Democrats) have made the government their God. They do not think, eat, , buy a car, watch TV, make everyday purchases ect. without thinking about what their "God" has told them to do. Common core, MTV, the Disney channel, all push, non-stop this global dumbing down of our population and for the most part it's been a huge success!
Idiots graduating from college who are so stupid it's scary. Have you seen interviews people like Waters have done with these poor, hapless fools? Terrifying to say the least. Trump is trying to save this once great country, now a sinking ship, you clowns should at least give him a chance! This Russian made up crap is just a show to hide the Kenyans HUGE diabolical plot to destroy America. Day by day the truth is coming out, but it's going to take a long time to drain the swamp of the filth Oswammy and Clinton have embedded it with.
God speed president Trump, lets hope the next 7 1/2 years get America back on track!
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Old 06-15-2017, 12:26 PM
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It's just wrong that the focus by our elected officials is not where it should be, namely to protect us from outside interference rather than create the illusion that republicans were working with Russians to win the election.

hy∑per∑bo∑le - synonyms: exaggeration, overstatement, magnification

Devoid of any argument means you're not really saying anything, you're just appealing to bluster and indignation. Akin to Trump saying over an over again "this is just a witch hunt" rather than actually defending his actions.

Since the time Trump was accused of obstruction of justice, the arguments y'all have advanced in his defense have been:

1. Comey's not credible
2. But Hillary [this is the number 1 argument by far]
3. But Loretta Lynch
4. Dems are just sore losers
5. There's no way to know Trump's intent [of course there are ways to determine intent, which is why we have the charge of murder]
6. Comey said no collusion [investigation is ongoing, also irrelevant to question of obstruction]
7. Comey said Trump wasn't under investigation himself [irrelevant, he probably is now for obstruction]
8. This is just like that "nutty" birther movement [which was nutty and which Trump largely started himself]
9. Comey is a crybaby, jealous of Trump because of his money
10. It's just liberals playing politics
11. There's nothing there cause investigation has gone on 6 months already [whitewater investigation took over 4 years]
12. The investigation's focus is "just wrong" cause it appears focused on Trump campaign [this is a blanket judgement that it shouldn't be focused on Trump campaign, also we don't know the full scope of the investigation]

I'm gonna give y'all a hint that #1 is the best argument, which is weak because:

1. Comey made contemporaneous memos of his conversations with Trump and shared them with others at the time [He would have had to be plotting this conspiracy from the get-go and involving others in it.]
2. Contemporaneous notes created by FBI agents are frequently relied upon "in court as credible evidence of conversations"
3. In terms of motive for lying, Trump clearly has much bigger/clearer motives to lie
4. Comey is an experienced public servant and was head of the FBI
5. Trump's relationship with the truth is widely known to be loose [http://www.politifact.com/personalit...g/pants-fire/]

I'm certain y'all will have ways to explain those away.

I think I'm done with this here, but y'all continue with the Trump pep rally all ya want.
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Old 06-15-2017, 03:27 PM
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How bout.

I don't care if he colluded or not, and that I think collusion with the Russians is a great idea and I'd be dissapointed if they didn't.

We colluded with the Russians during the second war, which had to be done to defeat the common enemy and should and is bieng done now.

Also I'm glad Trump sent ambassador Rodman to NK.

Whatever it takes to clean up previous failures from established US regimes who've bought their way into the White House and keep us safe. I'm all for.

Keep up all the good work!

And pay attention to the obstructionists when mid-terms come along. Vote em out! Pelosi is already trying to distance herself by changing her tune because the writing is on the wall that those who foolishly oppose will bear the weight of the voting constituency and lose once again.
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Old 06-15-2017, 03:42 PM
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Also have to ask.

How many countries, and which ones gave money for Clintons foundation to keep all her crony staffers employed between elections that they accepted?

And Trump?

How does a public servant who claimed to be flat assed broke after the White House become so rich as a senator and sec of state?

Six digit sums for an hour or two speech? Then favors done and permits issued following payments made to the foundation that rebuilds and provides charity work with family owned, and crony ran business management.....
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Old 06-15-2017, 11:28 PM
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1. Comey made contemporaneous memos of his conversations with Trump and shared them with others at the time [He would have had to be plotting this conspiracy from the get-go and involving others in it.]
2. Contemporaneous notes created by FBI agents are frequently relied upon "in court as credible evidence of conversations"
3. In terms of motive for lying, Trump clearly has much bigger/clearer motives to lie
4. Comey is an experienced public servant and was head of the FBI
5. Trump's relationship with the truth is widely known to be loose [http://www.politifact.com/personalit...g/pants-fire/]

I'm certain y'all will have ways to explain those away.

I think I'm done with this here, but y'all continue with the Trump pep rally all ya want.

Once Comey admitted he had engineered leaks to the press including the existence of memos, his credibility and that of his memos went out the window. There is no reason to believe that Comeys memos aren't simply a continuation of his engineering efforts to get back at Trump. Mueller has a tough job which is even tougher due to his relationship with Comey. In most situations Mueller would be considered conflicted from anything to do with Comey

This has been a great discussion, not only on this forum but anywhere you can have a discussion about it. It has been great to see how different people can see things in a different light and it has been great to see how any bit of information whether true or false, finds its way into the aurgument. I get that many personally hate Trump. He's an egotistical businessman. He's not a politician and I really think he doesn't care if he is re elected. My position all along is let's see where the true facts take this. My amusement comes from how many Trump haters feel that they have to convince me that he could only have been elected with Russian help and cannot believe that enough people in the US may have actually decided that the country was heading in a direction that they did not feel right. My way or the highway should be the new slogan for the USA.
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Old 06-16-2017, 05:58 AM
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The democrats have adopted the old "guilty until proven innocent" stance and there will be nothing to prove innocence to them simply because they don't like trump and they got their ass handed to them in the elections. Kinda like getting pulled over and the cop tells you to prove you weren't speeding.

I'll point out again, it's not like democrats did really good in the election except for the presidential bid. They lost on all fronts. Did Russia do that?

As Obama would say.. they didn't do that, somebody else made that happen.
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:40 PM
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I'm not a betting man, but if I was, I'd rather put that $100 against this thread going another five pages without someone either A) immediately accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being "a liberal" (a word that has been overused to the point of being little more than a half-hearted attempt at an insult), or B) lapsing into another tired verse of, [i]"but Hillary!"[/I

And here it is. Not five pages later, but one page later.
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hillary has contact with russians...

hillarys problem...


Mike, I like you, but this has gone beyond tedious. We've heard this song many, many times. Change the record already!
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:44 PM
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Damn... Ristow is right... again!

Oooups... You failed to put the news media ilk into the same category with the Democrats.
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:44 PM
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If you'd read the post I was responding too you'd see why I said what I said, Aaron.

And it is not tedious, these guys think the Russians stole the election from Hillary,and that was her only problem.
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:46 PM
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I don't care if he colluded or not, and that I think collusion with the Russians is a great idea and I'd be dissapointed if they didn't.

We colluded with the Russians during the second war...
Before this goes any further, you do know that collusion is not the same as cooperation, don't you?

Look up the definition of collusion and see if you still want the leader of our country colluding with anyone, especially a powerful potential enemy.
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Old 06-16-2017, 01:21 PM
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People on the internet trying to convert other people on the internet political opinions

Everytime I click on new post and this pops up I get more and more disappointed in the Admins of this site

Part of me hopes this never Deleted so we can look back at this foolishness
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Everytime I click on new post and this pops up I get more and more disappointed in the Admins of this site

Part of me hopes this never Deleted so we can look back at this foolishness

Yep, we are going to need to start saying

"Matt ...................is right again"
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Old 06-16-2017, 01:54 PM
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these guys think the Russians stole the election from Hillary,and that was her only problem.

Really? Where did anyone say that? Everyone knew going in that Hillary had a ton of problems.
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Old 06-16-2017, 01:56 PM
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And here it is. Not five pages later, but one page later.

I didn't want to point it out, but I think the "but Hillary" thing actually started pages before you even posted your prediction.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:12 PM
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Go read post 476. Read it twice maybe? Lol!
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:19 PM
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Ya got me. So one guy saying it warrants you crying Hillary repeatedly.
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Old 06-16-2017, 03:38 PM
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I didn't want to point it out, but I think the "but Hillary" thing actually started pages before you even posted your prediction.
No worries. That wasn't an attempt to predict the past (a skill most of us have honed to perfection) so much as a lament that it would happen again, as it always does.

One of my least favorite aspects of American politics is that the notion of voting for a candidate you believe in inevitably degrades to a desperate bid to vote against someone you can't stand. Discussions like this are invariably reduced to "guys like you" vs "hard-working Americans like me". In other words, about as effective and impressive as a schoolyard shoving match.

This thread is overdue for closure. There are places in real life and on the internet where those inclined can marinate in their own farts and badmouth anyone who complains about the smell. This forum is not one of those places.
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