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Old 05-28-2004, 04:07 AM
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I got a set of Hummer 37"x12.5" Goodyear MT's for cheap to use as street-wheels for my Cherokee. I came across a set of 16.5"x6.75" factory steel wheels with a safety-bead to mount them on:



Despite the narrow width of the rims, they work beautifully with these tires, pinching in the sidewalls without too much pucker:



They tuck the wheels into the truck a lot better than my XML's, which reduce the attention-getting factor that I don't really need for everyday driving:



And with the safety-bead on the rim, I can even air them down for wheeling without having to switch out for my XML's.



I'll still want my XML's for dedicated trail-rides, however; they're substantially bigger than these 37's:



The project has been moving forward, however; the suspension is all set except for the shocks, the brakes need to be painted and installed, and then all that's left is the drivetrain. I was in the midst of refreshing a '73 Olds 455, but I'll be getting another 455 from a '72 Toronado from Mikel (whose M715 is going to have a different, but even more interesting, powertrain... ) which will probably be in better shape. Once that's confirmed, then it's just a matter of refreshing the tranny and setting up the drivetrain. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Old 05-28-2004, 04:21 AM
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I got a set of Hummer 37"x12.5" Goodyear MT's for cheap to use as street-wheels for my Cherokee. I came across a set of 16.5"x6.75" factory steel wheels with a safety-bead to mount them on
Righteous!

Coincidentally, what exactly constitutes "cheap" for some rims and tires like that?

Those 37s look like they will do just fine offroad
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Old 05-28-2004, 04:35 AM
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Looking good, Bob! What is the safety bead on the new rims? Is that an edge on the rim that stands up straight as opposed to a rolled kind of edge?
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Old 05-28-2004, 02:09 PM
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Cheap= $150 for tires, and getting the rims free.

Twisted, the safety-bead is a "bump" on the inside of the wheel-shell about a 1/2" in from the lip of the rim. It is supposed to prevent the inside edge of the tire from sliding inward, allowing the tire to stay in place on the rim even if it loses all air pressure.

I found out today that a safety-bead on a 16.5" rims is not foolproof; one of my tires lost air, and I can push that bead into the tire with no resistance. I think I may have ONE rim that does not have that safety-bead; if so, I'll be on the prowl for a proper replacement rim.
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Old 05-28-2004, 03:46 PM
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I would be real careful with those 16.5's It is my understanding that the 16.5 is the only american rim size *without* a safety bead. When I was looking for replacement tires for my 16.5 x6.75 rims, the *only* tire width matching them was the 16.5x950. I called BFgoodrich about the 31X10.5 for instance & they said no F'in way. ( & thats a quote !)

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Old 05-28-2004, 04:03 PM
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i was under the same impression. everybody that i talk to here in tucson about 16.5 rims with a safety bead says there is no such thing. that size wheel is the only rim that doesnt have a bead, if there were any made i would have bought them a long time ago. i was also told that if i wanted to have a safety bead that i would have to go to 15 inch rims, but there might clearence problem with the caliper.
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Old 05-28-2004, 10:21 PM
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lookin good dr bob,glad you are having good progress

your rig looks bad *** with those XMLs on it

someday im gonna have an olds or buick 455 in my rig,but it will be alittle more complicated for me since i refuse to use a slushbox
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Old 05-29-2004, 04:39 AM
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Thank you for describing the safety bead part of the rim.
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Old 05-31-2004, 12:47 PM
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MOST 16.5" rims don't use a safety-bead. In fact, AFAIK ALL aftermarket rims don't.

There are some factory steel rims that do, however. That's what I've got on my truck.

I'm going to take the tire that lost its inflation to the tire-shop tomorrow, and maybe I'll try and snap a pic of the rim w/o the tire on it so you can see the safety-bead.
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Old 06-02-2004, 04:06 AM
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OK, I don't have a picture of the 16.5" rims with the safety-bead, but there is a picture in the following thread:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18276

Seems the wheels come from a '70's Ford, made by Firestone. I've only seen them in 16.5"x6.75" size, though some report the existence of 16.5"x8.25" rims with the safety-bead as well.
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Old 06-02-2004, 06:08 AM
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Yep, they exist, just found two out back.
16.5 x 6 with a Dodge emblem stamped on it.
16.5 x 6.5 with no markings that I can find.

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Old 06-02-2004, 01:29 PM
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My 81 J20 has those mini beads on all four of its stock 16.5 x 6.75s. The angle the tire meets the rim is totally different on a 16.5, I heard it was done to carry heavy loads - mine orignally had load range E goodyear workhorse bias plys on it.
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Old 06-26-2004, 03:30 AM
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Hey Bob, I was just checking on the status of you chero, noticed the site was down a couple days ago but is back up. Looks good, the axles are sweet. I'm looking at 37x12.5x15 MTRs for my scrambler once I have enough $ saved up. Have you decided on a motor yet?
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Old 06-26-2004, 02:05 PM
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Hey, thanks Leland! For some reason my server deleted my entire Cherokee directory, but I uploaded it all back up.

As for a motor, I have a choice between two 455's; a '72 Toro motor with 70k on it, or a '73 big-car motor that I had begun to tear down for a bearing and gasket job. I'll be starting with the Toro motor and redoing the '73 motor if I need to.

What's up with your Cherokee; did you sell it yet?
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Old 06-27-2004, 12:24 PM
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I'm keeping the cherokee. I realized it's a buyers market and don't want to sell as low as some of the other nice WTs I have seen go fairly cheap on here. I start a new job in Waltham tomorrow and it's my DD, just need to get the AC going [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I'll be checking on your progress, that chero looks awesome!
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Old 06-29-2004, 05:11 AM
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I'm going to start dedicating a few hours every night to the project; it's moving too slowly for my tastes.

And Leland, I can't blame you for holding on to that sweet rig you've got; with all the work you've put into it, you should be the one to enjoy it. Plus I want to see someone put that rear tank to use! [img]smile.gif[/img]

And back on the original topic, here's another link with info for the 16.5" rims with safety beads:

http://www.4x4spot.com/16_5_rims_and_safety_beads.htm
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Old 06-29-2004, 03:24 PM
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I just dismounted some 16.5's today at work and sure enough, there were safety beads on them there rims [img]smile.gif[/img] So, if seeing is believing, I guess I believe
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Old 06-30-2004, 08:44 AM
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Bob, any chance you'd be willing to share the information concerning where you picked up those tires for such a good price? What about the XMLs seems I remember you got a pretty good deal on them as well. Any info you feel like sharing would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 07-01-2004, 02:41 PM
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Those tires actually came from Maine.

Trick is to waste a lot of time on the NEOW board, and be ready with cash-in-hand when a good deal pops up.

I don't have any secret military-surplus supplier who is feeding me all the good stuff under the table or anything like that.
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Old 07-02-2004, 01:21 PM
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Figures I'm back in Georgia at the moment for another month. They definitely do have some good deals pop up on that board on occasion. I guess I'll just keep a lookout as soon as I get back up in the frozen North from the sweltering South. Man, I've got this backwards!

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