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Old 08-09-2013, 08:55 AM
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Not to speak for MDill as I'm sure he can do that but I think he is talking about how the belts don't wrap very far around the alternator pully if you have AC.

With AC you have to wrap from the Crank, Alt, AC, Water Pump. This means the actual ammount of Alt pully that is in contact with the belt is pretty small due to it having to go up the block and drive the AC instead of wrapping around the pully and going straight back to the WP. Even when the AC isn't being driven just the fact that it is there means there is less contact patch for the belt to drive the Alt.

If you removed the AC as you say then you have a better situation for your belts to live in. Personally since I still have my AC and have to tension my Alt from the bottom and can't get a good angle on it, I have to tighten it as much as I can, then make it a little tighter, then pull a muscle getting it a little tighter before I snug it down.
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Old 08-09-2013, 01:40 PM
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What he said, The belt contact area on the alt pulley, is marginal with AC, which makes having good belts with proper tension a must with the big alt.


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Not to speak for MDill as I'm sure he can do that but I think he is talking about how the belts don't wrap very far around the alternator pully if you have AC.

With AC you have to wrap from the Crank, Alt, AC, Water Pump. This means the actual ammount of Alt pully that is in contact with the belt is pretty small due to it having to go up the block and drive the AC instead of wrapping around the pully and going straight back to the WP. Even when the AC isn't being driven just the fact that it is there means there is less contact patch for the belt to drive the Alt.

If you removed the AC as you say then you have a better situation for your belts to live in. Personally since I still have my AC and have to tension my Alt from the bottom and can't get a good angle on it, I have to tighten it as much as I can, then make it a little tighter, then pull a muscle getting it a little tighter before I snug it down.
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Old 08-09-2013, 05:15 PM
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Old 08-09-2013, 05:53 PM
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Old 08-10-2013, 10:07 AM
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That's what mine came with

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alternator-Pulley-2-Groove-Delco-Motorcraft-3-374-OD/350574145334?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparm s=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D1 6683%26meid%3D472775096246197587%26pid%3D100005%26 prg%3D7845%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D231027749743% 26



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alternator-Pulley-2-Groove-Delco-Motorcraft-3-374-OD/231027749743?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparm s=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D1 6683%26meid%3D472801736784068090%26pid%3D100005%26 prg%3D7845%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D350574145334% 26
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Old 08-10-2013, 10:34 AM
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What he said, The belt contact area on the alt pulley, is marginal with AC, which makes having good belts with proper tension a must with the big alt.

OHHH ok. Yes your right the belts is really not in contact with that pulley very long.


Those look great, is that the biggest you would go?

-Both of those are for diesel engines and have an inner diameter of .669". Would that even fit?
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Old 08-10-2013, 03:14 PM
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At the bottom there is a phone number call him he will hook you up the first one is exactly what I have they have hundreds of applications.

Notice Title says GM applications all diesel in GM land have 144's.
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Old 08-10-2013, 11:48 PM
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At the bottom there is a phone number call him he will hook you up the first one is exactly what I have they have hundreds of applications.

Notice Title says GM applications all diesel in GM land have 144's.

OK thanks for the info I didnt know that.
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Old 08-12-2013, 04:19 PM
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I've never had any luck mixing and matching old belts in dual setups. Never works for me. I go to the parts store and have them pull every Gates of whatever application I need and go through them all to find the two that match closest and run them. Works fine so far but I haven't installed my 144 yet. Reckon I might step up to a larger pulley while I'm at it.

BTW usually the belt length is in the part number for Gates belts. You can usually ask for a 52blahblah or 53blahblah to get longer ones.
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Old 08-12-2013, 07:48 PM
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I've never had any luck mixing and matching old belts in dual setups. Never works for me. I go to the parts store and have them pull every Gates of whatever application I need and go through them all to find the two that match closest and run them. Works fine so far but I haven't installed my 144 yet. Reckon I might step up to a larger pulley while I'm at it.

BTW usually the belt length is in the part number for Gates belts. You can usually ask for a 52blahblah or 53blahblah to get longer ones.

good to know. Actually the only reason im running the older napa belts is because advance only had one replacement in stock (i did buy it). There showing another one in stock now, so I just may go grab that too. There drive rite brand belts made in the usa by DAYCO, so who knows they could be good.

ALSO just got a new bracket from mdill in this afternoon!!!! It will go on tomorrow and will see what that does for me. Just in time before I go back to school too!

Definitely think a new pulley would help though.
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Old 08-31-2013, 04:42 PM
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Got back from school last night and this morning I installed the bracket from Mike. Perfect fit and now runs perfect. Do yourself a favor and order one before your install and save yourself the
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SOON: 4350 and cast iron intake

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-2000 XJ cherokee on Tons
-1953 REO M35A2 6x6
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Old 08-31-2013, 08:07 PM
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Wow

Great to hear Mikes bracket rocks. I've always done it backwards put the bracket on first.
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