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Old 08-14-2010, 08:58 PM
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Deep Transmission Pan

Anyone using an aftermarket deep aluminum pan on their TF? I'd like to, but when I was changing the motor oil this evening in the GW it looked as though access to the pan bolts would be severely restricted by the trans cross member and a deep pan.

Any thoughts?

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Old 08-14-2010, 09:40 PM
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Most deep pans will hit the crossmember.
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:56 PM
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I have a TCI deep pan and it clears the cross member. Tricky to get a few bolts in though.
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Old 08-15-2010, 12:10 AM
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I have a brand new one in the dining room. Too pretty to install.
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Old 08-15-2010, 06:18 AM
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Based on my calibrated eyeball and pictures online, I thought a +2 qt pan (like the TCI) would fit. The +3 and +4 qt pans look like they just hang down too low and would require moving/modifying the x-member, and likely not the best for off-road.

@dan1488 - How tricky are the bolts. Do you have to unbolt the trans mount and jack the transmission, or does it just require regular tools and some swearing?

@HOOT - These wonderful parts only do good things after you install them. Simply possessing them does not make an FSJ any more awesome. Did you get the TCI also?

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Old 08-15-2010, 10:54 AM
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I put a 2 quart Hughes pan on my '89 and had to drill one extra hole in the crossmember to get one of the allen bolts on. Other than that with long allen wrenches- T handle style, you can reach all the others through the factory drilled holes . Sorry for the crappy cell phone pics but this is what the clearance looks like. I did chamfer or round off the cooling ridges close to the crossmember which helped with clearance for the installation. Otherwise once on there was plenty of room. I did not do anything else to get this pan on- too lazy to jack up the tranny or drop the crossmember. No problems and it cured my leak.

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Old 08-15-2010, 12:03 PM
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@ MarkJ - Thanks for the detail and the pics. That's just what I wanted to know. I also have a leak, so I figured I could get a few benefits from a good aftermarket aluminum pan. The socket head cap screws would make clearance a little less of an issue.
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Old 08-15-2010, 06:46 PM
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It bolts right up no jacking with the transmission, just some swearing with one or two bolts.
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Old 08-16-2010, 03:15 AM
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@HOOT - These wonderful parts only do good things after you install them. Simply possessing them does not make an FSJ any more awesome. Did you get the TCI also?

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WHAAA Maybe I got extra MPGs was because I put my BJs Off-Road stickers ON my !
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WHAAA Maybe I got extra MPGs was because I put my BJs Off-Road stickers ON my !

Those stickers do that I hear .... maybe I should get two
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Old 08-16-2010, 04:00 AM
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Don't remember what brand now. It came from Bulltear. Has the cooling tubes and stuff. At least a 4 qt. pan. this Jeep is a street Jeep for the most part and hanging low is not a problem. The Thorley Tri Y's hang lower than the pan will. I never installed it because the truck got wrecked right after I got it. The tranny wasn't acting right before the wreck either. I didn't want it to go through an install just to be taken back out and reinstalled so it went to the goodie pile. Soon the whole set up is going into a new frame and I'll install it then along with the 8qt oil pan and a truck load of other stuff.
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:34 PM
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WHAAA Maybe I got extra MPGs was because I put my BJs Off-Road stickers ON my !

I got one of those stickers last week. Do ya' think it would help me pass emissions, too, or do the stickers just enable faster speediness and more Em Pee Gees?
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Old 08-17-2010, 12:51 AM
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From what I recall there was some fine print on the back of the stickers that mentioned any actual increase on MPG would vary according to your latitude and the earth's axis in relation to the seasonal equinox.



As far as smog goes, that kinda depends on how long your pitbull's chain is inside your rig.
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Old 08-17-2010, 09:27 PM
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Mopar makes a deep stamped metal tranny pan with a drain plug for the 727.

Part number is P3690730-AB Cover 55-210-000

I bought one for $71.65 CAN. If you get a nagging tranny leak afterward, check the dipstick tube o-ring...don't ask me how i know. I dropped the cross member to install the pan.

http://www.monicattichrysler.com/com...?idProduct=191


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Old 10-20-2010, 07:25 PM
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I ended up going with the cheapest aluminum pan I could find. The 'no logo' Summit pan shown below:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SME-1009R/

Looks just like the Trick Flow pan and has a similar part number, but costs $20 less. Seems to fit well, very similar to the pictures in Mike J's post. I may end up modifying the trans cross member or making a new one because it kind of blocks the drain plug.
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Old 10-21-2010, 06:07 PM
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@ MarkJ - I also have a leak, so I figured I could get a few benefits from a good aftermarket aluminum pan.
What benefits might that be? If you're thinking cooler running trans forget it. Your trans/pan only holds maybe 1/2 of the total fulid system. The converter holds the other 1/2 so adding a qt or two of capacity isn't zip in real world benefits. Just more lower hanging stuff under your rig. Only plus I see is the drain plug on the aftermarket pans allowing you to drain the pan before pulling it to change the filter so's less messy.
IMO save your money for something that actually does your rig some good.
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What benefits might that be? If you're thinking cooler running trans forget it. Your trans/pan only holds maybe 1/2 of the total fulid system. The converter holds the other 1/2 so adding a qt or two of capacity isn't zip in real world benefits. Just more lower hanging stuff under your rig. Only plus I see is the drain plug on the aftermarket pans allowing you to drain the pan before pulling it to change the filter so's less messy.
IMO save your money for something that actually does your rig some good.

Well for some real world benefits, the deeper and finned aluminum pan from Hughes and couple of extra quarts of fluid made a big difference on the '92 Dodge Ram I used to own with an A518. It dropped the operating temps by 15-20 degrees and also cured the warped stamped steel leaking tranny blues.
IMO I would spend the money on one again in a heartbeat because it did my rig some good.
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I have always been a firm believer in a higher fluid capacity, extra filtration, and more cooling power. The fluids are the lifeblood of longevity in any vehicle and going that extra step has always served me right.
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Old 10-21-2010, 07:21 PM
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Addicted and Tigger4X, you two took the words right out of my fingers. The stock capacity of the 727 in the G Wagoneer is listed as ~8 quarts. Adding 2 quarts raises total capacity by 25%. The extra capacity shares the "work" seen by fluid and increases fluid residence time in the sump. Anyone who has worked with fluid power (hydraulics) knows this is a good thing --> generally cooler fluid temps, longer aggregate fluid life and longer component life. Beside, I really like having a drain plug, a non-warped/non-bent pan, and it is completely above the lower hanging transmission cross member and exhaust.
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