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Old 09-24-2019, 05:44 PM
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What do you see?

I have a little quiz for you eagle eyed FSJ people


How many 1971 parts do you see on this "1971 J2000"?


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Jeep-J...AOSw7oVdhC~ E
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Old 09-25-2019, 06:42 AM
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The VIN?
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Old 09-25-2019, 11:08 AM
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Myself I see exactly 3, the VIN and 2 badges. I will note the grill is 69 or older but everything else I see looks like 1980 to me.
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Old 09-25-2019, 11:35 AM
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VIN tag is in the wrong location.
I don't see anything that would lead me to believe it's a 1971.

LMAO...go to their site
Still has duraspark box mounted on fender.
Can see where the missing "real" VIN tag was on firewall.

Can also see remnants of original VIN door jamb sticker adhesive...above 71 tag.
By what I see definitely '79 or '80 since cab has a brow.
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Old 09-25-2019, 12:43 PM
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Is a sale like this even legal? Holy smokes!
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Old 09-25-2019, 02:19 PM
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It's got a 727 trans which makes me think it's an '80, although I'm not really up on anything made after 1973.


I see stuff like this and it makes me wonder if someone had a '71 that was junk but had a good title and stole a later one and swapped the vin tag and badges. I know some people have been known to do stuff like that so they don't have to deal with emissions but even that is far from legal. I have also seen people on Craigslist selling just a Gladiator VIN tag with a good title which is totally shady.
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Old 09-25-2019, 03:55 PM
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Is a sale like this even legal? Holy smokes!

NOPE, not even close to legal. Dealer is most likely unaware.
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Old 09-25-2019, 09:18 PM
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Hahaha! That sucks! Poor dealer's gonna get/got scammed!
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Old 09-26-2019, 10:03 AM
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Hahaha! That sucks! Poor dealer's gonna get/got scammed!
Exactly, but even worse, I'm thinking, what about someone who buys it and then tries to bring it into their state where they do a full VIN check/inspection before they allow it? I'm pretty sure they would likely get hammered if they tried to bring it into California.
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The sale comes with build receipts, service manuals, and maintenance records.

That oughtta be some interesting reading!

Somebody put a lot of time and effort, or at least money, into that rig...and they couldn't find a more fitting VIN plate? Rhino grille just looks so out of place on that truck.

So, who's gonna contact the dealer and, err-um, inform them of the truth....say just link back to this thread?
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Old 09-26-2019, 01:09 PM
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Does anybody have a picture of a 1980 VIN plate in the proper location? Would also like to see one of the dash.
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The plate would have been on the firewall(upper right corner).
In the pics you can see the paint difference from the missing plate.
Google has many images of a VIN plate.

Here is one...



I believe Jeep only started using the dash vin tag starting in 1981.

In this thread, http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=153744 you can see the proper location of the 1971 tag and a proper door jamb vin sticker.
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I'll add these...

Circled area upper right, obvious that a metal VIN plate was removed.



This picture of 71 VIN tag in incorrect location, riveted on Jeep used screws in 1971...above can clearly see adhesive remnants from a missing label.

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Old 09-26-2019, 04:24 PM
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So, who's gonna contact the dealer and, err-um, inform them of the truth....say just link back to this thread?




Someone is working on that right now.


Someone could lose a lot of money by buying this truck and I don't want to see that so authorities have been advised.
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The outfit selling it is a consignment dealer.
So the owner is either trying pull shady stuff or they are clueless and got scammed?
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I wonder if the chassis is a 71? Maybe it was a total rust bucket and he swapped the body and drivetrain from a 80? Realistically, I think he just wanted to avoid smog or something... like that.
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hard to tell from pics but it sure looks like an 80-ish frame too.
71 would have SOA up front and post mount springs.

cab is 80-ish too
bed doesn't look 71
more you look @ pics more that just isn't 71

wonder what wheelbase is...
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Old 09-26-2019, 09:52 PM
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hard to tell from pics but it sure looks like an 80-ish frame too.
71 would have SOA up front and post mount springs.

cab is 80-ish too
bed doesn't look 71
more you look @ pics more that just isn't 71

wonder what wheelbase is...


That's what I got too, Dash '80, cab later, bed later, suspension '80s, drive train 80's, frame '80's, axles '80's. I looked at this truck a lot before I posted about it here and I'm sure the place selling it doesn't only do consignments. Someone somewhere in this trucks life illegally swapped VINs and someone is going to be hurting as a result. If it is investigated and found that this was done it will be seized.



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wonder what wheelbase is...
That is a good question given that the J2500 it's pretending to be was a short bed and this one appears to be a long bed. I'm willing to bet it's 131"
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eBay ad is still up. Any updates?
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:41 PM
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eBay ad is still up. Any updates?




I don't have any.



I let the authorities know, received a phone call back with questions about it. I then sent them info with 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining the differences and where the original '79/'80 and '71 VIN plates should be and referenced this thread. I also recruited another member here who is more knowledgeable than myself to talk to them should they need more info.



I don't know if they really aren't concerned about it or are getting their ducks in a row before they do something.
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