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  • Guypatterson
    230 Tornado
    • May 29, 2015
    • 15

    12v question - Holley Sniper 2300

    I've got my new Holley Sniper 2300 99% installed on my 89 GW, and I can't find any wire to use for the 12v power. The only wire that would otherwise work goes to the ignition coil, and the installation instructions say "DO NOT connect to a 'DIRTY' source like an ignition coil!"

    I'm mulling over either 1) using a physical switch, or 2) putting a 4-pin relay in the ignition coil wire that will pull power directly from the battery when the ignition coil wire is energized.

    Questions: is either of these options a good idea? Has anyone else encountered this? If so, what did you do?
  • asphaltrockdweller
    350 Buick
    • Jul 09, 2009
    • 1218

    #2
    What about using the choke wire?
    (Ristow)fram!....that deserves a ratchet upside the head.

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    • mattmopar440
      AMC 4 OH! 1
      • May 17, 2007
      • 4092

      #3
      put in a relay with a fuse which would be the best thing to do with an investment of that cost power the coil side of the relay off the electric choke wire that should be hot key on
      87' Grand Wagoneer
      401/727/229, Currently:RUNNING
      84 J10/20 hybrid 258/727/208 Daily Driver
      80' J10 4BT/AX-15/208
      74' J10 Go Grabber Green Sold
      Originally posted by Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81
      Inferior Chevy

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      • mattmopar440
        AMC 4 OH! 1
        • May 17, 2007
        • 4092

        #4
        Originally posted by asphaltrockdweller
        What about using the choke wire?
        yea beat me too it
        87' Grand Wagoneer
        401/727/229, Currently:RUNNING
        84 J10/20 hybrid 258/727/208 Daily Driver
        80' J10 4BT/AX-15/208
        74' J10 Go Grabber Green Sold
        Originally posted by Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81
        Inferior Chevy

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        • Guypatterson
          230 Tornado
          • May 29, 2015
          • 15

          #5
          Originally posted by asphaltrockdweller
          What about using the choke wire?

          The choke wire was what I had hoped to use, but it's not hot while cranking. The only wire that is hot while cranking AND while running is the wire to the ignition coil.

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          • mattmopar440
            AMC 4 OH! 1
            • May 17, 2007
            • 4092

            #6
            Originally posted by Guypatterson
            The choke wire was what I had hoped to use, but it's not hot while cranking. The only wire that is hot while cranking AND while running is the wire to the ignition coil.
            disconnect the ign coil wire hook it to 2 relays one will power the ign coil the other the EFI both will have separate fused power from the battery
            87' Grand Wagoneer
            401/727/229, Currently:RUNNING
            84 J10/20 hybrid 258/727/208 Daily Driver
            80' J10 4BT/AX-15/208
            74' J10 Go Grabber Green Sold
            Originally posted by Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81
            Inferior Chevy

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            • babywag
              out of order
              • Jun 08, 2005
              • 10286

              #7
              Use the stock duraspark power wire to trigger a relay.
              2 wire connector, one wire is hot in both crank & run positions.

              There is also a wire on the starter relay, that is same.

              Do not use the coil wire.
              Tony
              88 GW, 67 J3000, 07 Magnum SRT8

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              • Texas993
                230 Tornado
                • Feb 05, 2017
                • 23

                #8
                There is a much simpler solution. The yellow wire that goes into the ignition module works. You can tap into it (do a quality tap) or cut the wire if you no longer need the module (which is what I did).

                I have used this source for both a Holley Sniper and the Howell TBI setup.

                (For those that don't think this is enough power, the Holley Sniper has a separate wire directly connected to the battery).

                BTW, I am in Dallas if you need some help.
                Patrick

                '89 Grand Wagoneer. Gold/Beige. Restored

                '88 Grand Wagoneer. Colorado Red/ Tan. Restoring

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                • Guypatterson
                  230 Tornado
                  • May 29, 2015
                  • 15

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Texas993
                  There is a much simpler solution. The yellow wire that goes into the ignition module works. You can tap into it (do a quality tap) or cut the wire if you no longer need the module (which is what I did).

                  I have used this source for both a Holley Sniper and the Howell TBI setup.

                  (For those that don't think this is enough power, the Holley Sniper has a separate wire directly connected to the battery).

                  BTW, I am in Dallas if you need some help.

                  Thanks for the suggestion. I am going to try this tonight; I will let you all know how it works out.

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                  • Guypatterson
                    230 Tornado
                    • May 29, 2015
                    • 15

                    #10
                    To update everyone and to give an initial review of the system. For 12v power, I used the yellow wire that goes into the ignition module, and everything seems to be working great.

                    Performance has been AWESOME so far. The engine idles so smoothly...it sounds like a different car. Throttle response is great. My mpg has increased about 15-20% (from 8 mpg to 9.5-10 mpg).

                    Overall: I am thrilled with the product, especially since it only cost around $1200.

                    I only have one con: the priming time. Before starting, you have to turn the key to on and then wait 2 seconds for the pump to prime. This is slightly annoying, but not that big of a deal.

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                    • babywag
                      out of order
                      • Jun 08, 2005
                      • 10286

                      #11
                      I'm guessing that's CITY mpg you're referring to?
                      That is one area EFI shines on these old pigs, if you're talking HWY then you need to do some tuning
                      Tony
                      88 GW, 67 J3000, 07 Magnum SRT8

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                      • Guypatterson
                        230 Tornado
                        • May 29, 2015
                        • 15

                        #12
                        Originally posted by babywag
                        I'm guessing that's CITY mpg you're referring to?
                        That is one area EFI shines on these old pigs, if you're talking HWY then you need to do some tuning

                        Yes. That's city mpg. My ride doesn't get on the highway much. It goes to/from my office each day, which is only about a one mile trip.

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                        • babywag
                          out of order
                          • Jun 08, 2005
                          • 10286

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Guypatterson
                          Yes. That's city mpg. My ride doesn't get on the highway much. It goes to/from my office each day, which is only about a one mile trip.
                          Well I can say after YEARS of mileage tracking that EFI saved me ~$500/yr in fuel. 90% of my driving is City, and it adds up.
                          Some folks always spout off about lack of return on investment, and $xxx buys a crapload of fuel, etc.
                          But the math is simple, the EFI has paid for itself several times over, and soooo much better than a carb.
                          Tony
                          88 GW, 67 J3000, 07 Magnum SRT8

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                          • Guypatterson
                            230 Tornado
                            • May 29, 2015
                            • 15

                            #14
                            As a side note, I am thinking about putting in a Holley Dual Synch Distributor. Currently, my Sniper does not control timing.

                            What are some of the practical benefits to controlling timing? Will I get better mpg? I've heard the idle may be smoother?

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                            • babywag
                              out of order
                              • Jun 08, 2005
                              • 10286

                              #15
                              I wasn?t aware holley makes one for AMC??

                              Allowing timing control takes full advantage of EFI.
                              The computer can adjust based on sensor inputs.
                              Allows for fine tuning that a traditional setup just cannot do.
                              You can also tweak/tune from drivers seat w/o even opening the hood.
                              Tony
                              88 GW, 67 J3000, 07 Magnum SRT8

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