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View Poll Results: Which fsj do you think is best offroad
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wagoneer/grand wagoneer
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25.66% |
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cherokee wide track
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47.79% |
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cherokee narrow track
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8.85% |
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j10, specify lwb/swb
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10.62% |
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j20 lwb
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7.08% |
07-24-2012, 08:59 PM
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Join Date: Jan 21, 2001
Location: Twain Harte, California
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Originally Posted by j2sax
In the rear, the axle is the same width as the J trucks but the frame is narrower on the Chero. Plenty of room between the frame and Wheel Mounting Surface for BIG tires!
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Actually the rear axle of a WT Cherokee is several inches narrower than a J10's. On a J10, the rear axle is wider than the front. On a Cherokee, the rear axle is narrower than the front.
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1975 Cherokee *Sold*
1989 XJ Limited *Sold*
2005 KJ Limited 3.7, 42RLE, NP242
2008 JK 3.8, 6sp, NP241, 2.5", 33's, 4.56's
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07-25-2012, 01:24 AM
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Gear Head
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where's the j-truck with a brow option? that is the best... 
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07-25-2012, 08:16 AM
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FSJ Maniac
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And how does that help you offroad? |
07-25-2012, 09:19 AM
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Gear Head
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Join Date: Jun 22, 2010
Location: Neosho, MO
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it helps keep you 
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"Grandpas" 1979 J-10 resto/mod-on hold for now
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07-25-2012, 11:27 AM
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Señor Jackhead
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Join Date: Aug 21, 2002
Location: Jubilee Jeeps.SWCO
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Originally Posted by rstep
i like the narrow tracks myself.
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DITTO! If I had a WT the fender flares would all be crunched...
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07-25-2012, 11:28 AM
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Always Broke
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Join Date: Nov 16, 2001
Location: Mesa AZ
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I voted NT waggy. I have the WT Cherokee now and it's good too. The NT fit in tighter spaces, that can matter if you are trying to position between boulders here in AZ.
Hard to argue against 4 doors. I do miss that part of the waggy for sure.
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07-25-2012, 04:44 PM
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I'm partial to the NT rigs myself but the WT's do have their advantages. With a WT 31x10.5R15's won't rub on the springs like they will on a NT, at least with the stock spoked wagon wheels. You can also stuff a larger tire into the rear wheel wells at full flex and not have them get torn to shreds. I've been able to do it with a NT but fender trimming was required.
The one thing I've always been afraid of with my WT's and J trucks is smashing up the fender flares. Funny thing is the more careful I am the more things get broke, if I wheel the snot out of it and aim for trees I don't even scratch the paint 
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07-25-2012, 08:20 PM
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Late 70's NT Wagoneer is my favorite cause you can haul people along to go wheeling and it isin't a pain for them to get out. Also a NT is better for up here in Minnesota for dodging trees and on trails made for small jeeps. There is also good weight distubution which helps keep tires on the ground when hill climbing and flexing at wierd angles.
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07-25-2012, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by nc wagoneer
That sir is a BEAUTIFUL rig you got there  |
+1 on Scott's WT GW because (a) it's amazingly cool and good-looking and (b) I have a WT GW myself 
Also, I am going to vote for the most obvious choice that doesn't appear in the poll: M715. 
Michael
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07-26-2012, 10:58 AM
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FSJ Maniac
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Join Date: Aug 08, 2004
Location: Willamette Valley, OR
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I have put my w/t right along the trail with CJ's and amazed them with what it will do for the size and lack of major mods.
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07-30-2012, 03:00 PM
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Coming from xj cherokees I thought my J10 on tons would be a handful on the tight trails. With the wheelbase shortened to 113 and back of the bed chopped off she has proven to be quite manuverable.
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08-02-2012, 11:46 AM
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My lifted J10 does fairly well however the rear overhang is a killer.
If you are going to do anything outside of trails the bed/bumper is going to gain some trial rash.
It also will get you hung on things that others craw right over.
I am building a WT Cherokee and look forward to less issues on the rocks in the near future.
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08-03-2012, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sealegs
My lifted J10 does fairly well however the rear overhang is a killer.
If you are going to do anything outside of trails the bed/bumper is going to gain some trial rash.
It also will get you hung on things that others craw right over.
I am building a WT Cherokee and look forward to less issues on the rocks in the near future.
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I didnt come down on my back end once on its first trip out running blacks at rausch creek offroad park. Still have some other work to do to it before I tackle the reds. |
08-03-2012, 09:25 AM
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Bleedin' Gasoline
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That is way cool ktm!
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08-03-2012, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ktmracer419
chop it
I didnt come down on my back end once on its first trip out running blacks at rausch creek offroad park. Still have some other work to do to it before I tackle the reds. |
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I would think boxing would limit the amount the frame could flex over obstacles which I think IMO would be a bad thing. I would think you would want all the articulation possible.
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Originally Posted by johnny019
I'm not saying lockers don't improve the performance of your rig, just that they're overrated.
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08-09-2012, 09:01 PM
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Got me itching to bob the GW now.. Voted Wagoneer, the 4 doors are awesome, even more so with the back seat pulled out!
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They aren't dents, they're scars and she wears them proudly, she's given me a few of mine. She's a little slow, her frame is bent and her grin twisted just like me... It's a good fit
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08-18-2012, 07:53 PM
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Votes are in
This one is no suprise when all around uncut stock is counted.
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If you can't make it better why waste your time. No use repeating the orignal mistakes. I'm to old to push it that's why.
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08-31-2012, 02:23 PM
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Gear Head
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Mine
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Originally Posted by Locked and Loaded
Mine
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I agree 100% - Mine is half Chevy (drive train) the rest Cherokee. The worlds heaviest FSJ... but its mine! |
09-08-2012, 03:34 PM
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Gear Head
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Half Chevy, half Dodge, and half Jeep. I wouldn't bet on it being the heaviest but it is about 1 1/2 times what it used to be.
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09-08-2012, 04:36 PM
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Grease Monkey
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If you go fast enough, you just bounce the rear overhang of a J20 right off of whatever obstacle it is you're climbing off of and continue on your way (sheet metal and parts dangling). I know this from experience.
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