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Old 12-29-2007, 08:13 PM
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Unhappy I drove my new J10 for 50 miles (long post)

As some of you may know, I have been looking for a Daily Driver replacement for my ‘99 for a while.

My 1999 Grand Cherokee Limited (WJ)
My WJ has some serious issues. I’ve had major issues with both its front and rear brakes.
I paid big $$$ and installed updated Mopar rotors (are suppose to correct rotor warpage)
with Stillen cross drilled rotors and Stillen pads.
I still have rotor warpage.
I have had the front hubs replaced multiple times.
Bushings and the ball joint for the rear suspension needs replaced; basically the rear suspension assembly needs rebuilt.
When going around a curve, like an Interstate exit ramp, the rear of the WJ will fishtail and get squirrelly.
Other smaller, but annoying problems, like the A/C, heated leather seats and the several stereo speakers do not work.
The rear door gaskets are shot and leaks wind/water.
In August, I was T-Boned and the drivers door and front fenders were damaged.
The door will shut and latch, but it badly bowed and has a 2 inch gap around the top.
Its 4.0L I6 runs great.

1982 Jeep J10
So, while looking, I found an excellent deal for a 1982 J10 pickup on Craigslist,
not far from my parents and my wife’s parents home.
The seller was a widow and it was her late husband’s truck.
He passed away in September and it has sat in the driveway, only used by a neighbor once to haul a tiller.







This J10 is powered by a AMC 360 V8 and is backed by a TF727 and NP219.
Some of its amenities are: A/C (converted to R134), cruise, tilt wheel and rear sliding glass window.
Not mounted, but included is a factory brush bar and the original Muscle Bar grill and shell.
It has power windows and door locks, but I wonder if the doors came from a Wagoneer,
for it sports a Pignose grill from a Wagoneer.
It has burgundy interior, with a super nice black dash pad, black sports steering wheel and black A/C vents/controls.
Its burgundy head liner is in nice shape
The burgundy passenger door panel is in okay condition while the driver’s door panel is missing.
The only original seat is the driver’s side black and grey clothe bucket and is in fair shape.
The passenger seat is a very nice maroon clothe seat from a van and its mate for the driver’s seat was included.
Its long bed is covered with a white truck cap.

I spoke with the owner a few times on the phone, made a deposit and arranged for a pickup, December 28 at 1:00PM.
She called a few days before the pickup to let me know that she drove around the block and it was running rough.
She told me that after I saw it, that if I did not want it, that I could back out and she would refund my deposit.
I arrived on time, to discover that what I thought was a dirty white truck,
was really a black truck that the outside had sprayed primer gray. (I like black!)
It was nearly rest free, with some rust in the outside bed seam, and a couple of small spots on the lower fenders.
The seam at the bottom of the doors has rusted open.
It started fine, with a slight rough idle.
After the transaction, I drove down to the local Go-mart for a small bit of gas (high price)
and discovered some vacuum lines laying loose.
I found a screw in the cab, plugged the hose feeding all the others and the idle smoothed right out.

Disaster
I drove from Fairmont, WV to Weston, WV where I filled up with gas at Sheetz.
I left Weston, where at near mile marker 85, I was following a red Chevy Colbalt.
In the passing lane was a tan-ish minivan and my wife was following in our KIA.
I was thinking what a good deal I made and how well this truck was running, how nice it rode, tracked straight,
when the red Colbalt, changed lanes, sorta cutting off the minivan, and continued onto the median.
When the Colbalt’s wheels dropped off the inside lane shoulder,
the driver jerked the wheel back to the right, lost control and shot back across the Interstate and into the guard rail.
The collision with the guardrail bounced the Colbalt right in my path.
I saw it coming, applied the brakes, but it was to late.
I hit the Colbalt square in the drivers door.
I limped the J10 down to the rest area and walked back to the crash site, where three WVDOT trucks had stopped to assist.
The driver was a middle aged female and surprisingly was not hurt, as she only complained of a headache.
EMT and VFD arrived, then we all stood in the now rain as we waited for the law enforcement to show up.
The other driver waited in a WVDOT truck.
The Lewis County Sheriff Deputy filled out the accident report, charged the other driver with Failure to Maintain Control
and for the fault of the accident.
The distance, right at 50 miles from where I picked up the J10 to the accident site.
Time, about 2 hours.
50 miles and 2 hours! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to me!
I am such a major loser!

The Damage
The J10's passenger side fender is pealed back.
The passenger side corner of the hood and radiator core support in the headlight area are hurt bad.
The radiator core support from the radiator to the driver side is fine.
The hood is jammed to the back and to the left.
It will not open and I'm sure it will need to be cut off.
The worst looking part is the axle is pushed back on the passenger side about 2 inches
But the underneath is fine: the frame is not bent; steering assembly is fine; the spring is fine.
The Deputy allowed me to park the J10 in rest area for the weekend.
Today, my father and I went back to dolly home the J10.
While upon the Dolly, I saw where the collision caused the passenger side front spring shackle to be rotated up,
instead of hanging down like on the driver's side.
All it would take would be to somehow ‘pop’ the shackle back in its normal position
and the front end mechanicals would be (should be) fine.
It still runs fine and I drove it up and off the Dolly.
It is parked at my parents house, waiting on the Insurance adjuster to come out and check out the damage.
I fear I will be in for a fight to have my J10 not to be declared totaled, but have it repaired.





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...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
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Old 12-29-2007, 08:20 PM
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Very sad Bryan! Glad you were not damaged personally.
That is a heckuva story too! 50 miles... dangit.
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Old 12-29-2007, 08:30 PM
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Awwwwww JEEEZ....
Well glad you werent' hurt..and I know all too well how you have sorely been hunting for one of these.
I'm looking at the pic's and seeing something that is fixable..
What the insurance says..might be a different story, but I wish you the best of luck there.
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Old 12-29-2007, 08:32 PM
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Having been in the Paint and body bussiness they will because of the age of the vehicle, try and total it. After the adjuster has a estimate in hand, and he tell you it is totaled. Tell him you want to take the money and keep the truck. You will probably get less then what the repair would cost but you will have some cash in hand to look for parts. I know that there are some realy nice people here that may have a fender that they dont need any more. My only concern from the pics you took is the spring. If the shackle is moved like it is then some thing had to give on the other side of the axle. With out looking at it I would say you will need a new set of front springs. It dosent look like you will need to have the frame straightened. so you should be able to do most of the work your self.

It is a great find. I almost called to find out more info about the truck but decided it was too far for me to pick up. Good luck.

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Old 12-29-2007, 08:37 PM
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yeah,fix it then paint it flat black!
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Old 12-29-2007, 08:48 PM
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aw for f's sake that blows

yeah total it out and take the buyback. Then go junkyard/for sale shoppin'. One thing to LOOK CLOSELY AT: your upper cab corner on the side that got hit. If that's crinkled in forget about anything ever lining up. and check your cab mounts, hits like that shear bolts. Shock mounts can bend too, really check everything with a good staredown (after a few shots to calm down) I've parted out an 82 J10 that had a fairly worse hit than that, heck, the frame was a foot out of of square :P Doesnt take much to zigzag em with a corner hit.

Good luck and post up wanted parts when you need em, sure we'll all help out.
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Old 12-29-2007, 10:55 PM
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That bites, hopefully you can work it out to keep it if it's still unbent.

I have a front clip (though it's in central PA) if you end up looking for one (might have the bumper too but I'd have to check).
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Old 12-30-2007, 01:07 AM
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Wow - thats too bad. It looks fairly salvagable though. Expecially if you want the front clip I have in my back yard. I picked it up from craig last summer, mainly because it was attached to the boobie grill I bought, and it was in too good of shape to go to the scrapper, which was where it was heading if I didn't take it. If you're interested, I'll go snap some pics when the sun comes up. Price? Well I've been asking myself why I drug it home, so you can have it after I grab the grill.
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Old 12-30-2007, 01:22 AM
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Bry,
I am very happy to hear that nobody was hurt.
But...Dam man. if you didn't have bad luck, you wouldn't have any luck at all.
Maybe it's time you went to the "Darkside".
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Old 12-30-2007, 07:21 AM
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Bryan, the most important thing is, your okay. The J-10 can get fixed. You know where to ask for parts.

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Old 12-30-2007, 07:29 AM
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Wow - thats too bad. It looks fairly salvagable though. Expecially if you want the front clip I have in my back yard. I picked it up from craig last summer, mainly because it was attached to the boobie grill I bought, and it was in too good of shape to go to the scrapper, which was where it was heading if I didn't take it. If you're interested, I'll go snap some pics when the sun comes up. Price? Well I've been asking myself why I drug it home, so you can have it after I grab the grill.

Thanx.
I think I will take you up on this offer.
Later, I'll send you a PM.
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...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
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Best laid plans, yada yada yada...

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Old 12-30-2007, 07:53 AM
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Gads! I thought I had a bad day yesterday. But nothing like that.

Hope the adjuster is kind to you, and that things can get put right.
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Old 12-30-2007, 07:58 AM
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Bry,
I am very happy to hear that nobody was hurt.
But...Dam man. if you didn't have bad luck, you wouldn't have any luck at all.
Maybe it's time you went to the "Darkside".
LOL!
Yes, I've thinking along those lines also.
I must not being right or something...

I told my kids, that we (I) need to look at the positives of life, which are hard to to do when you are going through rough stretch.
Was easy to tell my kids this, leaving the accident site in our KIA, but is hard to put into practice.
I was thinking, the few hundred dollars I saved and scrounged and worked for: Gone.
I still have my DD problem to solve and now I have other "project" that I really did not need.
I need to listen to own words, be strong for my family and myself.

In reality, the positives are: that my oldest daughter and I were wearing our seat beats and
that we were not hurt and the other driver was not hurt.
(another positive: they very nice black seat belts and buckles! )

It is truly a wonder that we escaped any injury.
When I went back to get the J10, I brought a camera to take some pics of the guardrail this lady hit.

Other blessings are wonderful friends I have here and that maybe, a huge maybe, I will get some insurance $$$.

When I get my J10 fixed, I do want to get that bumper sticker that says, "My crumple zone is your car."

I drove that crippled J10 to the Rest area.
The Colbat was destroyed.
The lady had to crawl out of the passenger side, for the mighty J10 caved in the driver's side,
broke out all the rear and side glass, broke both spindles as the wheels were just laying over, loose.
It was bad.
The Colbat, hauled away on a roll back, the scrapper's torch is its fate.
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:07 AM
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There ya go Bryan; another positive spin. The front clip is really very easy to swap as a complete unit. The Cobalt does not have that option.
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:19 AM
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There ya go Bryan; another positive spin. The front clip is really very easy to swap as a complete unit. The Cobalt does not have that option.

Yup, ditto to what Flint just said. Bryan, I've got an extra pignose here if you need it.
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:21 AM
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SIMPLE! NOT YOUR FALT,YOU HOLD ALL THE CARDS...RIGHT? ...DO THIS,WHEN THE ADJUSTER COMES TO YOUR HOUSE,ANSWER THE DOOR LOOKING LIKE THIS >> I'M GLAD YOUR OK!!!!!
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:28 AM
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My only concern from the pics you took is the spring. If the shackle is moved like it is then some thing had to give on the other side of the axle. With out looking at it I would say you will need a new set of front springs. It dosent look like you will need to have the frame straightened. so you should be able to do most of the work your self.
Talk to me more about this.
I looked at it hard while it was up on the dolly.
I could not still where anything was broke or bent or damaged in any way.
Just the passenger axle as articulated in a bazaar way and got stuck in the position.
I think a large bar or rotate that shackle back in place, it appears to me that is will be good to go.
If I had the $$$, I would go for a lift kit and not mess with it.
If the springs are damaged, there are plenty of stock OE Waggie springs that I could get to replace this damaged ones.

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It is a great find. I almost called to find out more info about the truck but decided it was too far for me to pick up. Good luck.
Well, I also thought it was a great find.
I got it for an excellent price.
You would not believe how smooth it ran, no knocks, misses, pings, taps, nothing.
Maybe you should have gotten it and saved me all this grief.
But then again, with insurance $$$ and with friends help, I may come out with a very nice and inexpensive DD.
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:43 AM
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SIMPLE PART #2...JUST FLIP THE SHACKLE BACK IN PLACE .THEN MEASURE EACH SIDE FROM REAR AXLE TO FRONT AXLE AND SEE WHAT MEASUREMENT YOU HAVE!...IF THEY MATCH/UP YOUR GOOD TO GO!...
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:44 AM
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Wow, Bryan- Glad you and your daughter are OK.

I wish you luck with the insurance company! Stick to your guns!
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Old 12-30-2007, 09:03 AM
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glad you're alright Bryan, next time take the back roads! that sucks the big1111
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