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  • The PIG Smith
    King Browless

    Moderator
    • Nov 30, 2001
    • 6538

    Old Topic, New Questions: Chevy 6.2 Diesel Conversion

    Okay, this topic, FSJ Diesel Conversion, is one that has been discussed to death.
    I've posted this topic elsewhere on the web,
    for I would like to harvest as much info as I can from as many folks as I can.

    In my research, I found a lot of talk,
    but few nitty-gritty details of what a person can run into while performing this type of engine swap.

    Let me start by saying, I?m looking a J20 pickup with its AMC 360 engine out and in pieces.

    As gasoline in the US is near or at in some places, the $2.00 per gallon price,
    diesel looks like a inviting and fun long term project.

    The following info is what I have gathered during my research and is the basis of my preliminary plan.

    Engine and Transmission

    I will use a 6.2L GM diesel and TH400 transmission.

    The 6.2 will be modernized, using a CUCV intake, slightly larger injectors and performance tuned injector pump.
    Some 6.5L parts may find their way my planned 6.2.
    It will be naturally aspirated at the beginning, saving $$$ for the other details and components for the rest of the swap.
    I would like see 300+ horsepower from this engine

    I have chosen a 6.2 because it is a cheap and plentiful engine.
    The lack of electronics is a big plus for a swap in an older vehicle.
    Lots of cheap mods can be made to make the commonly underpowered 6.2 produce plenty of horsepower.

    Also, because the 6.2 share the same engine mounts as a small block Chevy and many folks have swapped in a SBC in a FSJ, physically mounting the engine should be a snap.
    Much easy than mounting a 6.9/7.3 Ford or 5.9 Cummings.

    The TH400 will be built to handle the torque and horsepower of the 6.2.
    Once again, because a TH400 has been used in a FSJ, mounting, crossmember and linkage issues should not be a problem.

    Transfercase

    Transfercase poses a slight issue, as to which one to use.
    Because the 1981 model J20 that I planning to use has a driver?s side drop front axle,
    then I would need to use a TC that also has a driver?s side drop.

    What transfercase will bolt up to a TH400 with no adapters, can handle the torque of a diesel and have a driver?s side drop?

    Now for the little details that no talks about:

    Wiring

    The 6.2 does not have that much engine wiring.
    But, how do I found out about the few wires that exist?
    What they are for?
    Where do they need to go?
    Do I need them all or can I eliminate some?
    How/Where do I slice them into the existing FSJ harness?

    Fuel

    Where is the fuel line need to be on a 6.2?
    Is it in the right location for the fuel line entrance into the engine bay of a V8 FSJ?
    Will I need an electric fuel pump?
    What size/brand would I need?

    Cooling

    The radiator poses another issue, as it would on any engine swap.
    I?m sure I could get a custom rad built for a price, but is there any other options?
    Cut the core support to retrofit a stock Chevy unit?

    Conclusion

    Well, those are all I can think of at this moment.

    I hope this creates a good discussion.
    Your comments, opinions and flames are welcome.
    Your support is more appreciated.

    [ May 08, 2004, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: The PIG Smith ]
    Bryan Smith
    2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited
    - 75th Anniversary Edition - 1941 Trim Package - Recon Green
    1986 Jeep J20
    - Super clean rig from the AZ/CA state line
    1982 Jeep J10
    - Has become a Long Term Project.
    1981 Jeep J20
    - Commercial flat bed - Lost in a Divorce --gone
    1987 Jeep J20 Pioneer
    - Former Rick Bielec aka Ricbee plow rig. Major rust!! --gone

    IFSJA Member #1933 Joined November 30, 2001

    Originally posted by Jayrodoh
    ...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
    Originally posted by Lindel
    Best laid plans, yada yada yada...
  • FSJnovice
    350 Buick
    • Dec 17, 2003
    • 1009

    #2
    maybe could use a diesel blazer for donor parts, then would be able to see what the few wires that you have to connect actually connect to. what side does a chevy truck drop on check some of the older ones? Fuel line may have to fab up. Cooling the radiator for the 360 or 401 should work, hose routing will or could be different though. Will check on other items though.
    Mike
    88 GW stock
    360/727/229
    project

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    • The PIG Smith
      King Browless

      Moderator
      • Nov 30, 2001
      • 6538

      #3
      Yes, I think that is how I plan to get the 6.2 and a TH400, from a donor.
      I've seen several rusted 2WD rigs that would make great donors

      I'm sure I would learn something from a donor,
      but I would realy like to have an idea about how to solve some of these issues
      before I fill my yard and garage full of project and donor trucks and zillion of parts.
      Bryan Smith
      2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited
      - 75th Anniversary Edition - 1941 Trim Package - Recon Green
      1986 Jeep J20
      - Super clean rig from the AZ/CA state line
      1982 Jeep J10
      - Has become a Long Term Project.
      1981 Jeep J20
      - Commercial flat bed - Lost in a Divorce --gone
      1987 Jeep J20 Pioneer
      - Former Rick Bielec aka Ricbee plow rig. Major rust!! --gone

      IFSJA Member #1933 Joined November 30, 2001

      Originally posted by Jayrodoh
      ...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
      Originally posted by Lindel
      Best laid plans, yada yada yada...

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      • seamus
        327 Rambler
        • Oct 08, 2003
        • 593

        #4
        The later 6.2 or first year 6.5 are a good choice for what you want to do . Avoid the pumps on the 6.5 second year and on ... they are what gave these engines a bad name.
        1980 Cherokee WT with Cummins 6BT

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        • drives mopars
          258 I6
          • Feb 01, 2004
          • 445

          #5
          ya need a better diesel
          go with cummins
          4 cyc
          ya get 200hp easy
          or a 6 cyc 5.9 and get 500 hp easy
          ive dobe it in a dodge pu
          7000lbs 20mpg
          93 dodge diesel 89 360 grd waggie<br />ham call kk6dm,want 4bt w/p pump

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          • drives mopars
            258 I6
            • Feb 01, 2004
            • 445

            #6
            400 foot pounds 4 cyc
            \or 1000 foot pounds w 6cyc

            no chevy or ford can match the p7100 pump
            with a 6cyc cummins period
            93 dodge diesel 89 360 grd waggie<br />ham call kk6dm,want 4bt w/p pump

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            • The PIG Smith
              King Browless

              Moderator
              • Nov 30, 2001
              • 6538

              #7
              For the reasons I stated above,
              I want the swap to be as easy as possible.

              While I agree of the three diesels found in modern pickup trucks, Duramax, Powerstroke and Cummins, the Cummings is the best engine.

              IMHO, the 6BT Cummins because of its size, would be the most difficult to swap into anything other than a Dodge Ram.

              Now, does that mean that it can not be done?
              No, I am not saying that at all.
              From your sig, you obvious have made this swap,
              but can you honestly say that is easy?
              Did it in a weekend or two? or four?
              I'll bet not.

              I think a Ford 6.9/7.3 or a 4BT Cummins would be the next difficult Diesel to swap in a FSJ.
              Their size helps the swap, but like 4BT Cummins,
              the extensive fabrication makes all the power plants difficult to swap.

              I've been beating up on the Ford/IH and Cummins as swap candidates for a FSJ,
              for I honestly believe the 6.2/6.5 would be the least stressful and aggravating of a swap.

              I've been studying this problem on a off for while.
              With the limited resources I have (mostly handtools) and lack of shop space, a welder and other significant tools,
              I need to make this swap as simple as I can.

              This is the purpose of this post, the gather as much info in order the decide if this project something that reasonably attempt.
              There is no doubt that I can pull it off, it's just the time, $$$, tools and space that would prevent me.

              Now as far as the 6.2/6.5 being underpowered, this is true is stock form.
              Yes, the early units had some teething issues.
              But with simple modifications it is easy to get 300+ horsepower from a 6.2/6.5.
              This plenty for me.
              Are 6.2/6.5 as strong as a modified Cummins, maybe not.

              I sorry that you dislike 6.2/6.5 Diesel engines,
              but they are great engines, with a dark past and are very underrated.

              Maybe I like them because that are considered an underdog. [img]smile.gif[/img]
              Bryan Smith
              2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited
              - 75th Anniversary Edition - 1941 Trim Package - Recon Green
              1986 Jeep J20
              - Super clean rig from the AZ/CA state line
              1982 Jeep J10
              - Has become a Long Term Project.
              1981 Jeep J20
              - Commercial flat bed - Lost in a Divorce --gone
              1987 Jeep J20 Pioneer
              - Former Rick Bielec aka Ricbee plow rig. Major rust!! --gone

              IFSJA Member #1933 Joined November 30, 2001

              Originally posted by Jayrodoh
              ...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
              Originally posted by Lindel
              Best laid plans, yada yada yada...

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              • fittedj20
                232 I6
                • Jun 01, 2003
                • 54

                #8
                ok the wire you need are the wire going to and from the glow plug temp sensor all the glow plug wires fast idle wire injection pump advance selenoid wire fuel shut off on pump oil pres sensor and the temp and tach sensor
                you definatly need a diesel radiator and 250 horses is all you can get out of thees motors even with a turbo and propane you could also try water injection and NOS but you will get great gas millage like 17-21 or so

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                • drives mopars
                  258 I6
                  • Feb 01, 2004
                  • 445

                  #9
                  try a web site its close to this
                  cumminsford or ford cummins

                  they make kits for ford to install a 6bt in

                  ive seen a 6bt in a scout and rams

                  and 4 bts in dodge med size pu
                  93 dodge diesel 89 360 grd waggie<br />ham call kk6dm,want 4bt w/p pump

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                  • The PIG Smith
                    King Browless

                    Moderator
                    • Nov 30, 2001
                    • 6538

                    #10
                    Thank You drives mopars.
                    That is a good web with lots a great info.

                    www.fordcummins.com

                    They advertise that coming soon:

                    www.jeepcummins.com

                    WhooooooHoooooo!!!
                    I'm gona watch this place closely.
                    If they come up with the part need to make a 6BT installation that simpton can peform,
                    then I will eat crow, change my mind and consider a stronger 6BT as a swap candidates.

                    I suspect, that all the guesswork that I am trying to solve on paper (thus the questions)
                    these folks has gotten it all figured it out.
                    Bryan Smith
                    2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited
                    - 75th Anniversary Edition - 1941 Trim Package - Recon Green
                    1986 Jeep J20
                    - Super clean rig from the AZ/CA state line
                    1982 Jeep J10
                    - Has become a Long Term Project.
                    1981 Jeep J20
                    - Commercial flat bed - Lost in a Divorce --gone
                    1987 Jeep J20 Pioneer
                    - Former Rick Bielec aka Ricbee plow rig. Major rust!! --gone

                    IFSJA Member #1933 Joined November 30, 2001

                    Originally posted by Jayrodoh
                    ...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
                    Originally posted by Lindel
                    Best laid plans, yada yada yada...

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                    • The PIG Smith
                      King Browless

                      Moderator
                      • Nov 30, 2001
                      • 6538

                      #11
                      WOW! Check out what fordcummins.com has done!
                      It's a 4 cylinder Cummins 4BT in a baby Jeep!



                      I wonder how a person would compare a 2.5 Iron Duke to a Cummins 4BT?
                      Four Cylinder -vs- Four Cylinder
                      NOT! LOL!
                      Bryan Smith
                      2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited
                      - 75th Anniversary Edition - 1941 Trim Package - Recon Green
                      1986 Jeep J20
                      - Super clean rig from the AZ/CA state line
                      1982 Jeep J10
                      - Has become a Long Term Project.
                      1981 Jeep J20
                      - Commercial flat bed - Lost in a Divorce --gone
                      1987 Jeep J20 Pioneer
                      - Former Rick Bielec aka Ricbee plow rig. Major rust!! --gone

                      IFSJA Member #1933 Joined November 30, 2001

                      Originally posted by Jayrodoh
                      ...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
                      Originally posted by Lindel
                      Best laid plans, yada yada yada...

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                      • Mark G
                        327 Rambler
                        • Mar 21, 2004
                        • 537

                        #12
                        I vote for an idea I floated to an engineer at D/Chry i spoke with last week. Why not resurrect the FSJ with more agressive styling like the Rescue and put in the new Mercedes 6 cyl turbodiesel? Why improve on mechanical perfection? Great mileage, astounding durability, and already tweaked by admittedly some of the best engineers around? He liked the idea a lot. I'd just be happy to find and adapter plate, mounts and put a 300 turbodiesel out of boneyard in mine. The thought of having an engine that sounds like a garbage can of marbles rolling around a washing machine drum doesn't appeal to me a lot. If that's a 'macho' sound, I need to watch the movie 'In and Out' and few more times, haha. Tons of room on either side of the engine, save about 200 lbs over a domestic engine, great airflow and low underhood temps, and more HP and torque than my 360 stock. also, 20mpg, hehe. Thoughts?

                        [ May 09, 2004, 07:08 PM: Message edited by: Mark G ]
                        \"Carpe diem\"

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                        • Mark G
                          327 Rambler
                          • Mar 21, 2004
                          • 537

                          #13
                          Btw, PIG, I grew up in Fort Wayne! Spent 25 years there. I was a Mercedes mechanic about 10 years there at Maumee Motors. What do you need to get your 86 GW going from one Hoosier to another?
                          Mark Greven
                          Bishop Luers '72 (played football too, hehe)

                          [ May 09, 2004, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: Mark G ]
                          \"Carpe diem\"

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                          • porkchop
                            Master of B.S.
                            • Apr 17, 2000
                            • 8125

                            #14
                            Have you guys seen mcinfantry's M715 with a 4bt installed? Here is his page with all the swap info.



                            This is the route I am going to take in a few years when I swap in a deisel.

                            [ May 10, 2004, 04:58 AM: Message edited by: porkchop ]

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                            • Brule_Cherokee
                              232 I6
                              • Feb 27, 2003
                              • 74

                              #15
                              Don't forget the Cummins 6at, the 3.4L 6cyl turbo-diesel found in delivery trucks. It's said to be the same overall size as the 292 Chevy straight-6 and has a Chevy bolt pattern. It was an Onan design that Cummins bought and made for a few years and can apparently be found in a variety of large delivery vans. Do a Google search on Cummins 6at and find out more.
                              82 CJ8 Scrambler. 4.6L stroker, AX15, D300, 3" lift, 33" BFG AT's, ARB air locker. Daily driver.

                              74 CJ-5 (258, T-176, D-300, stock suspension)

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