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  • Don in Missouri
    258 I6
    • Aug 11, 2002
    • 321

    Windshield trim question

    I had my windshield and gasket replaced with new, and we are struggling to get the stainless re-installed correctly.

    Are the screws that hold the corner stainless trim pieces supposed to penetrate the steel windshield frame, or do they merely screw into the rubber?
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  • 440sixpack
    327 Rambler
    • Jul 21, 2016
    • 612

    #2
    I assume you used a new gasket ?

    If you did good luck. the top piece is impossible I had two pro's try and they gave up. I ended up hooking it on the lip on both sides and counter punching and installing a screw in the middle. it works and doesn't look too bad.




    And yes, the screws go into the metal frame. AMC used self tapping screws if you don't have any you'll either have to find the original holes with a pick or drill new ones.

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    • Tripwire
      AMC 4 OH! 1
      • Jul 30, 2000
      • 4656

      #3
      do a search on this unfriendly search capability site this opic has come up many times with very good tips for sucess......YES the re-install sucks i want to meet the dude who did this on the factory floor LOL
      Abort? Retry? Ignore? >

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      • 440sixpack
        327 Rambler
        • Jul 21, 2016
        • 612

        #4
        The main trick is to rope it in. we tried that and it is obvious if the trim fit the gasket it would go right in. I ruined one top trim and buffed up another and it fit exactly the same.

        I can go out to my parts rig and almost get it on with just a screwdriver. on my new gasket no way no how even by pro's. it's not going to work.

        Hopefully others have better luck.

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        • Don in Missouri
          258 I6
          • Aug 11, 2002
          • 321

          #5
          Thanks.

          Yes, I assumed a new gasket would seal better than the old one. I regret that, now.

          Glass installers bent one trim piece. It took me three days to find another that blew off on the highway.

          Windshield still leaks. I'll get them to fix the leak, and then I'll wrestle the trim myself, I guess.
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          • Don in Missouri
            258 I6
            • Aug 11, 2002
            • 321

            #6
            My glass guy seems committed to fixing this right.

            One of his employees used the wrong tube of black stuff and glued my gasket into place, but its in the wrong place and needs to move for the trim to fit correctly.

            He ordered me a new gasket and we are going to start this all over. He is spending a lot of time and this and seems happy to work with me until it is right.
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            • 440sixpack
              327 Rambler
              • Jul 21, 2016
              • 612

              #7
              Yeah, you'd think that. but mine was installed with no adhiesive whatsoever.


              I think it's because the new gasket isn't as thick , the trim simply can't pull down to fit it. I'm not sure.


              Good luck I hope you beat it.

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              • ProTouring442
                327 Rambler
                • Mar 15, 2011
                • 702

                #8
                Originally posted by 440sixpack
                Yeah, you'd think that. but mine was installed with no adhiesive whatsoever.


                I think it's because the new gasket isn't as thick , the trim simply can't pull down to fit it. I'm not sure.


                Good luck I hope you beat it.
                The real trouble is likely due to the trim having been installed at the factory with the windshield, instead of the trim being installed after the windshield was installed on the vehicle.
                You ever wonder what medieval cook looked at the guts of a pig and thought, "I bet if you washed out that poop tube, you could stuff it with meat and eat it."

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                • 440sixpack
                  327 Rambler
                  • Jul 21, 2016
                  • 612

                  #9
                  We thought about that. but I don't see any way you could install it other than the way everyone does. now or at the factory, you'd have to weld it in .

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                  • ProTouring442
                    327 Rambler
                    • Mar 15, 2011
                    • 702

                    #10
                    Originally posted by 440sixpack
                    We thought about that. but I don't see any way you could install it other than the way everyone does. now or at the factory, you'd have to weld it in .
                    I know! It really doesn't seem possible, but apparently the old, gasket and trim style windshields were installed with the trim already in the rubber. Even the big, wrap around and over windshields like the '59 Chevy used.

                    Here's a video of installing a 1957 Chevy windshield.

                    You ever wonder what medieval cook looked at the guts of a pig and thought, "I bet if you washed out that poop tube, you could stuff it with meat and eat it."

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                    • fsj454
                      Long time member
                      • Jan 02, 2015
                      • 521

                      #11
                      new mopar gasket

                      I used new gasket. Used windshield . Put in myself with stainless . I am funny nobody works on my jeep . I had a nos factory mopar gasket in box for factory trim windsheilds. What brand gaskets are you getting
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                      • 440sixpack
                        327 Rambler
                        • Jul 21, 2016
                        • 612

                        #12
                        I didn't know they ever did a windshield like that. I still don't think you could do a Jeep that way because to rope it in you'd be puling against your dash pad. but I don't know, I can't say. I do know one of the pro's who tried to get my trim on said he had done lots of Wagoneer's back in the day and they did it like we tried to.


                        I have a repop gasket. it's all I could find I don't think anything else is available.

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                        • SJTD
                          304 AMC
                          • Apr 26, 2012
                          • 1953

                          #13
                          I don't buy it either.

                          Why design/make a gasket with a locking bead on the outside then install it assembled.

                          There's a lot of rubber on the inside that would be difficult to pull through.

                          Then there's the dash in the way as mentioned above.
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                          • ProTouring442
                            327 Rambler
                            • Mar 15, 2011
                            • 702

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SJTD
                            I don't buy it either.

                            Why design/make a gasket with a locking bead on the outside then install it assembled.

                            There's a lot of rubber on the inside that would be difficult to pull through.

                            Then there's the dash in the way as mentioned above.
                            I can't speak for Jeep, but that's exactly how they did it on the GM assembly line (Fisher Body). They didn't use rope on the assembly line, but they did install the windshield with the trim installed.
                            You ever wonder what medieval cook looked at the guts of a pig and thought, "I bet if you washed out that poop tube, you could stuff it with meat and eat it."

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                            • SJTD
                              304 AMC
                              • Apr 26, 2012
                              • 1953

                              #15
                              But did that gasket have a locking bead?

                              Lotsa glass is designed to be mounted in the gasket then the assembly mounted on the vehicle. Wag windshields aren't.
                              Sic friatur crustulum

                              '84 GW with Nissan SD33T, early Chev NV4500, 300, narrowed Ford reverse 44, narrowed Ford 60, SOA/reversed shackle in fornt, lowered mount/flipped shackle in rear.

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