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  • KJ Ryu
    350 Buick
    • Sep 06, 2008
    • 771

    BJ's Hydraulic Clutch

    So, something went wrong with my J10's clutch the other day. Not sure yet as I haven't taken it apart to see but, for some reason the throwout bearing refused to move but my foot refused to listen so that thin little threaded adjusting rod (that BJ's does NOT sell) got bent.

    I figure this is a good excuse to go hydro but the description for BJ's conversion kit says some stuff about "custom master cylinder configuration" being necessary for FSJs. Anyone have any more info about this? As always, pics are welcome. And thanks!!!
    Ron

    2005 KJ, Hit-n-Run, 2am 6-17-2012, Totaled.
    1977 J10, 2v304, T18, D20, 37x14s, SOA & SF on tons, still ugly Occasional driving!
    1978 SJ Wagoneer, 360, QT, 33x12.5s, lift by Sawzall NOT Running
    1977 J10 4v401, TH400, BW1339, mostly stock DD

    Originally posted by Mars
    One man's trans leak is another's penetrating oil
  • KJ Ryu
    350 Buick
    • Sep 06, 2008
    • 771

    #2
    Nobody's used this kit?

    If not, does anyone know if 72-86 CJ clutch adjustment rod parts are close enough to use? I can find those here but don't want to waste the money if they just aren't right.

    For reference, these are the parts I would need. Mine has apparently been modified, as I have a heim-type joint on the bell-crank side and a very bent rod that is only threaded partway (not all-thread) on the fork end. Haven't bothered to take it out or get pics.


    Ron

    2005 KJ, Hit-n-Run, 2am 6-17-2012, Totaled.
    1977 J10, 2v304, T18, D20, 37x14s, SOA & SF on tons, still ugly Occasional driving!
    1978 SJ Wagoneer, 360, QT, 33x12.5s, lift by Sawzall NOT Running
    1977 J10 4v401, TH400, BW1339, mostly stock DD

    Originally posted by Mars
    One man's trans leak is another's penetrating oil

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    • KJ Ryu
      350 Buick
      • Sep 06, 2008
      • 771

      #3
      Also, if these parts won't work, can someone tell me the diameter of the ball-end that pushes on the fork?

      Thanks for any/every-thing!!
      Ron

      2005 KJ, Hit-n-Run, 2am 6-17-2012, Totaled.
      1977 J10, 2v304, T18, D20, 37x14s, SOA & SF on tons, still ugly Occasional driving!
      1978 SJ Wagoneer, 360, QT, 33x12.5s, lift by Sawzall NOT Running
      1977 J10 4v401, TH400, BW1339, mostly stock DD

      Originally posted by Mars
      One man's trans leak is another's penetrating oil

      Comment

      • Lindel
        Perfesser of Jeepology
        • Jun 15, 2000
        • 9205

        #4
        Ron, back in the day when I had my Cherokee, I had the same issue with the aluminum adjustment rod. Nobody makes them anymore.

        I ended up building my own clutch linkage from parts I bought from Jegs.

        IIRC, the tube I used was 10.5" long, with heim joints at either end. One left-hand thread, the other was right-hand thread, along with 2 each of the proper jam nuts. I had a friend weld 1 each of the jam nuts to the tubing and installed the heim joints and other jam nuts accordingly. Used grade 5 3/8ths bolts to tie all the parts together and after the first adjustment, never looked back.

        My rig had a 360/T-15/D-20 so the measurements should be close enough to yours to work. Oh, if you do it this way, be sure to run the tube thru the firewall before installing the heim joints!
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        • billyrb
          BJ's Off-Road
          • Aug 15, 2001
          • 10032

          #5
          do you mean the little clutch linkage threaded rod, part #5 in our diagram here:

          #5 - Rod Link 1975-1988: #CL-5

          If so, we do sell them.

          For the hydraulic clutch conversion, custom configuration means that you can't put it directly in front of the clutch pedal as the clutch master will hit the booster.
          BJ's Off-Road
          [email protected]
          Your source for '63-'91 FSJ Parts

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          • Lindel
            Perfesser of Jeepology
            • Jun 15, 2000
            • 9205

            #6
            Originally posted by billyrb
            do you mean the little clutch linkage threaded rod, part #5 in our diagram here:

            #5 - Rod Link 1975-1988: #CL-5

            If so, we do sell them.

            For the hydraulic clutch conversion, custom configuration means that you can't put it directly in front of the clutch pedal as the clutch master will hit the booster.
            Where were you guys 12 years ago when I needed about a half-dozen of those things to make it thru the year?
            Jeep Grounds
            RRV Homepage
            Texas Full Size Jeep Association
            1987 Grand Wagoneer
            AMC 360/TF727/NP229
            1999 Wrangler Sport
            4.0L/AX-15/NV231


            ?Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction? by Ronald Reagan.


            Formerly of DFW/Gun Barrel City, TX - eventually to return...

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            • KJ Ryu
              350 Buick
              • Sep 06, 2008
              • 771

              #7
              Originally posted by billyrb
              do you mean the little clutch linkage threaded rod, part #5 in our diagram here:

              #5 - Rod Link 1975-1988: #CL-5

              If so, we do sell them.

              For the hydraulic clutch conversion, custom configuration means that you can't put it directly in front of the clutch pedal as the clutch master will hit the booster.
              No, I'm referring to part numbers 12, 13 and that threaded piece that goes into them.

              Thanks for the info on the hydro kit!
              Ron

              2005 KJ, Hit-n-Run, 2am 6-17-2012, Totaled.
              1977 J10, 2v304, T18, D20, 37x14s, SOA & SF on tons, still ugly Occasional driving!
              1978 SJ Wagoneer, 360, QT, 33x12.5s, lift by Sawzall NOT Running
              1977 J10 4v401, TH400, BW1339, mostly stock DD

              Originally posted by Mars
              One man's trans leak is another's penetrating oil

              Comment

              • mdill
                Gone. Not Forgotten.
                • Nov 22, 2000
                • 7076

                #8
                The ends are all the same as CJ parts, (same Jeep part number for CJ and FSJ) should not be hard to source.
                http://truckprousa.com/i-11781233-crown-automotive-clutch-wear-adjuster-j5359735.html

                The ball joint can be had though a number of places, Auveco sells them, pretty much just need a chunk of threaded rod to tie all together
                (The rod lenght , I am pretty sure is not the same as CJ, and differs between V8 and I6, cut some thread-all to lenght )
                and be done.
                Auveco Item#12039 (Example)
                http://dixied.com/store/product3503.html (you can figure out the exact one you need)




                Originally posted by KJ Ryu
                No, I'm referring to part numbers 12, 13 and that threaded piece that goes into them.

                Thanks for the info on the hydro kit!
                Last edited by mdill; 02-06-2013, 08:34 AM.
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                • Dumpy
                  304 AMC
                  • Jan 30, 2009
                  • 2438

                  #9
                  When I bought my truck, the joint was held together by a coat hanger! I found one on some random site after days of searching online. I ordered it, and it was about 2 inches too long, so I had to have it machined down. I like the look of the BJ's setup better. That ball and socket joint seems to be a weak link.
                  Justin
                  '72 J2000 360 4bbl T18 D20
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                  • KJ Ryu
                    350 Buick
                    • Sep 06, 2008
                    • 771

                    #10
                    Finally got this part out so I can find something to replace it. O'R's and AZ were no help today. Hopefully NAPA can find something, tomorrow.

                    Ron

                    2005 KJ, Hit-n-Run, 2am 6-17-2012, Totaled.
                    1977 J10, 2v304, T18, D20, 37x14s, SOA & SF on tons, still ugly Occasional driving!
                    1978 SJ Wagoneer, 360, QT, 33x12.5s, lift by Sawzall NOT Running
                    1977 J10 4v401, TH400, BW1339, mostly stock DD

                    Originally posted by Mars
                    One man's trans leak is another's penetrating oil

                    Comment

                    • J20 project
                      304 AMC
                      • Dec 27, 2000
                      • 2487

                      #11
                      You can purchase the little ball and socket like your first picture at any Ace Hardware. They are threaded for 3/8in fine thread. Worst case scenario someone has to thread a long 3/8 bolt further, cut off and there you go.


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                      • KJ Ryu
                        350 Buick
                        • Sep 06, 2008
                        • 771

                        #12
                        Ace, huh? Didn't think of there. I did try a farm/ranch store but nothing small enough there. Thanks!
                        Ron

                        2005 KJ, Hit-n-Run, 2am 6-17-2012, Totaled.
                        1977 J10, 2v304, T18, D20, 37x14s, SOA & SF on tons, still ugly Occasional driving!
                        1978 SJ Wagoneer, 360, QT, 33x12.5s, lift by Sawzall NOT Running
                        1977 J10 4v401, TH400, BW1339, mostly stock DD

                        Originally posted by Mars
                        One man's trans leak is another's penetrating oil

                        Comment

                        • KJ Ryu
                          350 Buick
                          • Sep 06, 2008
                          • 771

                          #13
                          So, apparently, this is what "Built FORD Tough" means:



                          Got the same rod-end that I used to fix the other side of the bell-crank, and some more 3/8-24 all-thread. Anyone see a problem with just rounding one end of the all-thread and screwing it into the rod-end (part #732-1133, for anyone who needs to know)?
                          Last edited by KJ Ryu; 06-11-2013, 06:10 PM.
                          Ron

                          2005 KJ, Hit-n-Run, 2am 6-17-2012, Totaled.
                          1977 J10, 2v304, T18, D20, 37x14s, SOA & SF on tons, still ugly Occasional driving!
                          1978 SJ Wagoneer, 360, QT, 33x12.5s, lift by Sawzall NOT Running
                          1977 J10 4v401, TH400, BW1339, mostly stock DD

                          Originally posted by Mars
                          One man's trans leak is another's penetrating oil

                          Comment

                          • KJ Ryu
                            350 Buick
                            • Sep 06, 2008
                            • 771

                            #14
                            It lives again! Probably still needs the clutch changed but, after changing out the adjuster push-rod, I can shift and drive, again! Woohoo!
                            Ron

                            2005 KJ, Hit-n-Run, 2am 6-17-2012, Totaled.
                            1977 J10, 2v304, T18, D20, 37x14s, SOA & SF on tons, still ugly Occasional driving!
                            1978 SJ Wagoneer, 360, QT, 33x12.5s, lift by Sawzall NOT Running
                            1977 J10 4v401, TH400, BW1339, mostly stock DD

                            Originally posted by Mars
                            One man's trans leak is another's penetrating oil

                            Comment

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