Grand Wagoneer Cummins 4BT swap

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  • olllllo
    258 I6
    • Jul 29, 2003
    • 347

    Originally posted by Tigger4X
    have you considered hydro-assist?
    I definitely have. I don't think it's going to make this round of changes, but it may at some point.

    Originally posted by dusty
    im going to throw something out here

    sell your dodge adapter plate. buy a 4bt/ford small block adapter plate.... the most common taht ever came behind them. install a small block ZF 5 speed

    same ratios as a nv4500 and less cost i just bought a sbf zf for $150. with the nv youll be buying a flywheelm bell housing and t-case adapter. with teh zf the ford 205 and the ford 208 bolt up minus a little shift rail clearancing and it has an integrated bell that bolts straight to the sbf/4bt adapter plate





    And i would seriously consider a ford np208. the np205 in my ford cummins the low range wasnt low enough. i swapped ina np241 (similar to a np208) and that little bit extra was exactly what the engine needed get spinning and it was alot less hang down than my old ford 205 plus cheaper
    At the risk of sounding like I am ignoring your advice, I am already somewhat committed to the direction I am headed. I do appreciate the input, however, and your arguments make sense. Hopefully I can come back here later and justify my decision with experience!
    ~Dave Shuck

    '86 Grand Wagoneer - 4BT Cummins, Dodge NV4500, Ford NP205, Front HD HP 44, rear D60, 37" military Goodyear MTs
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    • rocklaurence
      Moderator

      Moderator
      • Jan 14, 2009
      • 1841

      Dave, I like your project and it gets done instead of Just conversation. Maybe you could start a new thread for the upgrades?
      In regard to the ZF tans, What year donor vehicles should you be looking for and Gas or Diesel?

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      • Bill Moore
        304 AMC
        • May 22, 2006
        • 2139

        Originally posted by rocklaurence
        Dave, I like your project and it gets done instead of Just conversation. Maybe you could start a new thread for the upgrades?
        In regard to the ZF tans, What year donor vehicles should you be looking for and Gas or Diesel?
        Good thread, anyone know what tranny Ford put behind the F150s that got the 4bt for export?
        DDs
        67 KJ715 4bt AA OD 465 np205
        78 J20 Chevy 305 nv4500 np205

        Projects

        Sons Build 1980 short bed J10, j20 axles, 4bt, nv4500, np205, shortened M715 bed and fenders

        Freedom is not Free, it is paid for with Blood

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        • olllllo
          258 I6
          • Jul 29, 2003
          • 347

          Originally posted by Bill Moore
          the F150s that got the 4bt for export?
          WHAT?!?

          I had no idea that they were ever put into any passenger vehicle whatsoever! Is that right?
          ~Dave Shuck

          '86 Grand Wagoneer - 4BT Cummins, Dodge NV4500, Ford NP205, Front HD HP 44, rear D60, 37" military Goodyear MTs
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          • Bill Moore
            304 AMC
            • May 22, 2006
            • 2139

            Originally posted by olllllo
            WHAT?!?

            I had no idea that they were ever put into any passenger vehicle whatsoever! Is that right?
            yes, south America was the rumor in the 90 time frame, maybe someone can verify it, or dispell
            DDs
            67 KJ715 4bt AA OD 465 np205
            78 J20 Chevy 305 nv4500 np205

            Projects

            Sons Build 1980 short bed J10, j20 axles, 4bt, nv4500, np205, shortened M715 bed and fenders

            Freedom is not Free, it is paid for with Blood

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            • dusty
              327 Rambler
              • Jul 20, 2006
              • 744

              Originally posted by Bill Moore
              Good thread, anyone know what tranny Ford put behind the F150s that got the 4bt for export?
              Its not a rumor.

              F100's are what our trucks in argentina had on their badges but they were 3/4 ton by US standards.

              anyways they all had ZF's behind the 4.2L 6cyl diesels and the 4bt's 5 lug and 8 lug trucks all used the same small block patterned ZF trhough the 90's and into the mid 2000's at least all of them that i drove.
              Last edited by dusty; 03-25-2012, 08:55 PM.
              Cherokee S Chief Widetrack W/ Cummins 4bta Diesel, 91 dodge intercooler, hy35/9, AC NV4500/D300 3.54's Ploks 4" BJ's w/ 33's, scout 33 gal fuel tank ( Sold, to a good fsj home)
              The 608.9 hybrid dana 44 build

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              • JeepFullSizeFan1984
                232 I6
                • Oct 20, 2011
                • 34

                What are the updates on this beast?

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