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  • gotmike
    327 Rambler
    • Aug 31, 2008
    • 503

    #76
    Originally posted by FSJeeper
    I know you lost your PICS of the swap, but can you remember any interesting details about how much difference there was between the frames and how did you do the body mounts?
    they were pretty close to the same width... i used some 2.5" channel and notched the "legs" so that i could bend it over 90 degrees and just weld the notched edges together... thus keeping most of the structural integrity... then lined them up front to back with where i wanted the body and welded them on... then i removed the body and centered the width of the body mounting holes across the top's of the new body mounts and then drilled my holes...


    as for towing... if i had a taller trailer it would be much easier... but it pulled like a dream... i still need to hook up a brake controller... but with my junction box and everything i already have it should be pretty easy...

    this is my next build after my hand heals up...
    J.E.E.P
    Just Everyone Elses Parts!
    '77 Cherokee Chief
    w/ '92 12v cummins,
    NV4500
    NP 205
    e]
    Dana 60 Front axle
    Dana 70-HD Rear axle
    Build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=90702
    trailer build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?p=1314880&posted=1#post1314880

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    • FSJeeper
      King of Unfinished Projects
      • May 20, 2000
      • 5270

      #77
      If you could take PICS of your body mounts that would be great. Could you have gone with less lift? How much total lift did you get? I am considering doing this but I do not want any, or very body lift.

      I have a Wagoneer with a 92 Donor truck with low miles and a Crewcab M715 project on the back burner with either a Dodge crewcab chassis or a Chevy. I think the Dodge willl be more practical.
      In Process: 91 Wagoneer, D61/71 axles with 3.07 gearing, NV4500, NP205. Cummins 6BT.

      Back burner project: Crew cab M715, Cummins/Allison/Rockwell Tcase/Dana 61/Dana 71.

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      • smogdredd
        258 I6
        • Jul 19, 2010
        • 464

        #78
        Don't go there

        Originally posted by The PIG Smith
        As I am thinking about a Cummins 6BT Conversation (very long term project) I am concerned about my Jeep Frame and have some questions.
        When you say the Dodge Frame is heavier than the Jeep frame, I am assuming that that you are comparing
        a Jeep Cherokee/Wagoneer style frame to a Dodge 3/4 ton pickup truck frame.

        I am considering a Cummins 6BT in a J truck.
        So, would like to think a 3/4 ton Jeep frame is about the same strength as a 3/4 ton Dodge frame.

        There has been some discussion on this forum in the past that if a person uses a Jeep Frame for a 6BT swap,
        that some reinforcing of the frame is required (boxing?)
        But, I will assume the folks that report this modification requirement is speaking about the 1/2 ton rated Cherokee/Wagoneer frame and not the J Truck frame.

        I am writing to ask that you elaborate on the why you felt you needed to use the Dodge frame.
        What does the Dodge frame provide?
        Deeper frame rails?
        Thicker material?
        Stronger steel?

        If you convince me that a Dodge Frame is the way to go, would a frame from a Dodge 2500 gasser be the same as a powered be a CTD?
        When I saw this project My first thaught was weight. The Dog frame is the only way to manage the weight and tourque. I'm sure a Jeep frame could be beefed up but without the proper jig all that welding would turn it into a pretzel. It would also take a week after it was stripped. If You want to improve on this idea notch the firewall and lift the body to adress the length issue.
        '63 wagoneer '87 360 running gear except T case (207), warn hubs, 3.56 diffs and EFI Holley pro-jection using ford cfi throttle body Stock dist. with four wire HEI module.

        '67 Scout 152cid w/EFI and turbo also My own a little help from Chrysler. I am a fabricator, I make stuff up!

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        • gotmike
          327 Rambler
          • Aug 31, 2008
          • 503

          #79
          Originally posted by FSJeeper
          If you could take PICS of your body mounts that would be great. Could you have gone with less lift? How much total lift did you get? I am considering doing this but I do not want any, or very body lift.

          I have a Wagoneer with a 92 Donor truck with low miles and a Crewcab M715 project on the back burner with either a Dodge crewcab chassis or a Chevy. I think the Dodge willl be more practical.


          J.E.E.P
          Just Everyone Elses Parts!
          '77 Cherokee Chief
          w/ '92 12v cummins,
          NV4500
          NP 205
          e]
          Dana 60 Front axle
          Dana 70-HD Rear axle
          Build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=90702
          trailer build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?p=1314880&posted=1#post1314880

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          • gotmike
            327 Rambler
            • Aug 31, 2008
            • 503

            #80
            thought i'd throw up some pics od my jeep lit up... the top lights only come on in reverse right now... but i'm going to put a jumper in w/ a switch when my hand heals...




            took my pintle hitch apart and cleaned it up inside and out... then i painted it and re-assembled it... it's all nice and purdy now...
            J.E.E.P
            Just Everyone Elses Parts!
            '77 Cherokee Chief
            w/ '92 12v cummins,
            NV4500
            NP 205
            e]
            Dana 60 Front axle
            Dana 70-HD Rear axle
            Build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=90702
            trailer build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?p=1314880&posted=1#post1314880

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            • gotmike
              327 Rambler
              • Aug 31, 2008
              • 503

              #81
              wanted to show my LED light install as well...

              first i drilled three holes in the taillight housing with the biggest hole saw that would fit...


              then i used some cardboard to make a pattern for the plate that would replace my taillight lense... and cut the plate to fit...


              then i painted up the plate... bolted it in place... and installed the lenses and grommets...



              just running lights


              brake lights


              still visable clearly from an angle as well...
              J.E.E.P
              Just Everyone Elses Parts!
              '77 Cherokee Chief
              w/ '92 12v cummins,
              NV4500
              NP 205
              e]
              Dana 60 Front axle
              Dana 70-HD Rear axle
              Build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=90702
              trailer build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?p=1314880&posted=1#post1314880

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              • gotmike
                327 Rambler
                • Aug 31, 2008
                • 503

                #82
                and i got some help installing my back seat finally...

                fits like a glove... and it can adjust forward if need be...


                it does sit a bit higher... but I can sit back there comfortably...


                i'm still not sure exactly what it came out of... i believe it's a ford expedition back seat... but with the quick release still under it it was way too high... so i bolted it directly to the floor instead w/ a 3/16" thick plate...
                J.E.E.P
                Just Everyone Elses Parts!
                '77 Cherokee Chief
                w/ '92 12v cummins,
                NV4500
                NP 205
                e]
                Dana 60 Front axle
                Dana 70-HD Rear axle
                Build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=90702
                trailer build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?p=1314880&posted=1#post1314880

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                • jeepjseries
                  350 Buick
                  • May 30, 2009
                  • 1418

                  #83
                  Looks great there, only wish i could install a Cummins in my Cherokee.
                  -2000 Volkswagen Jetta diesel
                  -1976 Wagoneer 401/Turbo 400/QT with 4 low/Dana 44s

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                  • gotmike
                    327 Rambler
                    • Aug 31, 2008
                    • 503

                    #84
                    gotmike. cummins cherokee, offroad, extreme driving, offroading


                    just a video from the other weekend...
                    J.E.E.P
                    Just Everyone Elses Parts!
                    '77 Cherokee Chief
                    w/ '92 12v cummins,
                    NV4500
                    NP 205
                    e]
                    Dana 60 Front axle
                    Dana 70-HD Rear axle
                    Build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=90702
                    trailer build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?p=1314880&posted=1#post1314880

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                    • gotmike
                      327 Rambler
                      • Aug 31, 2008
                      • 503

                      #85
                      here are some newer pic's
                      installed a winch in the front bumper...
                      cleaned up and re-supported the front clip first... when i cut out for my radiator i was running really short on time so i hand plaz'd it out and weakend the structure a bit... so i reinforced the bottom edge with some rectangular tubing to give it all a bit more rigidity...


                      then i welded in a piece of 3/8" plate between the bumper mounting channels to give me a good solid piece to mount the winch to..


                      back together waiting for another day to install the winch



                      winch all mounted up... wasn't much to it... drill four holes and bolt it down... going to build my own fairlead setup... the one that came with it seemed a bit narrow for the size of the drum on the winch...



                      she looks good on there...

                      J.E.E.P
                      Just Everyone Elses Parts!
                      '77 Cherokee Chief
                      w/ '92 12v cummins,
                      NV4500
                      NP 205
                      e]
                      Dana 60 Front axle
                      Dana 70-HD Rear axle
                      Build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=90702
                      trailer build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?p=1314880&posted=1#post1314880

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                      • Resbum
                        327 Rambler
                        • Jun 16, 2010
                        • 648

                        #86
                        Nice rig. Thanks for updating the thread.
                        Originally posted by Resbum
                        "What year is my truck?... Which part?" Build thread- http://www.fsjnetwork.com/forum/view...p=18290#p18290

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                        • gotmike
                          327 Rambler
                          • Aug 31, 2008
                          • 503

                          #87
                          Since i went hunting last year and brought back pictures, my wife wants to come with this year... so we bought a camper...



                          $500... it needs some work... but it was well worth the money... it's a '82 30' camper that sleep's 7... i get some real funny looks passing people pulling hills... lol...
                          J.E.E.P
                          Just Everyone Elses Parts!
                          '77 Cherokee Chief
                          w/ '92 12v cummins,
                          NV4500
                          NP 205
                          e]
                          Dana 60 Front axle
                          Dana 70-HD Rear axle
                          Build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=90702
                          trailer build thread: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?p=1314880&posted=1#post1314880

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                          • Resbum
                            327 Rambler
                            • Jun 16, 2010
                            • 648

                            #88
                            Niiiiiiiice!!!!!
                            Originally posted by Resbum
                            "What year is my truck?... Which part?" Build thread- http://www.fsjnetwork.com/forum/view...p=18290#p18290

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                            • Iceman0502
                              232 I6
                              • Oct 27, 2010
                              • 55

                              #89
                              Originally posted by gotmike
                              to fit the heater element in behind the turbo downpipe i had to modify the stock housing and put the heater core directly against the firewall... then i used some galvanized sheet metal and made a new cover to direct the air from the factory fan, through the core, and then into the factory heater ducting...
                              Mike, Can you post a picture of your modified heater box? I was thinking of doing something similar by making a box that houses the stock heater core and a heater valve in the hose. The box will always flow air through the heater core and I was thinking that the heater valve would control the temperature by reducing the amount of water going to the heater core. I'm not sure this will work, but looking for ideas other than buying a underdash heater.

                              Thanks
                              1982 Wagoneer - 12V Cummins - In Progress

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