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  • jMedia
    350 Buick
    • May 27, 2009
    • 846

    AX15 or AW4 swap Help

    As the title reads I have a few questions before I dive into a swap
    Money and difficulty of swap aside, what do you guys think would be the best for a DD 88 GW v8?
    Also how would I need to change my 3.31 ratio to best take advantage of the transmissions?

    Thanks
    Joshua
    1988 Grand Wagoneer "Elwood"(thanks krek)
    Constantly changing, never done
  • addicted
    Big Meanie
    • Dec 11, 2004
    • 4876

    #2
    The AW4 is going to be your cheapest and easiest way. It will keep it auto and require less parts to find and pay for.

    The best ratio IMO for it would be 3.73:1, it will keep the engine in it's power band better, allow you to tow stuff and get decent mileage.
    Originally posted by Ristow
    i bet it was Simon....
    he's such big meanie that way...
    please don't tell him i said that....

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    • mattmopar440
      AMC 4 OH! 1
      • May 17, 2007
      • 4092

      #3
      T-5 would be the easiest just fine a 80 j20/j10
      87' Grand Wagoneer
      401/727/229, Currently:RUNNING
      84 J10/20 hybrid 258/727/208 Daily Driver
      80' J10 4BT/AX-15/208
      74' J10 Go Grabber Green Sold
      Originally posted by Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81
      Inferior Chevy

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      • jMedia
        350 Buick
        • May 27, 2009
        • 846

        #4
        Originally posted by addicted
        The AW4 is going to be your cheapest and easiest way. It will keep it auto and require less parts to find and pay for.

        The best ratio IMO for it would be 3.73:1, it will keep the engine in it's power band better, allow you to tow stuff and get decent mileage.
        If I don't tow ever(no other goodies to tow yet) is that still the best ratio? Looking for best mileage
        Joshua
        1988 Grand Wagoneer "Elwood"(thanks krek)
        Constantly changing, never done

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        • lkmarsh
          350 Buick
          • Nov 21, 2008
          • 1220

          #5
          One step at a time. Swap in the transmission of choice and see how it works with your engine and axles. Run a few tanks of gas through it to see what mileage you get and plan a gear swap if needed. 3.31s are good for highway cruising so run with them for a while and see how you like it.
          Lyle

          Seemed like a good idea at the time...
          69 1414x Wagoneer 350/TH400 DD & Ski Ride
          68 Chevelle wagon 350/BWT50
          68 Impala wagon 327/400
          73 Cougar droptop 351C/FMX Garage Queen
          04 Impala LS - Wife's DD
          73 Wagoneer parts donor

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          • #6
            I agree. I had 3.36's in my Chevelle with a 700R4 and it was perfect for what I wanted, 3.73 made first gear too short. This was with 275/60/15 tires, which are 28" tall.

            If you are running taller tires, 3.55's or 3.73's will be needed. My wife's XJ with 31" tries didn't like hills much with overdrive and the stock 3.55's.
            Last edited by Chevelleguy; 06-08-2009, 07:07 AM.
            David "If all else fails, read the instructions."
            83 Wag Lt,BJ's 6"lift,360/727/Pinned229,D44/trac-lok,AMC20/lock-right,35/12.50 Baja MTZ,Pro-Jection EFI.
            10$ NP229 fix http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=2520

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            • addicted
              Big Meanie
              • Dec 11, 2004
              • 4876

              #7
              The vehicles main use will dictate what gears will be better. If it is going to see a lot of highway use then the 3.31's might just be perfect but if it is going to be used for a lot of stop and go a deeper gear will get things in the power band and keep the engine from lugging all the time and if stop and go is it's main use then putting an OD trans in it will be a waste of time and money since you will rarely see speeds high enough for long enough to utilize OD and it's benefits.
              Originally posted by Ristow
              i bet it was Simon....
              he's such big meanie that way...
              please don't tell him i said that....

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              • jMedia
                350 Buick
                • May 27, 2009
                • 846

                #8
                Originally posted by addicted
                The vehicles main use will dictate what gears will be better. If it is going to see a lot of highway use then the 3.31's might just be perfect but if it is going to be used for a lot of stop and go a deeper gear will get things in the power band and keep the engine from lugging all the time and if stop and go is it's main use then putting an OD trans in it will be a waste of time and money since you will rarely see speeds high enough for long enough to utilize OD and it's benefits.
                Its used for some stop and go around town, but i do go a longer road trips quite often so it'll see highway use a lot
                Joshua
                1988 Grand Wagoneer "Elwood"(thanks krek)
                Constantly changing, never done

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                • addicted
                  Big Meanie
                  • Dec 11, 2004
                  • 4876

                  #9
                  Then yeah I would say go for the swap, drive it for a while and if you find the performance is just awful or at least not up to your standards swap the gears out for some 3.54's
                  Originally posted by Ristow
                  i bet it was Simon....
                  he's such big meanie that way...
                  please don't tell him i said that....

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                  • jMedia
                    350 Buick
                    • May 27, 2009
                    • 846

                    #10
                    Originally posted by addicted
                    Then yeah I would say go for the swap, drive it for a while and if you find the performance is just awful or at least not up to your standards swap the gears out for some 3.54's
                    If driven correctly, could I get better mileage out of the manual?
                    Joshua
                    1988 Grand Wagoneer "Elwood"(thanks krek)
                    Constantly changing, never done

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                    • grand_wag_85
                      Murphy's Law Poster Child
                      • Dec 03, 2003
                      • 10719

                      #11
                      AX-15 is a great tranny but I have heard horror stories about guys gernading them with mildly built AMC V-8's. I dunno if it's true or not but like others have said an AW4 would be the best and easiest swap to do.
                      You know it's bad when your car's on the EPA's 10 most wanted list!

                      '82 J10
                      '88 GW
                      '77 J10 Golden Eagle 401


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                      • grand_wag_85
                        Murphy's Law Poster Child
                        • Dec 03, 2003
                        • 10719

                        #12
                        Originally posted by jMedia
                        If driven correctly, could I get better mileage out of the manual?
                        Yes! I had a 90 XJ with a 4.0, AX-15, NP231 and 3.05 gearing. On a trip from PA to NC I averaged 32MPG. I was never able to do it again after that but my mileage was typically above 22MPG and my buddy's XJ would manage 17MPG and the only thing different was the tranny and gearing.

                        With fuel injection maybe you can get 15 or 16 with a GW
                        You know it's bad when your car's on the EPA's 10 most wanted list!

                        '82 J10
                        '88 GW
                        '77 J10 Golden Eagle 401


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                        • #13
                          I remember 19-21mpg out of our 2WD XJ with the AX-15. Our 4WD with the AW4 got 17 also.
                          David "If all else fails, read the instructions."
                          83 Wag Lt,BJ's 6"lift,360/727/Pinned229,D44/trac-lok,AMC20/lock-right,35/12.50 Baja MTZ,Pro-Jection EFI.
                          10$ NP229 fix http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=2520

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                          • grand_wag_85
                            Murphy's Law Poster Child
                            • Dec 03, 2003
                            • 10719

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Chevelleguy
                            I remember 19-21mpg out of our 2WD XJ with the AX-15. Our 4WD with the AW4 got 17 also.
                            Must have been a fun Jeep assuming it had the 4.0
                            You know it's bad when your car's on the EPA's 10 most wanted list!

                            '82 J10
                            '88 GW
                            '77 J10 Golden Eagle 401


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                            • jMedia
                              350 Buick
                              • May 27, 2009
                              • 846

                              #15
                              Everyone keeps pushing me away from the ax15 swap, is it really difficult? Is there an easier OD manual to put in?
                              Joshua
                              1988 Grand Wagoneer "Elwood"(thanks krek)
                              Constantly changing, never done

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