Found in the Bottom of the Transmission Pan/Filter

[spduffee]

Hi All!
Getting a lot done on the Wagoneer lately. The 360 is out, the engine compartment is clean, floorboards 1/2 way finished, flexplate arrived for the 304-install. I figured I'd change the transmission fluid/filter. When I pulled off the pan, this is what I found. Not at all what I expected. Am I unhappy? Does anyone know what this plastic-like stuff is? Where did it come from?


Thanks for your input.

[King Zarkon]

Can't see anything at that link...

[spduffee]

My bad. I had my wifi turned off and the photos did not upload.
Should be able to see them now.
Thanks for looking!

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1WSLwbMBAq6Spy9Ps3hiwaCYA2q8bO-UC

[Ristow]

Clutch and/or band lining. Rebuild time .

[spduffee]

Clutch and/or band lining. Rebuild time .

Is that all? Here I thought it was going to be bad news...
Oh well...halfway there already.
What kind of rebuild kit should I buy? There seem to be several options - Basic, Deluxe, Super Deluxe, Super Deluxe with Extra Super Deluxe Useless Crap, High Performance, Street & Strip, Rock Maniac.....

[Carnuck]

Get the kit with bands or get them separate. What’s the end use? The torque converter will be crapped up as well. I would consider AW4 conversion if you will be highway running.

[Ristow]

TCI makes a good kit. Will have the front band. Rear band should not be needed. I would put a bolt in spray in as well .

[spduffee]

TCI makes a good kit. Will have the front band. Rear band should not be needed. I would put a bolt in spray in as well .

Thank you both. Did you mean "sprag" (...bolt in spray...)? Aren't they part of the torque converter?

I guess my question was premature anyway. I should tear it down and see what's all fubar before buying the parts...

I'm afraid now that when I pull the transmission I'll discover the driveshaft is held together with superglue, or my np204 will disintegrate....The joy and privilege.....

[Carnuck]

The sprague is at the very back of the main case. There is a lockup update that gets 55-60 mph before locking. There are two different converters. I can tell from the valvebody or tip of the trans input shaft that goes into the converter. TCI probably has the first and second lower gear sets for the planetaries. Run a higher stall lockup and it will feel like a 4 speed auto even with 2.73 gears.

[Ristow]

Yeah sprag. Autocorrect messed it up.

[spduffee]

Hi again! All the parts inside the TF 727 check out fine except the one band, whose lining fell apart. I have 2 questions for anyone in the know:
1- the front clutch assembly is supposed to have (according to ATSG manual) a "wave" snap ring at the top of the pressure plate. Mine is flat, obviously a "selective" type. Did the previous owner get lazy, or does it not matter?
2- the rear clutch plates have 10 teeth that fit into 12 slots of the housing. The manual mentions nothing of their orientation. Do the two areas with the voids match up on top of each other, or do they go in without matching them up? I did not realize this when I took them out. They remain in the same order, just don't know how they line up.
Once I get these answers I can put it all together.
Thank you very much,
Shawn

[Ristow]

as i recall....the wave ring softens the shift. so don't worry about it.
it would not matter on the clutch plates if the voids were lined up. what brand kit didyou get,i don't recall TCI kits having voided tabs on the clutches.

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=92183

[spduffee]

Thanks very much Ristow! That makes sense with the wave ring. I may just get one, since I received the wrong reverse band and have to wait for that...
The steels were in great shape, so I did not buy new ones. In fact everything, except the one band, looks like new. I only saw one spot where a band lining piece was dragged against the drum on the way out. So I don't know what brand they are. All my new parts/gaskets are standard Pioneer, etc. Nothing special.

[FSJunkie]

The rear band doesn't take much stress in normal use. It only grabs for reverse and to give engine braking in manual 1st. Lots of downshifting to manual 1st where the vehicle has to rev up the engine wears the rear band as does abusive shifting into reverse, which tends to piss off the roller clutch too. Backing out the driveway in reverse then shifting into drive while still rolling backwards will really tear up the roller clutch.

Meanwhile, the front band is literally second gear. It wears any time a shift is made in or out of second gear.

[spduffee]

Thanks FSJunkie. The reverse band definitely aged better, was even thinking about re-using it for a second. Obviously I did buy a new one.