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bkilby 01-21-2016 11:47 PM

74 Chief Restore
 
Hi folks. I bought this Cherokee Chief on 1-7-2016 as a project vehicle. The PO had the engine rebuilt, put it in the Jeep and stopped. The trans and tcase were out of the vehicle when I bought it. I decided to pull the engine back out, go through it a little and clean it up (paint). I got to a point that I needed to order a couple of parts so I decided it was a good idea to pull the body and get the frame sand blasted and that's where I'm at now. I just got it back from sand blast today. What started off as a "put it together quickly" plan turned into a frame off project. Lol! Anyways, just thought I'd share some pics and info of our progress.







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bkilby 01-22-2016 12:12 AM

The frame as it came back from sand blast. I chose a self etching primer, just happened to be green. Looks cool now but will be satin black when done.
I found a crack in the frame just behind the DS front spring hanger that will get fixed tomorrow. All in all, besides the previous owner snot welds, the frame is in great shape.






Auburnmark 01-22-2016 12:14 AM

Nice shop.. nice lift.. no reason not to do frame off :thumbsup: Looks good so far, great progress. I'll be watching. Smog exempt 401?? Lucky guy!

Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81 01-22-2016 03:32 AM

Looking great! Wish I had the resources to do mine like this.
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Originally Posted by bkilby
I found a crack in the frame just behind the DS front spring hanger that will get fixed tomorrow.

Pretty common on these FSJs, my frame has cracks all over it as well. I just bought a welder to repair them.
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Originally Posted by bkilby
All in all, besides the previous owner snot welds, the frame is in great shape.

Funny, but those booger welds are more than likely factory. Quality control at AMC was pretty terrible. The welds that are supposed to hold the seam together on the front passenger section of my frame don't even cover the seam so it's literally just loosely held together by the front shackle mount.

Strode 01-22-2016 05:00 AM

Nice !

bkilby 01-22-2016 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Auburnmark
Nice shop.. nice lift.. no reason not to do frame off :thumbsup: Looks good so far, great progress. I'll be watching. Smog exempt 401?? Lucky guy!


No such luck here. It is an original 401 Jeep but the 401 is gone and a 360 took its place. I have no idea where the original engine is.

bkilby 01-22-2016 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81
Funny, but those booger welds are more than likely factory. Quality control at AMC was pretty terrible. The welds that are supposed to hold the seam together on the front passenger section of my frame don't even cover the seam so it's literally just loosely held together by the front shackle mount.


I was wondering if some of that was factory welds. They (or someone) used a real splatter box. Lol! I know things like the shackles, spring hangers etc are not only riveted but welded too. Some not so good. I'll be fixing that up soon.

So, I need new bushings for the springs and shackles. Anyone know where to get Urethane? It seems the rear springs are a bit funky on their size of bushings.

Auburnmark 01-23-2016 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bkilby
No such luck here. It is an original 401 Jeep but the 401 is gone and a 360 took its place. I have no idea where the original engine is.


Ahh.. oh well nice rig anyway. Surprised to see the stress crack in frame. Now I know why they beefed up these frames around year 77 (I think).
BJ's should have the bushings you need.
http://www.bjsoffroad.com/Poly-Rear-...91_p_1341.html

bkilby 01-24-2016 09:56 AM

Thanks for the link! I'll have to call them to see if it's the correct size. If the pic is accurate, i don't think it'll work.

bkilby 01-25-2016 11:43 PM

So as it turns out, BJ's doesn't have the Urethane bushing I want. Seems nobody does. Looks like I might have to buy the stock rubber replacements. I have the Prothane body bushings ordered but it looks like they're going to be wrong too. Oh the joy. Frame has been painted, just waiting to figure out the bushings so we can put the body back on the frame.


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cu4whln 01-26-2016 07:04 PM

Stop slacking off Brad!

Get to work !!:fsj:

bkilby 01-26-2016 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cu4whln
Stop slacking off Brad!

Get to work !!:fsj:


Yeah yeah. Am I not moving fast enough for you? Lol! :p

bkilby 01-26-2016 10:16 PM

Great news for me. I found a local shop that ordered all the suspension bushings that I need. I should see them in a couple of days. As I was on the phone, I'm Googling part numbers and came across a thread on this site where someone already posted all the part numbers with dimensions that I need! Doh! Lol! Oh well, I book marked the thread for future reference although I've solved the problem already. Buying suspension and body bushings for a '74 is not easy. :eek:

SJTD 01-27-2016 09:21 AM

Doesn't BJ's have the body mounts?

I thought the only difference was the number of mounts and the kit came with enough for the earlier bodies.

bkilby 01-27-2016 10:52 PM

I'm not sure. I called BJ's again today but they were closed. I did get the Prothane kit in today and there's nothing in that box that will work on this Jeep unless mods come into play. Everyone of their bushings require a 1.375" hole for the bushing to slip through. My frame has 1", 1.125" and .875 holes. Besides that, I know of 3 mounts (per side) that probably couldn't use them anyhow even if I did open the holes up. Which I might have to do.....

Today brought us to hang brake tubing, install steering gear box, bump stops etc. A lot of bead blasting and painting parts today. Oh and those suspension bushings I ordered yesterday came in today. :) Burned the bushings out of the rear shackles and pressed in the new ones. The front shackles are quite a bit thinner in material than the rear although the overall dimensions appear to be the same so I'm going to look for another set of the rear shackles for the front before putting new bushings in. Tomorrow is junk yard shopping for parts. :thumbsup:

cu4whln 01-28-2016 07:36 PM

I love junkyard hunting... have fun !

bkilby 01-28-2016 11:11 PM

Had lots of fun! Bought a tailgate to rob for the regulators and swap to electric. Hopefully.... Bought a gas tank skid that doesn't fit and picked up a York mount, PS mount and some other odd balls. I had the York and PS mount but mine were repaired with JB weld, figured clean stuff is better.

They do have a nice clean dash in a J truck that needs to be purchased before the sun kills it. No cracks that I can see. Pics coming!

bkilby 01-28-2016 11:17 PM

Dash pics. Anyone need a clean dash?

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SJTD 01-29-2016 10:15 AM

That isn't a "pull your own" type of place is it.

Only one left in the Valley that I know of is on Pendleton and I've never seen a FSJ there.

lycanthrope 01-29-2016 10:45 AM

Yes
 
I need that dashpad.

Thanks for the pics.

bkilby 01-29-2016 02:31 PM

Normally no but since I know the guys well, they let me roam around.

bkilby 01-29-2016 03:07 PM

So a couple of days ago, we bead blasted the rear shackles, pressed new bushing in and spray painted them all pretty. Now I've seemed to have lost one. Doh! We've been looking all around the warehouse, went back to the junk yard....notta. :rolleyes: Now what to do... besides continue looking that is. Lol!

lycanthrope 01-29-2016 04:26 PM

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Normally no but since I know the guys well, they let me roam around.



I called, they said they didn't have anything that old.....'77. Or '84.

bkilby 01-29-2016 11:34 PM

Lol! That's funny. I guess I'm imagining the parts I'm looking at. They're open from 9-2 tomorrow (Saturday) and I need to go back to find that shackle I miss placed. You're welcome to join me to look at the parts they don't have. :)

bkilby 02-02-2016 02:26 PM

So I finally got my MTS tank and parts in today. Nice looking stuff. Only problem is, the lower fill hose is 1.5" ID and the fill tube on the tank is 2" OD. Lol! :banghead:

bkilby 02-07-2016 01:32 PM

Waiting for parts is always annoying. Since I never found the lost shackle, we bummed one from the junk yard but had to order the bushings again. They should be in tomorrow so we can set the back down on the axle. Also waiting for engine parts from Bulltear but got impatient and got the engine put on the frame the other day. Also still need body bushings. I received some great help from Crown Automotive in ID'ing the Jeep part numbers, just need to find the parts now.

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bkilby 02-11-2016 10:52 PM

So as mentioned in another thread, we were having issues with the engine and trans combo lining up with their proper holes. I ended up pulling the C channel bracket for the trans mount and stuck it in the Iron Worker and slotted the holes. Everything lines up great now.

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Since we're still waiting for parts to show up, we decided to take the junk yard gas tank skid and modify it to fit this Jeep. I have no idea what year this skid came from but my frame had no holes so holes need to be drilled. Since we're modifying it, I decided to do it my way and shrink the overall size of the skid to fit the MTS tank and get rid of excess steel. We then created "walls" to box in the skid to make it stronger. Since the bottom was .125, we used .125 for the walls as well. We're not done yet but should be done tomorrow. Cut the skid down, create walls to box it in, create new mounts....It's all good when you have a CNC plasma machine laying around. :thumbsup:

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bkilby 02-11-2016 10:55 PM

More pics tomorrow if I remember to take them. Lol!

cu4whln 02-13-2016 10:06 PM

You better post more pics Bradly . . .

bkilby 02-13-2016 10:57 PM

Not much to post yet Jimmy. :D I tried to finish the skid today but was feeling a little under the weather. :eek:

Almost done though. Just need to create another attaching point and straps for the tank, then paint.

In progress pics.

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bkilby 02-13-2016 11:03 PM

Anybody know how to decipher the paint and interior codes? I'm more curious to find out what the original paint job looked like.

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cu4whln 02-14-2016 11:01 AM

Try here ..

http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/index.html

bkilby 02-14-2016 12:40 PM

Thanks, but I don't see what I'm looking for.

autogatto 02-14-2016 01:41 PM

519 indicates the two tone green paint.

bkilby 02-14-2016 05:56 PM

So the darker paint on the hood is suppose to be like that?

jeepman1 02-14-2016 06:17 PM

Looking good!
 
Man, that looks nice! if you have the ability and space, might as well do it right!

autogatto 02-14-2016 09:41 PM

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So the darker paint on the hood is suppose to be like that?


No 519 indicates that it was green with the white roof. I doubt that the darker green hood (that i just noticed now from your first picture) is stock.

bkilby 02-15-2016 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jeepman1
Man, that looks nice! if you have the ability and space, might as well do it right!


Thanks jeepman1! :)

bkilby 02-15-2016 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by autogatto
No 519 indicates that it was green with the white roof. I doubt that the darker green hood (that i just noticed now from your first picture) is stock.


Oh gotcha. Thanks for the info! Is there a place on line that decodes this stuff?


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