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The PIG Smith 12-29-2007 08:13 PM

I drove my new J10 for 50 miles (long post)
 
As some of you may know, I have been looking for a Daily Driver replacement for my ‘99 for a while.

My 1999 Grand Cherokee Limited (WJ)
My WJ has some serious issues. I’ve had major issues with both its front and rear brakes.
I paid big $$$ and installed updated Mopar rotors (are suppose to correct rotor warpage)
with Stillen cross drilled rotors and Stillen pads.
I still have rotor warpage.
I have had the front hubs replaced multiple times.
Bushings and the ball joint for the rear suspension needs replaced; basically the rear suspension assembly needs rebuilt.
When going around a curve, like an Interstate exit ramp, the rear of the WJ will fishtail and get squirrelly.
Other smaller, but annoying problems, like the A/C, heated leather seats and the several stereo speakers do not work.
The rear door gaskets are shot and leaks wind/water.
In August, I was T-Boned and the drivers door and front fenders were damaged.
The door will shut and latch, but it badly bowed and has a 2 inch gap around the top.
Its 4.0L I6 runs great.

1982 Jeep J10
So, while looking, I found an excellent deal for a 1982 J10 pickup on Craigslist,
not far from my parents and my wife’s parents home.
The seller was a widow and it was her late husband’s truck.
He passed away in September and it has sat in the driveway, only used by a neighbor once to haul a tiller.







This J10 is powered by a AMC 360 V8 and is backed by a TF727 and NP219.
Some of its amenities are: A/C (converted to R134), cruise, tilt wheel and rear sliding glass window.
Not mounted, but included is a factory brush bar and the original Muscle Bar grill and shell.
It has power windows and door locks, but I wonder if the doors came from a Wagoneer,
for it sports a Pignose grill from a Wagoneer.
It has burgundy interior, with a super nice black dash pad, black sports steering wheel and black A/C vents/controls.
Its burgundy head liner is in nice shape
The burgundy passenger door panel is in okay condition while the driver’s door panel is missing.
The only original seat is the driver’s side black and grey clothe bucket and is in fair shape.
The passenger seat is a very nice maroon clothe seat from a van and its mate for the driver’s seat was included.
Its long bed is covered with a white truck cap.

I spoke with the owner a few times on the phone, made a deposit and arranged for a pickup, December 28 at 1:00PM.
She called a few days before the pickup to let me know that she drove around the block and it was running rough.
She told me that after I saw it, that if I did not want it, that I could back out and she would refund my deposit.
I arrived on time, to discover that what I thought was a dirty white truck,
was really a black truck that the outside had sprayed primer gray. (I like black!)
It was nearly rest free, with some rust in the outside bed seam, and a couple of small spots on the lower fenders.
The seam at the bottom of the doors has rusted open.
It started fine, with a slight rough idle.
After the transaction, I drove down to the local Go-mart for a small bit of gas (high price)
and discovered some vacuum lines laying loose.
I found a screw in the cab, plugged the hose feeding all the others and the idle smoothed right out.

Disaster
I drove from Fairmont, WV to Weston, WV where I filled up with gas at Sheetz.
I left Weston, where at near mile marker 85, I was following a red Chevy Colbalt.
In the passing lane was a tan-ish minivan and my wife was following in our KIA.
I was thinking what a good deal I made and how well this truck was running, how nice it rode, tracked straight,
when the red Colbalt, changed lanes, sorta cutting off the minivan, and continued onto the median.
When the Colbalt’s wheels dropped off the inside lane shoulder,
the driver jerked the wheel back to the right, lost control and shot back across the Interstate and into the guard rail.
The collision with the guardrail bounced the Colbalt right in my path.
I saw it coming, applied the brakes, but it was to late.
I hit the Colbalt square in the drivers door.
I limped the J10 down to the rest area and walked back to the crash site, where three WVDOT trucks had stopped to assist.
The driver was a middle aged female and surprisingly was not hurt, as she only complained of a headache.
EMT and VFD arrived, then we all stood in the now rain as we waited for the law enforcement to show up.
The other driver waited in a WVDOT truck.
The Lewis County Sheriff Deputy filled out the accident report, charged the other driver with Failure to Maintain Control
and for the fault of the accident.
The distance, right at 50 miles from where I picked up the J10 to the accident site.
Time, about 2 hours.
50 miles and 2 hours! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to me!
I am such a major loser!

The Damage
The J10's passenger side fender is pealed back.
The passenger side corner of the hood and radiator core support in the headlight area are hurt bad.
The radiator core support from the radiator to the driver side is fine.
The hood is jammed to the back and to the left.
It will not open and I'm sure it will need to be cut off.
The worst looking part is the axle is pushed back on the passenger side about 2 inches
But the underneath is fine: the frame is not bent; steering assembly is fine; the spring is fine.
The Deputy allowed me to park the J10 in rest area for the weekend.
Today, my father and I went back to dolly home the J10.
While upon the Dolly, I saw where the collision caused the passenger side front spring shackle to be rotated up,
instead of hanging down like on the driver's side.
All it would take would be to somehow ‘pop’ the shackle back in its normal position
and the front end mechanicals would be (should be) fine.
It still runs fine and I drove it up and off the Dolly.
It is parked at my parents house, waiting on the Insurance adjuster to come out and check out the damage.
I fear I will be in for a fight to have my J10 not to be declared totaled, but have it repaired.






fulsizjeep 12-29-2007 08:20 PM

Very sad Bryan! :( Glad you were not damaged personally.
That is a heckuva story too! 50 miles... dangit. :banghead:

JeepBountyHunter 12-29-2007 08:30 PM

Awwwwww JEEEZ....
Well glad you werent' hurt..and I know all too well how you have sorely been hunting for one of these.
I'm looking at the pic's and seeing something that is fixable..
What the insurance says..might be a different story, but I wish you the best of luck there.
Aaron

Mahamotorworks 12-29-2007 08:32 PM

Having been in the Paint and body bussiness they will because of the age of the vehicle, try and total it. After the adjuster has a estimate in hand, and he tell you it is totaled. Tell him you want to take the money and keep the truck. You will probably get less then what the repair would cost but you will have some cash in hand to look for parts. I know that there are some realy nice people here that may have a fender that they dont need any more. My only concern from the pics you took is the spring. If the shackle is moved like it is then some thing had to give on the other side of the axle. With out looking at it I would say you will need a new set of front springs. It dosent look like you will need to have the frame straightened. so you should be able to do most of the work your self.

It is a great find. I almost called to find out more info about the truck but decided it was too far for me to pick up. Good luck.

MAHA

Ristow 12-29-2007 08:37 PM

yeah,fix it then paint it flat black!

Gambler68 12-29-2007 08:48 PM

aw for f's sake that blows :mad:

yeah total it out and take the buyback. Then go junkyard/for sale shoppin'. One thing to LOOK CLOSELY AT: your upper cab corner on the side that got hit. If that's crinkled in forget about anything ever lining up. and check your cab mounts, hits like that shear bolts. Shock mounts can bend too, really check everything with a good staredown (after a few shots to calm down) :) I've parted out an 82 J10 that had a fairly worse hit than that, heck, the frame was a foot out of of square :P Doesnt take much to zigzag em with a corner hit.

Good luck and post up wanted parts when you need em, sure we'll all help out.

Geeeep 12-29-2007 10:55 PM

That bites, hopefully you can work it out to keep it if it's still unbent.

I have a front clip (though it's in central PA) if you end up looking for one (might have the bumper too but I'd have to check).

JeremySmith 12-30-2007 01:07 AM

Wow - thats too bad. It looks fairly salvagable though. Expecially if you want the front clip I have in my back yard. I picked it up from craig last summer, mainly because it was attached to the boobie grill I bought, and it was in too good of shape to go to the scrapper, which was where it was heading if I didn't take it. If you're interested, I'll go snap some pics when the sun comes up. Price? Well I've been asking myself why I drug it home, so you can have it after I grab the grill.

J10Mike 12-30-2007 01:22 AM

Bry,
I am very happy to hear that nobody was hurt.
But...Dam man. if you didn't have bad luck, you wouldn't have any luck at all.
Maybe it's time you went to the "Darkside".

janie 12-30-2007 07:21 AM

Bryan, the most important thing is, your okay. The J-10 can get fixed. You know where to ask for parts.;)

Take care

The PIG Smith 12-30-2007 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremySmith
Wow - thats too bad. It looks fairly salvagable though. Expecially if you want the front clip I have in my back yard. I picked it up from craig last summer, mainly because it was attached to the boobie grill I bought, and it was in too good of shape to go to the scrapper, which was where it was heading if I didn't take it. If you're interested, I'll go snap some pics when the sun comes up. Price? Well I've been asking myself why I drug it home, so you can have it after I grab the grill.


Thanx.
I think I will take you up on this offer.
Later, I'll send you a PM.

drlocke 12-30-2007 07:53 AM

Gads! I thought I had a bad day yesterday. But nothing like that. :eek:

Hope the adjuster is kind to you, and that things can get put right.

The PIG Smith 12-30-2007 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J10Mike
Bry,
I am very happy to hear that nobody was hurt.
But...Dam man. if you didn't have bad luck, you wouldn't have any luck at all.
Maybe it's time you went to the "Darkside".

LOL!
Yes, I've thinking along those lines also.
I must not being right or something...

I told my kids, that we (I) need to look at the positives of life, which are hard to to do when you are going through rough stretch.
Was easy to tell my kids this, leaving the accident site in our KIA, but is hard to put into practice.
I was thinking, the few hundred dollars I saved and scrounged and worked for: Gone.
I still have my DD problem to solve and now I have other "project" that I really did not need.
I need to listen to own words, be strong for my family and myself.

In reality, the positives are: that my oldest daughter and I were wearing our seat beats and
that we were not hurt and the other driver was not hurt.
(another positive: they very nice black seat belts and buckles! :) )

It is truly a wonder that we escaped any injury.
When I went back to get the J10, I brought a camera to take some pics of the guardrail this lady hit.

Other blessings are wonderful friends I have here and that maybe, a huge maybe, I will get some insurance $$$.

When I get my J10 fixed, I do want to get that bumper sticker that says, "My crumple zone is your car."

I drove that crippled J10 to the Rest area.
The Colbat was destroyed.
The lady had to crawl out of the passenger side, for the mighty J10 caved in the driver's side,
broke out all the rear and side glass, broke both spindles as the wheels were just laying over, loose.
It was bad.
The Colbat, hauled away on a roll back, the scrapper's torch is its fate.

fulsizjeep 12-30-2007 08:07 AM

There ya go Bryan; another positive spin. The front clip is really very easy to swap as a complete unit. The Cobalt does not have that option.

janie 12-30-2007 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fulsizjeep
There ya go Bryan; another positive spin. The front clip is really very easy to swap as a complete unit. The Cobalt does not have that option.


Yup, ditto to what Flint just said. Bryan, I've got an extra pignose here if you need it.

OBX-AUTOMOTIVE 12-30-2007 08:21 AM

SIMPLE! NOT YOUR FALT,YOU HOLD ALL THE CARDS...RIGHT? :thumbsup: ...DO THIS,WHEN THE ADJUSTER COMES TO YOUR HOUSE,ANSWER THE DOOR LOOKING LIKE THIS >> :D :D I'M GLAD YOUR OK!!!!!:)

The PIG Smith 12-30-2007 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mahamotorworks
My only concern from the pics you took is the spring. If the shackle is moved like it is then some thing had to give on the other side of the axle. With out looking at it I would say you will need a new set of front springs. It dosent look like you will need to have the frame straightened. so you should be able to do most of the work your self.

Talk to me more about this.
I looked at it hard while it was up on the dolly.
I could not still where anything was broke or bent or damaged in any way.
Just the passenger axle as articulated in a bazaar way and got stuck in the position.
I think a large bar or rotate that shackle back in place, it appears to me that is will be good to go.
If I had the $$$, I would go for a lift kit and not mess with it.
If the springs are damaged, there are plenty of stock OE Waggie springs that I could get to replace this damaged ones.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mahamotorworks
It is a great find. I almost called to find out more info about the truck but decided it was too far for me to pick up. Good luck.

Well, I also thought it was a great find.
I got it for an excellent price.
You would not believe how smooth it ran, no knocks, misses, pings, taps, nothing.
Maybe you should have gotten it and saved me all this grief.
But then again, with insurance $$$ and with friends help, I may come out with a very nice and inexpensive DD.

OBX-AUTOMOTIVE 12-30-2007 08:43 AM

SIMPLE PART #2...JUST FLIP THE SHACKLE BACK IN PLACE .THEN MEASURE EACH SIDE FROM REAR AXLE TO FRONT AXLE AND SEE WHAT MEASUREMENT YOU HAVE!...IF THEY MATCH/UP YOUR GOOD TO GO!...:)

Tonka J200 12-30-2007 08:44 AM

Wow, Bryan- Glad you and your daughter are OK.

I wish you luck with the insurance company! Stick to your guns!

Rogue 12-30-2007 09:03 AM

glad you're alright Bryan, next time take the back roads! that sucks the big1111 :banghead:

fulsizjeep 12-30-2007 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The PIG Smith



There should be a No Right Turn sign at the beginning of the picture on the right. :D She is very lucky she did not hit just a little further down where the sturdier rail begins. She got some crumple zone outa the one she nailed. ;)

DieselSJ 12-30-2007 11:07 AM

As others have said, we are glad that you are OK.

Stuka 12-30-2007 12:58 PM

I 'tapped' a civic a few years back and the same thing happened to the passenger side shackle on my J10. Only for me it basically lifted that side of the truck up, it didnt move back at all. When I righted the shackle, the spring was bent a little. Although I drove it for another year with the spring making the passenger side a little taller than the driver side.

With your axle being back so far, you better check and make sure the axle pin didnt sheer, and that the rear spring mount didnt crack.

ComancheRob 12-30-2007 04:59 PM

its fixable, be glad you weren't the other way around in this equation, 'cause alot of times, bodies arent that fixable.

and x2 on the bumper sticker suggestion :D

The PIG Smith 12-30-2007 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janie
Bryan, I've got an extra pignose here if you need it.

Hmmmmm...I need to think about this.
Snap a few pics of it please.

At first, I thought a pignosed grill looked sorta/kinda silly.
The original muscle grill and shell were included with the sale, so I have them if I choose to use them.
But, the pignose grill sorta grew on me, the short I've owned it.
Sadly, this pignose grill and the pignose grill I had on an '82 Wagoneer Limited, were in shape (plastic not broke)
but the chrome plating was cracked and looked as if was starting to peal in a some spots.

Mahamotorworks 12-30-2007 10:37 PM

About the spring moving. The shackle is 3 or 4 inches long. Your spring moved back 3 of 4 inches. If you axle is twistwed weird then you probabaly just have a bent spring and will have to replace it. With out looking at it or having more photos to look at I really cant tell what happened. Either way good luck with the repairs on it keep us posted.

MAHA

Millerluck 12-31-2007 12:29 PM

Wow Bryan, glad everyone is ok.

I thought I was the only one that has that kind of luck.:banghead:

If you want my hood off my 88 you can have it. It has some dents but its solid.

Larry

Jayrodoh 12-31-2007 12:48 PM

Man Bryan, if it wasn't for bad luck you'd have no luck it seems! Glad nobody was hurt. Hopefully you can pop the shackle to fix the axle, don't know how it could move back though without bending the spring at the rear though. Should be able to find a stock spring easily.

I've got a good front bumper and a valance you can have if you need. Let me know and we'll figure out shipping or something. Coming back to the zoo anytime soon?

Carl Rasmussen 12-31-2007 01:11 PM

I think you Spring is fine. That happens to My J10 all of the time when I 4 wheel it. I just Jack it up and with a tire Iron pop the sring back down.

FYI they drive like crap when they are like that. if you were closer I would offer you a hood.

jeepdad56 12-31-2007 10:04 PM

Glad nobody was hurt. Is it me or everytime we get in a Jtruck it's an adventure??:eek: :eek: Better the Jtruck than the Kia hitting it....
In an hour it will be last years headache...HNY!!

The PIG Smith 01-11-2008 04:34 PM

Update
 
My father and I dollied my J10 back to my parents and that is where it is stored for now.

The adjuster came at looked at my truck on Monday.
He told Dad that he had never seen a Jeep J10 pickup before.
So, I wonder to myself, how can he actually write a report about the damage if has never seen a J10 before?

He told Dad that he thought the radiator might be busted.
But of course, I already knew the rad was not hurt.
The Radiator Core Support was only hurt behind the passenger side headlight, nowhere else.
The adjuster crawled underneath and was telling Dad about these plastic radiators and accidents...then he stopped...
"Oh, this thing has an all metal radiator...looks fine, no damage."
When Dad told me this, I just about busted a gut.

He did tell Dad that he was just an adjuster to write a report and does not make a decision in anyway.
But he was 99% sure that my truck would be declared totaled, not due to the damage, but because of its age.
This I was expecting.

Today, the Insurance Company told me there was $4784.24 worth of damage to my J10.
A decision on a settlement is yet to come.

Kali 01-11-2008 04:36 PM

WOW. What are the odds you will get the full amount? That would be sweet :) GL

jpjeeper 01-11-2008 04:56 PM

Hmm... for that price you could by a few more and make one amazing truck.

The PIG Smith 01-11-2008 05:04 PM

LOL!
I do not except to receive the entire amount!

Gambler68 01-11-2008 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The PIG Smith
LOL!
I do not except to receive the entire amount!


Now is when you start faxing them printed copies of Wagonmasters and Grand Wagoneers websites and their 20-70k asking prices :D

They're RARE!!!

Good luck and hope it works out.

dusty 01-11-2008 05:41 PM

Like and kind law served me well in CA and in montana, check with the local car clubs they maybe able to help you get it replaced. when my barracuda got hit by a drunk and the insurance adjuster offered me a check for $3500, i laughed as asked him to find me a like and kind replacement int he next 3-4 weeks, if not my professional auto assesor who had assesed my vehicle 12 months earlier for insurance purposes would be glad to forward him a copy of my file......i handed the adjuster a copy of hemmings and informed him that an original 383 4spd with a sure grip rear car now sporting a 440 and factory AC was going to cost me more than $3500 to replace. 6 months later and a letter or two to the state insurance commisioner and thier tune changed :thumbsup: . my car got repaired i jsut had to be patient:eek: that was 10 years ago and more recently i battled them on a cj7 of mine



Whatever you do DO NOT ACCEPT ANY PAYMENT UNTILL you are satisfied with the quality of the repair or the amount of the compensation. they usually will have a contract in small print on the check that states by cashing this check you are accepting this as compensation in full for your repair and that they have fulfilled thier obligation.

Good luck

The PIG Smith 04-10-2008 10:18 AM

April 10, 2008 - Status Update
 
It's been some time since I posted the status of "50 Miler", my J10 that did not make it more that 50 miles.





The other driver's Insurance Company did settle up with us a couple of weeks ago.
I got a check for a little more than $2100 and was able to keep my truck and its clean title.

Earlier in the year, I purchased a entire front clip and doors off of '79 Golden Eagle Cherokee from RockJeep44.
While I had paid for the parts, I had not picked them up.
I was sorta struggling with the means (gas $$$) and a time that good for the both of us for me to collect these parts.

My wild and crazy uncle went to Florida for a spring vacation with some other family members.
While he does not have any time constraints, he agreed to stop by on his way home and picked up these parts.
As I was not there, I do not have any pics to share.

My uncle lives close to my parents and this is where my J10 has been stored.
My uncle took the replacement clip and my J10 to friend of his that runs a small part time body shop,
to have the sheet metal hung and get it road worthy again.
His friend does good body work, but does not paint (somehow he has painted for so long, the paint flumes now bothers him)
The big thing for now is that this fellow does good work a low (or maybe no) cost.

So, soon, I will have a good running J10 truck with mismatched colored panels.
While it would have been nice to have the inner fenders, radiator core support, firewall, etc...to be painted now, while its apart,
a good paint job is something that I will just to wait to have done later.

I hope you FSJ enthusiasts with your gas sucking rigs have left enough fuel at the pumps for me to fill this beast up,
so I can drive from WV back to Indiana! WOOHOOOO!!

I'll post updates as they happen.

The PIG Smith 04-10-2008 12:31 PM

My uncle called to tell me that while my J10 was up on the rollback, they 'popped' the front axle back in place.
While this is good news, the not so good news is the top spring on the passenger side is broke.
While he mentioned that it probably would not be an issue for now, that the springs will need to be replaced.

Now, I need to decide if I should use Waggie Spring on my #6200 rated J10, seek out J10 springs or go with a small lift kit.

Oh well...need to get the truck repaired first, get it home, then decide what to do.

I still have my '93 GMC 3500 Diesel van that I could use it's 6.2L Diesel and it's 14bolt rear axle.
It is my understanding that a GM Van axle is a near bolt in for our FSJ.

So, if I start messing with suspension lift kits, maybe I would swap the rear axle and springs for my 14bolt and new springs.
Same with the front, swap the Dana44 for a D44HD and new springs.

Hmmmm...lots to think about....glad I am dreamer!

COLOFIREMAN 04-10-2008 01:18 PM

Now that my eye's have stopped hurting from reading the long post I'm glad your ok !:D

HOOT 04-10-2008 05:21 PM

You need to swing by my place on your way back home with it. Take a break from the road. Keep me posted on your travels.


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