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I got my beadlock outters back from the powder coater today. I want to mount my Michelin XMLs on them for the ChopTop. Is this something that I should be able to do at home with normal tools or should I just haul everything down to the local tire shop?
These are what the wheels look like, two pieces with the rubber insert:
http://i18.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/2d/30/5848_1_b.JPG
noflyzone
01-30-2009, 06:24 PM
Are you kidding me? All the local tire kiddo would know to do is hang his tongue out and drool. They will be challenging but no more so than your standard H1's.
Local tire dude is old school, they managed the split rims on my M715.
Seriously, I've never mounted tires on H1s or anything else. Is it as simple as pushing the tire over the inner and the insert and bolting on the outter? Or putting the tire over the inner and cramming the insert thru the middle and then bolting on the outter?
The tires are pretty stiff.
68glad
01-30-2009, 08:23 PM
piece of cake. Put the insert in the tire first.
billyrb
01-30-2009, 08:28 PM
First install the valve stem in each wheel, then separate the beadlocks into 2 pieces (does yours use an o-ring in between the halves?). Take a good size spray bottle and hit the leading edge of the tire with a mixture of dish soap and warm water. Next, take the insert and turn it upright and slide it into the opening in the tire (some folks use 20k lb ratchet straps to pull the inserts in a bit to help them fit in, but that is with HDPE or PVC, not sure about using rubber inserts). Once the insert is in and oriented properly, set the bottom half of the rim on a bucket or something to raise it up off the floor 6-8" or more, then set the tire over it. Then, make sure you have the o-ring in between the halves. Then set the other section of beadlock over the tire. Then it's as simple as tightening the bolts (most folks suggest installing the nuts a little at a time, skipping a bolt as you work around the circle to help spread the load and not put too much stress on any given bolt at any time. Once all are tightened, then it's time to air up :)
Hammer
02-02-2009, 03:50 PM
Good instructions there!
One point to add, put anti-seize on all the threads!
I have done a ton of H1 rims, and once you do the first one, everything after that you can do with your eyes closed.
Btw, not sure what is recommended with your O-rings, but I grease mine up on my H1 rims. I use a tacky grease, and the O-rings stay in place, and seal a LOT better!
Just make sure the grease is compatible with the type of O-rings you have.
I dropped the whole mess off at the tire place today and I'm missing all of the O-rings.
Hammer
02-02-2009, 07:02 PM
Where these new rims? Or used ones you bought off someone?
The H1 rims use a large O-ring that goes between the two halves when they go together. Some of the other two piece rims have O-rings that go between the flat areas on the rims, and will usually have a groove for the O-ring to sit in.
Dmntxn77
02-02-2009, 07:37 PM
What size wheels are those? I have some extra H1 O-rings if they are the same...
How much is the tire shop charging you? My father-in-law (w&t shop owner) said that he put together some aftermarket beadlocks for someone ONCE, and he said that he will NEVER allow his guys to do it again unless the owner wants to pay for 4 hours of labor...
Hammer
02-02-2009, 07:40 PM
How much is the tire shop charging you? My father-in-law (w&t shop owner) said that he put together some aftermarket beadlocks for someone ONCE, and he said that he will NEVER allow his guys to do it again unless the owner wants to pay for 4 hours of labor...
Beadlocks are a royal PITA time wise. There are a lot of bloody bolts on those!
But a two piece rim is 'usually' super quick and easy.
Used that I "won" on ebay. The seller has a seemingly unending supply of these ( http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hutchinson-Double-Bead-Lock-Wheels-4-FS4016_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q 3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c29 3Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZi tem360128234943QQitemZ360128234943QQptZMotorsQ5fCa rQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories ) and the auction says that the "o rings are soft and pliable".
I sent her a message and we'll see what happens.
What size wheels are those? How much is the tire shop charging you? The wheels are 16 inches, I have no idea if the H1 O rings will fit.
I have no idea what the tire shop will charge, I'll let you guys know after I pick them up.
Hammer
02-02-2009, 07:46 PM
Looking at those pictures of them apart, the O-ring is used in the same manner that the H1 is.
On the inner wheel piece there is a lip just before the flange. The O-ring sits in that spot and the outer piece will have a space just like it.
Pretty big O-rings btw.
Hammer
02-02-2009, 07:47 PM
Ack, just looked closer, the O-rings for those should go in a groove made in the flat portions of each piece of the rim, near where they bolt together.
Dmntxn77
02-02-2009, 07:49 PM
Wow, that seems like a **** good price...
Wow, that seems like a **** good price...
I got the first set for next to nothing ($180 iirc) but the second set cost me $305 plus $120 shipping per set.
I also like that they are DOT approved because I intend to tag the ChopTop.
Here are the tires I'm using... also happy with these at $75 a pop.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200281697074&viewitem=
Hammer
02-02-2009, 08:39 PM
Man, that is a really good price for rims and tires like that!
Man, that is a really good price for rims and tires like that!
Time will tell. Powder coating ran a few bucks and they aren't such a bargain unless I can get some o rings for them.
Hammer
02-02-2009, 09:30 PM
O-rings should only cost you $3-$5 each.
Sambo
02-03-2009, 04:51 AM
man those would be easy:thumbsup: my beadlocks have 32 bolts in each wheel:rolleyes:
I emailed Hutchinson last night and had a prompt reply this morning. I need to furnish them a part number and they can supply the o-rings. :thumbsup:
Follow up on the o-ring debacle...
First is that my powder coater left the o-rings in place during media blasting and powder coating, so they are there, but ruined. :mad:
Second is that Hutchinson can supply the o-rings through one of their dealers but the "retail price" is $16.23 each. I'm working on a volume discount since I need eight.
Hammer
02-04-2009, 09:57 AM
Find out what the part number for the O-ring is.
Something like -297 or something like that.
Given the size of the O-ring, they can be expensive.
But, there are places to buy them cheaper, to be sure.
And also think about this, if you buy more, get some spares for the ones you will need later on down the road.
Either way, get the part number for the O-ring, and post it here. I bet we can find a better deal :)
From the email I recieved:
The O-ring that is used on these wheels is our part number 50034.
Hammer
02-04-2009, 10:15 AM
Sweet, a good start with that.
National Item Identification Number
01-527-8458
015278458
5331-01-527-8458
5331015278458
I was going to PM you but I've decided to expose my ignorance because maybe someone else will learn as well.
How did you reference those numbers and what should I do with them now? :o
Hammer
02-04-2009, 10:30 AM
Those are military rims.
Which means that every part of that rim has a National Stock Number.
That was the easy part though. Finding a commercial part number for it is being difficult right now.
I guess my kung-fu is weak :(
Hammer
02-04-2009, 10:34 AM
Here is the best listing so far on it.
NSN: 5331-01-527-8458
O-RING
Part No: 50034
Price Range: $5.34 to $16.00
Delivery Range: 14 to 102 days
Mfr/OEM/Agencies: HUTCHINSON INDUSTRIES INC
Suppliers: HUTCHINSON INDUSTRIES INC, SIMPLEX SUPPLY CO. INC
Hammer
02-04-2009, 10:44 AM
Finally.
O-Ring, Silicone Rubber, 0.210 x 14.300 ID
Nooner
02-04-2009, 10:53 AM
Used that I "won" on ebay. The seller has a seemingly unending supply of these ( http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hutchinson-Double-Bead-Lock-Wheels-4-FS4016_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q 3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c29 3Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZi tem360128234943QQitemZ360128234943QQptZMotorsQ5fCa rQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories ) and the auction says that the "o rings are soft and pliable".
I sent her a message and we'll see what happens.
tricky:
"WHEN DETERMINING FREIGHT I WILL SHIP OUT FOUR BOXES SO YOU MUST MULTIPLY THE FREIGHT AMOUNT BY FOUR TO DETERMINE THE CORRECT AMOUNT THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY. THE CALCULATOR ONLY WORKS FOR ONE PACKAGE. The dimensions of the boxes will be 18 X 18 X 10."
I'll be watching for a set myself - these seem to be a great deal!
The shipping on those wheels ran approximately $30 per box to my destination in Missouri.
As usual it took longer than I planned but I picked these up today.
The tire shop charged $6 per wheel plus 75 cents per rubber valve stem ($54 total) to mount them once I got replacement o rings from Hutchinson (at $15 each).
7 are holding pressure and one is riddled with plugs and leaks down overnight.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3304828795_9247120d13.jpg
Dmntxn77
02-23-2009, 08:19 PM
WOW, thats an amazing deal!! I can guarantee that the shop lost money on that deal...
lasinvegas
02-23-2009, 08:36 PM
You should really have done at least one of these in you rgarage so that you know what you will need to do one on a trail. They aren't bad if you are a decent sized guy with good balance. If you are 140# it makes it pretty funny to watch breaking them down. Experience watching someone else play with his new rims on the shop floor.
It did take a little longer because they did them as "fill in work" when they otherwise wouldn't be busy... but still.
They also let me assist on one of them so I know how to do put one together now.
I'm sending them lunch from a local pizza joint tomorrow as a thank you.
noflyzone
02-24-2009, 06:48 AM
THose are awesome. About the same price as H1's but you cant recenter them....
Nooner
02-24-2009, 10:11 AM
and they are Aluminum, and they are 16 vs. 16.5
They'd be perfect for me if they were 17's (more and cheaper tire choices in the sizes I am considering) but if I can get them for a deal I'll jump on them.
I've been watching his auctions for a few weeks now and it looks like they are consistently selling for around $300(before shipping) recently.
red mistress
02-26-2009, 07:43 AM
What's the backspacing on those Hutichson wheels?
What's the backspacing on those Hutichson wheels?
4.5 inches
A not so funny thing happened tonight when I attempted to install them on my Dana 60 axles... the wheel has an 4.5 inch opening in the center and my hubs measure 4.75 inches.
This is fixable... right? :o
Dmntxn77
03-04-2009, 09:05 PM
4.5 inches
A not so funny thing happened tonight when I attempted to install them on my Dana 60 axles... the wheel has an 4.5 inch opening in the center and my hubs measure 4.75 inches.
This is fixable... right? :o
Yikes... Bust out the dremmel... :eek:
They are not hub centric, so getting them close should be good enough... :thumbsup:
Yikes... Bust out the dremmel... :eek:
You all feel free to make fun of me... but is there a router bit that would work on the aluminum wheels?
Dmntxn77
03-04-2009, 09:17 PM
I bet that you could stuff a die grinder bit in your router... If you can find one big enough :huh:
Hammer
03-04-2009, 11:24 PM
You all feel free to make fun of me... but is there a router bit that would work on the aluminum wheels?
Actually, the answer is yes.
Don't ask me how I know that though ;)
Let's assume your friend bought aluminum wheels that did fit over the hubs... what kind of router bit did your friend use to machine the opening larger? :D
JeepinPete
03-05-2009, 09:57 AM
Any wood cutting carbide router bit will cut aluminum too. I would recommend using a 1/2" shank bit though. Tried using a trim bit with a 1/4" shank, and bent it. Anyway, use something like this (http://routerbitworld.com/Freud-42-110-1-2-Diameter-X-1-Height-2-Flute-Fl-p/freud%2042-110.htm).
Assuming you can get the router inside the wheel, cut a piece of plywood/particle board/plastic with a 4.75" hole. Center it up on one side of the wheel, and route from the other side. The bearing on the bit follows your pattern. It will make a lot of noise, and those aluminum chips are HOT!
Thanks! My plan was to make a template from MDF that will bolt to the lug holes in the wheel and provide a surface for the bearing to ride on.
Hopefully that will leave me with a relatively clean and round surface.
I'm out of town until the 13th but will report back with my success/failure after I try it.
Hammer
03-09-2009, 12:09 AM
A high quality bearing is VERY helpful!
Second most important part is to have large flutes with large spaces between the flutes. I like a 2 to 4 flute bit (depends on the size). A large shank, and large bearing.
You cannot let the bit get HOT.
And you don't want to plug the bit up. This is where the larger flutes and spacing will help a LOT.
Btw, you can buy very large die grinder bits that will fit in the router, and will work very well.
Here is one specifically made for this.
http://www.amanatool.com/bits-fv/aluminum-spiral-bit-51402.html
And a link with some prices.
http://www.toolstoday.com/p-5801-aluminum-spiral-o-flute-solid-carbide-router-bits.aspx
Couple others here.
http://www.ekstromcutter.com/highspeedsteelrouterbits.htm
Hammer
03-09-2009, 12:10 AM
If you use those bits, you need to have the router bumping against a template/jig to keep your circle.
BRUTUS
03-10-2009, 02:49 PM
Finally.
O-Ring, Silicone Rubber, 0.210 x 14.300 ID
If anyone is searching this thread and you have a Parker fitting/hydraulic store near you Parker has two o-rings in this neighborhood that would work... I would suggest their 2-383 which is 13.975" ID x 0.210 dia. The next size up is 2-384 which is 14.975" ID x 0.210 dia.
Sweet wheels! good deal too... hopefully you are able to do a nice job with the grinding/routing of the insides. I was going to suggest that you take them to a waterjet/machine shop and have them cut the holes. Since you have eight rims I think it would be worth it to have a nice finish. I know on my waterjet at work I couldn't imagine it costing more than $30 total.
I made my wooden template today and routed 4 of the wheels. Worked like a charm!
Wheels are mounted and the chassis rolls again.
Thanks for the advice and encouragement... this place is the best!
Dmntxn77
03-16-2009, 06:05 PM
I made my wooden template today and routed 4 of the wheels. Worked like a charm!
Wheels are mounted and the chassis rolls again.
Thanks for the advice and encouragement... this place is the best!
Well, let me be the first to say...
:worthless:
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