Petition AGAINST "Thrillcraft"

[bowtieman55]

Theres a group trying to end all ORV use. They call themselves 'thrillcraft'. See their video here...http://www.stopthrillcraft.org/index.htm

Here's the petition to show these people how many users are against a ban.
http://www.gopetition.com/online/24230.htm

[Clean RC]

sign'd the petition... Thanks:thumbsup:

Posted a thread over on NAXJA for this too..

[Randyzzz]

Petition signed.

Lots of photochopped pics there....

[HD_JEEP]

Signed....:thumbsup:

[jeepjerry]

What a buch of idiots!!! What, would they rather have everybody that enjoys exploring the land in motorized vehicles find other things to do like crimes, drugs and that sort. Surely we're not going to hike up the mountains we climb in our jeeps.

Signed!!

[Tad]

Done!

[JeepBountyHunter]

Done

[Desert Beast]

:thumbsup:

[dirtyd62]

Done

[HuntinDawg]

Done!

[RubiconMike]

Signed the petition and sent this email to info@deepecology.org the email address listed on the thrillcraft website.

Probably won't make any different to those fanatics, but I wanted to let them know there are reasonable, intelligent people who enjoy the outdoors in motorized vehicles.

"I just reviewed you “thrillcraft” video on the web and have a couple of questions for you: 1.) are you saying that *every*person who uses a recreational vehicle (which you incorrectly label ‘thrillcraft’) is loud, irresponsible, and destroys the environment every time they use their RV (and would somehow behave responsibly if they were hiking), or 2.) that the 1% of humanity that is loud and irresponsible AND use RVs should cause ALL RVs usage to be banned everywhere? Neither one of these seem to make sense to me.

Public land is just that – land available for PUBLIC use. There can and should be separate areas reserved for RV use, equestrian use, pedestrian use, and untouched land that should be preserved in its natural state.

Your slanted video mis-represents the facts and causes serious environmentalists to be painted with the brush of fanaticism that undermines the goal of responsible maintenance of our planet.

Banning RVs will not save the environment, one billion people hiking through public lands do as much damage as any of the “scare” scenes you depict in your video. Spend your effort on reducing the world population, that will do more to preserve the environment in the long term than banning any activity that you don’t personally participate in."

[snoopy]

Did it.

[WaggThis]

Done

[bigdaddyGB]

i signed but i live by the motto Leave no trace.. that means i pack out what i packed in and i don't abuse the trails by digging in with my tires or running in and out of the same mud hole at high rpms.

Remember if we all practiced this philosophy we wouldn't be facing this thrillcraft place now.

Now dune runners (buggies) and dirt bikes and quads are great for dunes and sandy wide open areas but I hate seeing dirt trails obliterated by these vehicals. because of our youth not respecting the land they have to use. all they care about is running through the deapest hole they can find.

I personally know of one such individule and refuse to wheel with him for that reason.

just my OPP. ( .02 cents)

[rusty crusty]

We all need to be responsible for the land we enjoy. I signed the petition and support the use of public lands.
I think we have to do a lot of work to make up for the few who should be tarred and feathered for the way they act on public lands. We have all seen these Bozo's and just cringed at their actions.:eek:

I wounder if these people at Thrillcraft are against rock climbing? Those pitons can't do the rock faces any good. what about the kids I've seen pulling up plants throwing rocks in streams and generally vandalizing the pathway they were walking on.

[imiceman44]

Well I guess we found a new way to repel bears :thumbsup:
2 miles they say, that is far enough for me, my uncle in NJ is constantly having problems with bears in his yard, I will record some of the noises we get in Pismo and just run them on his sound system every once in a while.
:thumbsup: :drivin: :fsj:

[mattmopar440]

DONE

[mcjeep80]

:fsj: = :thumbsup:

:grumble: = :thumbsdown:

[mattmopar440]

They have picture of sand dunes HOW DO YOU DAMAGE A SAND DUNE IT'S SAND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The avarage thrillcraft owner is not a avarage american ????????????? Great Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley Moogley

[Dr.E]

More land has been permanently destroyed
by building stores with paved parking lots where the devout "enviro-terrorists" buy there
hiking gear and "birkenstocks" than all off road
vehicles combined. Think about that next time you visit REI.

[jeepskater433]

signed it and now sending it to all my friends, because that is ridiculous

[grand_wag_85]

Signed.

That's just messed up...

Wait a minute, just read their tid bit on snowmobiling. How the heck do these things pollute the enviroment? :huh:

[caionneach]

:thumbsup: Signed it. However, the link in the originally posting didn't work for me, so I did a search at the gopetition site and found this: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/against-thrillcraft.html

[rockrat]

signed

wonder how they think of hurting the environment as they consume coffee, eat their meals, talking on cell phones all while "driving" their cars, belching carbon monoxide just like everyone else?????

[JeepStew]

signed ....... i forgot to mention starbucks.....

[duncanstives]

This is a group of idiots but they have a right to free speech same as everyone else... Because the government listens to special interest groups like this instead of following an overriding set of documented princibles (the constitution anyone?) does NOT mean speech we don't like should be banned at the risk of it influencing our (apparently) childlike leaders. Don't fight fire with fire.

BTW I also think no one pays any attention to online petitions (they only care about petitions where the barrier to entry is a bit higher... ie you have to put in at least a small amount of real work to circulate it and to sign it and mail it back). Also I don't think this group has attracted any mainstream following so while offensive they're are larger more mild sounding groups doing much more harm to public access than this one.

[loganvilledude]

:thumbsup: Signed it. However, the link in the originally posting didn't work for me, so I did a search at the gopetition site and found this: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/against-thrillcraft.html
Thanks for posting the correct link! I signed it and here was my comment.

" The responsible citizens who drive on our Federal Lands are not at fault. As a matter of fact they provide revenue to keep these parks and lands open. Remember this is everyone's land and by providing a place to drive our off road vehicles prevents the destruction of virgin lands if there wasn't a place to go."

I watched about two minutes of the video and saw where it was going. It looks like a combination of some "Left and Right Wingers" who put this together. I would like to ask how many granola bar eating, Prius driving nuts go to our Federal Lands anyway?

[picklewag]

Signed! It's like walking accross the grass. If you spread out the path that people use, you may never notice someone has walked on the grass. If you narrow it down to a single path...the grass may never grow back.

[Blindphleb]

I will not be signing the petition. I know I'm in the minority on this site. I have been hearing about "tread softly" type campaigns for years now, yet seen trail rigs grow monstrous in size and ability. Actions don't seem to follow deeds sometimes.

I applaud those of you who do your part to keep your impact to a minimum and refuse to wheel with those that do not.

Having grown up on jeeps (I learned to drive in a CJ-8) I love the use of public land just as much as the next person. However, to deny that off road vehicles have a substantial impact on an area's ecosystem (yes... especially sand dunes) would be irresponsible.

If we intend to keep our right to use these public lands, we must be harder on those of us that wheel irresponsibly.

That, to me seems more important and more effective than signing a petition.

[TexTJ209]

I will not be signing the petition. I know I'm in the minority on this site. I have been hearing about "tread softly" type campaigns for years now, yet seen trail rigs grow monstrous in size and ability. Actions don't seem to follow deeds sometimes.

I applaud those of you who do your part to keep your impact to a minimum and refuse to wheel with those that do not.

Having grown up on jeeps (I learned to drive in a CJ-8) I love the use of public land just as much as the next person. However, to deny that off road vehicles have a substantial impact on an area's ecosystem (yes... especially sand dunes) would be irresponsible.

If we intend to keep our right to use these public lands, we must be harder on those of us that wheel irresponsibly.

That, to me seems more important and more effective than signing a petition.


The larger and more capable vehicles could be argued to have less of an effect on the environment as they don't have to work as hard to traverse the same terrain. I agree with most of what you said though, we really really REALLY have to be vigilant about policing our own. Idiots that tear up our lands get our trails closed.


That website has been around for years now..

[COLOFIREMAN]

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/TalkingSoapBox-1.gifEveryone here and most sites know this there are alot knuckleheads that decide the rules for trail use don't apply to them. They take the off routes, climb areas that are not part of the trail, never clean up the ground after breakage, you all have seen the problems the few have caused for the many. Just look at Moab or Glamis Sand Dunes in the last couple of years. This best thing for any of us to do is GET INVOLVED BY REPORTING IT!! Lots of us say to our self, "It's not up to me to tattletale on them, but that is exactly what needs to happen. USFS rangers and local state ranger/BLM Officers just can't be everywhere at all the time. Plus even if one were to report it, they need that same person to go on record that they witnessed!! No officer of the law can take enforcement action unless they witness it. So please, picture is worth a ton in court,http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/photo-1.gif and http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/drillsergeant.gifGET INVOLVED BY REPORTING IT!!

I can't stress that enough.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/rant.gif :D ok I'm done...