interest in custom woodie vinyl?

[AMX factor]

Upgraded the small vinyl production at the shop this month. No longer jusy single color 30" cut vinyl. We now are 54" of full color digital print/cut capabilities. I was just curious if anyone is interested in new woodie vinyl for their Waggies. I can now print custom graphics or just cut standard vinyl. I actually have a few companies producing various woodgrain vinyl patterns. I have a customer looking at a Real Tree Blazer. I'm steering towards a carbon graphite Waggy myself. I was just curious if anyone would be interested befor I start measuring and cutting samples to fit the Wags.

[sungoesdown]

very interested, but very thrifty at the same time

[LRRH]

which machine did you end up getting? Mimaki, HP, Mutoh.....???

[JeepsnCellos]

Dido. I'm very interested especially if it's cheaper than others are selling the woodgrain for. It seems to me you should be able to buy enough quality material to redo the woodgrain (or carbon fiber if you prefer) for <$200.

After all... they're just STICKERS!

[sw4218]

I'm interested!

[trellis8]

I'm interested. Hopefully it's something you can do a bit cheaper than the oem stuff.

[Murphy]

I'm interested in a "close to original" woodgrain also if it is affordable.

[cywagoneer]

I'm also interested, depending on cost.

[JPSwapMohn]

I have often played around with the idea of bamboo or dark mahogany for my rig when i get to the bodywork. I would do it as the thinner wood grain pattern that was used on the 70's waggy's instead of the pattern I have on my '88.

What do you think it would cost to run a set of panels? Would the actual grain pattern influence price at all? This would be a pretty cool option for individualizing your rig!

[bowtieman55]

I like this design
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d163/bowtieman55/83_12.jpg

[GWDriver]

Ditto on the idea. Cost?? Design??

That Bamboo idea sounds pretty cool, so does the graphite. And of course, The original is always a winner.

Yeah,...........I like it!

[Brizio]

Nice design.

[AMX factor]

LRRH - we went with the Roland VP540.

I'll look further into the wood grain designs and see what I come up with.

[waynestiles]

I think a couple of woodgrain color variations, like a rosewood, burl walnut, oak, teak, bamboo, plus carbons and maybe a camo pattern or two (they usually have to be licensed I think) with the cutter programmed to do both the full size later pattern and the narrow stripe earlier size would be sellable.

I know when I get around to redoing the exterior of my 89GW I want to go with the earlier pattern in either one of the darker woods or a carbon weave pattern.

[Rich88]

Could you elaborate on what you mean by "carbon graphite"? Is this a design or the material itself?

[Kin Cobb]

Would be very interested in "close to original" look woodgrain for the late 80's - 91 GW. My 90 has one piece missing on the passenger side behind the backdoor. Guessing I will have to replace that entire side to get it to match on that side. Hate to buy a complete kit.

Thanks,

[Guru]

Probably would'nt be a bad idea to look into doing the Golden Eagle graphics kits for the trucks....pppppplease.The ones that anyone offers are not the same as the original,I don't think.Mine looks like the inside of the eagle was open to the body color, and all the ones I've looked at look like they are solid.Am I wrong?Also the rocker banner and stripes are not available.And as far as the wood grain...that woud look good on a j2000 I'm hoping to get.:thumbsup:

[yoslvr442]

im interested as well, thinking maybe a teak if available with some flames(if possible).

[GWDriver]

I think a couple of woodgrain color variations, like a rosewood, burl walnut, oak, teak, bamboo, plus carbons and maybe a camo pattern or two (they usually have to be licensed I think) with the cutter programmed to do both the full size later pattern and the narrow stripe earlier size would be sellable.

I know when I get around to redoing the exterior of my 89GW I want to go with the earlier pattern in either one of the darker woods or a carbon weave pattern.

Rosewood and burl walnut are sure winners. Yeah, and maybe bamboo

[AMX factor]

The Golden Eagle could be done IF I had an original to go from. So far as I can see in the sample books I can get a Burl Walnut(dark wood) and a Cheyenne Teak(looks very close to original woodie). I'll do more research to see if this is a feasible endevour.

Carbon Graphite is like the carbon fiber looking design. I have some nice brushed aluminums that would sweet on a black jeep.

[Guru]

Do you think if I took the time to put a sheet of mask paper on the hood and sides and drew them out you could make the graphics?

[brh8]

interested- cost - any samples of the colors 91 w/ teak

[BIG WILLIE]

What is the price range are you talkin? and do you have any examples yet?

[Saltyfeather]

Keep up with this, lots of interest.....including myself !

[amc75matador]

I'm interested in a "close to original" woodgrain also if it is affordable.
X2

[gunnerwoody]

Any word on a price range yet???:)

[bigdaddyGB]

can you make a custom silver wide stripe or designed strip with scripted Cherokee chief in it???

If so let me know how much.

Thanks,
BigdaddyGB

[GWDriver]

Sample as soon as you can, please and perhaps a price range?

This is sounding more and more viable. Looking forward to what happens. :D

[Saltyfeather]

Any updates with the vinyl ?
Still interested!:D

[JeepBountyHunter]

Birdseye maple for J10 Pioneer..;)

Okay just a thought.
Aaron

[BrianAg95]

Wood grain for a rear deflector. I swear somewhere used to have it, but I can't seem to find it anymore. :(

[ironroad29]

you wagoneer guys should get a wood plank design like the side of a old woodies wagon.

[JeepBountyHunter]

Oh I forgot to add, print up these new side panels with the trim surround printed on them and too :D....One piece.

[G_$]

Upgraded the small vinyl production at the shop this month. No longer jusy single color 30" cut vinyl. We now are 54" of full color digital print/cut capabilities. I was just curious if anyone is interested in new woodie vinyl for their Waggies. I can now print custom graphics or just cut standard vinyl. I actually have a few companies producing various woodgrain vinyl patterns. I have a customer looking at a Real Tree Blazer. I'm steering towards a carbon graphite Waggy myself. I was just curious if anyone would be interested befor I start measuring and cutting samples to fit the Wags.

Yes.

And, How about reproduction of the marine teak that comes in a 58" by 30" roll/sheet? This is what I have decided to use to recover one of the rear tailgate carpet panels.

[Saltyfeather]

AMX ! You out there ?:D
There are plenty of places to get vinyl sheets in wood-grain, carbon fiber , etc. But what I've read is they have a short life out in the elements. What ever you come up with needs to be able to last long enough to be worth the cash and the work involved to install.

[18cherokee]

you know that 3m do still make di-noc, the brand name vinyl as used on these rigs originally - you know, designed for use amongst the outdoor elements....

they even have a teak design.

[G_$]

you know that 3m do still make di-noc, the brand name vinyl as used on these rigs originally - you know, designed for use amongst the outdoor elements....

they even have a teak design.

My last look in to it, about a mopnth ago, revealed that no, di-noc is not made in marine teak any longer. I could be wrong.

[Kin Cobb]

Yep, count me in as interested in the close to original vinyl for my 90 GW.

Kin Cobb

[Saltyfeather]

18Cherokee, I think you may be correct here! Check out this site, it is the distributer for Di-noc and they have over 100 different wood vinyls.http://www.dinocfilm.com/gallery/index.php?cat=3

[18cherokee]

salty, dont get me wrong, its not exactly the same as the very original offered by 3m all those years ago.... you couldnt use the new stuff next to a section of the old, put it that way - its a duller finish & rather than a flat shiny, smooth surface, it has a faux wood texture to it - its really quite good - if you have seen the grain used on the rear air deflectors, take that as the example.

i suppose its as close as you could get to being oem, since its made by 3m & called di-noc :thumbsup:

i was going to take this route, but stumbled across a roll of the original stuff.

[FSJ Guy]

18Cherokee, I think you may be correct here! Check out this site, it is the distributer for Di-noc and they have over 100 different wood vinyls.http://www.dinocfilm.com/gallery/index.php?cat=3

I requested a sample of their WG-430 (Under Wood Grain). We'll see what it looks like...

[18cherokee]

We'll see what it looks like...

i have it, i think you'll rather like it :thumbsup:

[AMX factor]

I'm still here. I have the door panels patterned out. Working on back panel. I have to have the patterns designed up so I can get an accurate count of square footage to provide proper pricing to you guys. I do run a full time printing business and those jobs take priority over my FSJ pet projects. Bear with me kids!

[Saltyfeather]

I'm still here. I have the door panels patterned out. Working on back panel. I have to have the patterns designed up so I can get an accurate count of square footage to provide proper pricing to you guys. I do run a full time printing business and those jobs take priority over my FSJ pet projects. Bear with me kids!

We hear you ! Have to put the meat on the table first.:D

[Saltyfeather]

i have it, i think you'll rather like it :thumbsup:

Do you have just a sample?

[Saltyfeather]

I requested a sample of their WG-430 (Under Wood Grain). We'll see what it looks like...
That looks good! Which do you think would be good for the trim?

[18cherokee]

ah, the trim itself is another ball game altogether.

i wouldnt even attempt to fix that.

best to lurk on the for sale section & wait for a wag thats being parted out. i did that for a while, eventually found a couple of sweet complete sets :thumbsup:

with regards to the di-noc, i only have a sample of the latest wg-430 & yes, a full roll of the original marine teak :D

[FSJ Guy]

That looks good! Which do you think would be good for the trim?

Good question. Dunno what I'm gonna do for trim. :confused:

[Saltyfeather]

18,
Do you know if the WG-430 can be used outside? And did they give a cost estimate?

[Saltyfeather]

I put an inquiry in the di-noc to find out which ones can be used outside and which can be thermoformed. Also, which can be used on PVC. I'm not sure if the trim on the GW is PVC or not, but I would like to try and use vinyl #FW236 and thermoform it to the trim.

[18cherokee]

18,
Do you know if the WG-430 can be used outside? And did they give a cost estimate?

i believe it can be (otherwise an additional protective film can go over the top) & the catalog itself confirms this, iirc.

cost? no idea, but probably exxy, its 3m remember, supposed to be the good stuff.

http://dinocfilm.com/auto.html

[FSJ Guy]

I got m sample a couple of days ago. Looks nice. The only issue I see (aside from longevity) is that it actually has a woodgrain surface to it. I wonder if wax residue and/or dirt would get stuck voids?

I may put a sample on a spare part and set it outside and see what a summer's worth of southern exposure to Colorado sunshine does to it. I need some lawn art. :D

[BrianAg95]

The PDF on the dinoc material says:

Expected durability, exterior vertical application: 4 Years, 3Years desert Southwest.

http://dinocfilm.com/docs/productbulletin.pdf

[RED-85-Z51]

The 9 piece set for a late GW is what...1800 bucks from the couple places that still make the sections?

My original wood grain paneling looks good aside from the fact it is starting to "crack" and expose the white paint below.

Both front fender panels are pristine, the rear panel is pristine original, all 4 door panels are cracking, and both rear quarter grain panels are cracking or have been scuffed hard.

Im going to have to remove/strip all the panels to paint the GW...thankfully all my trim is perfect except for one little section of a lower corner that it bent on the tailgate, it's just lifted a hair..and one spot of rust on one of the door ones.

How do you remove the trim? Drill the rivets?

[FSJ Guy]

The PDF on the dinoc material says:

Expected durability, exterior vertical application: 4 Years, 3Years desert Southwest.

http://dinocfilm.com/docs/productbulletin.pdf

Interesting that they make a distinction. Hmmm....

[waynestiles]

"Expected durability, exterior vertical application: 4 Years, 3Years desert Southwest."

UV exposure I imagine.

In that case here in the "lake effect" snow/rain/constant overcast are of SW MI it should last freek'n forever, or until the metal rusts out from under it.

they don't call it the "rust belt" for nothing.

[G_$]

Just my thoughts:

If the di-noc stuff is not a perfect match (which, as I said above, it is not because it is no longer made), then there are LOTS of other options other than di-noc if you are doing a full replacement.

[Saltyfeather]

I'm concerned about the textured finish of the material! I sounds like it is more life like? May be a preference thing?
This guy carries Teak vinyl that has a high gloss finish and claims an outside expectancy of up to 5 years ? Any thoughts ?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WOOD-GRAIN-VINYL-Roll-Sheet-Adhesive-TEAK-Woodgrain_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em 14QQhashZitem120312964663QQitemZ120312964663QQptZM otorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Have to see what AMX comes up with.

[18cherokee]

the textured surface on the new teak is really quite minimal & to be honest, it is very, very similar to the di-noc that was used on the rear air deflectors.

i did a lot of research into this....

i doubt waxes, dirt etc would be an issue too & if anything, the subtle texture enhances the realistic woodgrain appearance of the vinyl - compared the the flat & very glossy original that doesnt look real at all when youre close to it.

i would not hesitate to use the new & improved di-noc, rather than some reproduction type stuff (tbh, i was going to use this vinyl, before stumbling across the original)

[BrianAg95]

Ok, so This company offers lots of wood kits for new models cars, why not see if they can offer a kit replacement for our rigs??? I mean if they can do kits for all those other cars, including the new commander, why not for our rigs?

http://www.woodywagoon.com/

I sent them an email requesting info on if they had a kit for our trucks or could make one available...

http://www.woodywagoon.com/woody_products_fordexplorera.htm
The ford page shows a good closeup of the trim and woodgrain..

http://www.woodywagoon.com/woody_products_jeepcommander001.htm
The jeep commander page

PS from a reseller their woody commander kit is $749-899

[Emupickle]

The Golden Eagle could be done IF I had an original to go from. So far as I can see in the sample books I can get a Burl Walnut(dark wood) and a Cheyenne Teak(looks very close to original woodie). I'll do more research to see if this is a feasible endevour.

Carbon Graphite is like the carbon fiber looking design. I have some nice brushed aluminums that would sweet on a black jeep.

Im very interested, but very tight on funds. May i ask how long you will be making these, and how much you will be charging?

[BrianAg95]

Ack just after posting the above.. I found this..

http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/ItemBrowse/c-10101/s-10101/p-100000376443/mediaCode-ZX/appId-10677935/Pr-p_CATENTRY_ID:10000037644310677935

Looks like they already do....

[grand_wag_85]

I sanded then painted over mine but would love to put some real tree camo in its place.

[RED-85-Z51]

If the old original woodgrain can go 15+ years in the elements before poor under prep and the elements get the best of it...I find it very saddening that modern kits would only last 4-5 years before they started to fail/fade.

I guess the only option really is to garage the thing whenever possible? And even then...maybe 10 years out of the new kits?

[18cherokee]

the thing is, the times listed for the durability, exposure rating etc would be referring to like, 4 -5 years, continual exposure, meaning probably 10 years normal life, day, night, garage parked etc etc.

the product today would be superior to what was offered 20 years ago.

[scotty1998]

x1000000. I'd love a good source for vinyl apliques as long as they're as close to OEM as possible for late model teak.

[Saltyfeather]

Ok, so This company offers lots of wood kits for new models cars, why not see if they can offer a kit replacement for our rigs??? I mean if they can do kits for all those other cars, including the new commander, why not for our rigs?

http://www.woodywagoon.com/

I sent them an email requesting info on if they had a kit for our trucks or could make one available...

http://www.woodywagoon.com/woody_products_fordexplorera.htm
The ford page shows a good closeup of the trim and woodgrain..

http://www.woodywagoon.com/woody_products_jeepcommander001.htm
The jeep commander page

PS from a reseller their woody commander kit is $749-899
Here is the response I received from them. Costly and I don't believe a good color ! JMTC

"Yes, we have done woodgrain for GW's but the color we use is the lighter "birch". I will be honest and upfront that it is a replacement but not a perfect match. The teak used in the 80's was a very colorful grain with light brown and orange brown shades.
The material we supply is very high quality and will work well, but if you are looking to replace one panel or have a meticulous restoration, you will notice a difference.
The cost of a set is about $700 - $775 based on the linear footage.
A trim resto is $775 and will look similar to the photos on the website; slightly lighter that the original.
If you have any other specific questions feel free to call 562-425-6009 or email.

[Saltyfeather]

Ack just after posting the above.. I found this..

http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/ItemBrowse/c-10101/s-10101/p-100000376443/mediaCode-ZX/appId-10677935/Pr-p_CATENTRY_ID:10000037644310677935

Looks like they already do....

What the heck are they talking about ? They list the woodgrain for a GW ! The title on the photo says Grand Cherokee ! And the photo, I believe is a Commander? ??????:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Saltyfeather]

the thing is, the times listed for the durability, exposure rating etc would be referring to like, 4 -5 years, continual exposure, meaning probably 10 years normal life, day, night, garage parked etc etc.

the product today would be superior to what was offered 20 years ago.

I agree with 18 ! Looks so far to be the product of choice, but I'm waiting to see what the AMX man has :thumbsup:

[scotty1998]

AMX Man... Where are you??? :confused:

[G_$]

AMX Man... Where are you??? :confused:

He's gotta put bread on the table!

(And I agree, but waiting as patiently as possible. :) )

[the jeep]

stupid question to follow up to this post.

i see these kits for vinyl replacement for the GW are pretty ridiculously priced. has anybody replaced the vinyl with real wood veneer? i could easily purchase enough hardwood veneer to cover my wag for substantially less than the kits are going for. after several coats of varnish the wood would be waterproof and resist sun degradation for a handful of years and look pretty cool to boot.

maybe this has been discussed before and i missed it.

[scotty1998]

Not that I'm disagreeing with you but with our winters, I'd be very surprised if the wood would hold up even it we sealed and sealed and sealed. I could just see the weather getting behind the veneer and blistering it out. The vinyl seems to be the way to go for durability purposes but I agree. The actual wood would be awesome.

I've sent for some samples of the 3m dinoc stuff. We'll see what comes through. Also, I asked their tech support what the exact match for our wags is. They responded that they'd need a sample to be able to tell. I thought about just sending a pic and taking my chances.