OH NOES!

[duncanstives]

http://i34.tinypic.com/jt9e9x.jpg

First "real" trip offroad did not end so well... After some amazing feats of awesome (for a stocker anyway) the waggy decided it liked this mud and wanted to stay awhile. So... There is sat and there it sits. I will have to retrieve it tomorrow.

As an aside this was an extremely remote location.... It took me a few hours to hike out and I was not even out... I was picked up by the forest service about 2 miles from blacktop (who had by this time gathered a search party and an ambulance in case I needed it... Thankfully I did not).

I do not even normally care for mud but this perticular hole proved to much for my ZJ (I barely escaped... And lost my front bumper when I did) so naturally I had to see how the Waggy liked it (FOR SCIENCE!). It liked it.... To well in fact.

More pics tomorrow...

[billyrb]

link doesn't work......

[duncanstives]

link doesn't work......

Fixed... Apparently that site only saves it for a few moments after resizing it...

[will e]

OH NO!
That looks really stuck. It must have been fricken COLD!!!!

[Geeeep]

Remote, deep mud, cold, wheeling alone :huh: :eek: :omfg:

[Gambler68]

.....time for a winch.

Best hope there's not a cold snap before you get back out there..

[duncanstives]

Remote, deep mud, cold, wheeling alone :eek: :eek: :eek:

I thought I was prepared but the little stuff always gets you:

I had a Ham radio to call for help... But failed to program any repeaters in... Finding repeaters at random in 4Mhz of radio spectrum is difficult (read: impossible).

Additionally I had a high lift jack (can be used for winching) and strap to go with it. Upon closer inspection this turned out to be missing a couple of parts (I don't REMEMBER it being missing parts last time I used it in my old Jeep :banghead: )

I did however have matches, a service manual and some gas to start a fire using super wet rotten wood... And about a half gallon (spaced out at intervals) of gas... It wound up being a pretty nice warm fire... I would go warm up once in awhile as I worked.

[The PIG Smith]

.....time for a winch.

Best hope there's not a cold snap before you get back out there..
X2.
Maybe Santa could leave you a monster Warn under your Christmas Tree!

[duncanstives]

.....time for a winch.

Best hope there's not a cold snap before you get back out there..

Time for friends with rigs... I need new friends... The current ones are to freaking lazy to get their rigs up and running (actually only one HAS a rig right now.. And it has no seats in it).

[skeletor]

more like time for some big swampers, have fun getting that out :thumbsup:

[incommando]

And it has no seats in it

What, you don't have milk crates in KY? :)

[duncanstives]

And it has no seats in it

What, you don't have milk crates in KY? :)

Apparently not :banghead:

Nah... He is just a perfectionist... It actually HAS some nice leather volvo seats he bought but they are not mounted down... And the floor still needs work (it has been redone with plywood and rhino liner type stuff and looks good but where the wood meets the tranny tunnel it needs some sheet metal to fill in the gap. For some reason this makes it completely undrivable in his eyes... But that OK because he works on it at MY house (apartment dweller) and thus its sitting in my yard... Time to start charging rent in the form of a little towing :D

[duncanstives]

more like time for some big swampers, have fun getting that out :thumbsup:

Yeah... The current ATs were not doing the job... Though they did move plenty of mud around as evidenced by this photo:

http://i38.tinypic.com/rtq5ck.jpg

Seriously though... A locker is the thing to have... Front or rear I am 100% sure that have either axle locked would have made getting out a cake walk (drive?).

[grand_wag_85]

Who hasn't done this before :huh: My worst time was with a TJ burried over the tires to the doorsill in this muck bog stuff. After a long hike and half a day of pulling it was out. Keep us posted!

[grand_wag_85]

Did you try the old e-brake redneck locker trick? Which wheels were turnin? I've seen people out here put 2x4's in the spokes of the wheels that spin but don't get traction so the truck can send power to the other wheels. It's extremely redneck but when you're in the middle of nowhere ya gotta do whatcha gotta do. Hopefully you don't flood out anything important.

[duncanstives]

Did you try the old e-brake redneck locker trick? Which wheels were turnin? I've seen people out here put 2x4's in the spokes of the wheels that spin but don't get traction so the truck can send power to the other wheels. It's extremely redneck but when you're in the middle of nowhere ya gotta do whatcha gotta do. Hopefully you don't flood out anything important.

Hmm... Good idea.. I have never tried the e-brake thing but it seems like it might help (would ruin an ebrake pretty quick but mine does not work anyway... That is to say it has plenty of stopping power but the catches on the lever are broken so it does not stay engaged).


As for which wheels were spinning: Different ones depending on where i was in the hole... I can move it back and forth a few feet.

[mudhunter241]

wow that looks like fun for me!! To bad I have nothing like that around here to hit up

[mattmopar440]

Dose look kinda familiar doesn't it Ron :D
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd140/mattmopar440/jeep10.jpg

[mudhunter241]

yea the 60 mile an hour hole of death:drivin: =:banghead:

[Dmntxn77]

Nah... He is just a perfectionist... It actually HAS some nice leather volvo seats he bought but they are not mounted down... And the floor still needs work (it has been redone with plywood and rhino liner type stuff and looks good but where the wood meets the tranny tunnel it needs some sheet metal to fill in the gap.


Gotta say, something there just doesnt add up.... :rolleyes:




As for your Jeep... In my professional opinion, I would say that you are F'd... :eek:

Keep us updated with plenty pics of the extraction!!

[men in black]

Dose look kinda familiar doesn't it Ron :D


And its the same color, Ron Burgundy :D

[duncanstives]

yea the 60 mile an hour hole of death:drivin: =:banghead:

The place I am stuck is listed on my GPS as "Pit of Doom" with a note that says "very deep DO NOT go in"...



I really should have listened to myself. :banghead:

[drlocke]

Yep, time to pull it and get it on a flat-bed. You'll likely want to drain, flush and refill your oil sump, tranny, t-case and punkins.

[duncanstives]

Yep, time to pull it and get it on a flat-bed. You'll likely want to drain, flush and refill your oil sump, tranny, t-case and punkins.

Get a flatbed back there?

Not likely.... I will have to drive it home and then work on getting fluids changed.... Fortunately it onyl a few miles.

[duncanstives]

Extraction went poorly.... The old bronco pulled it a good way out just enough to notice the broken bead on the front tire... The bronco failed to pull it quite all the way out because it won't start now. The soliniod clicks but it won't turn over... Maybe the starter is fried? I have no clue... To top it all off I am getting sick... I feel like crap and therefore I am not going to bother posting pics until later. Also my internet is almost dead... And my laptop is having issues... I am pretty sure nothing has gone right today... I am going to go to bed and try not to think about how I will get to work tomorrow.

[duncanstives]

As much as I don't want to think about this now I suppose I I should ask if anyone has any ideas about why it won't start?

The relay clicks on occasion (for some reason only when I press the gas pedal... I can't imagine why that would have anything to do with it) but even when it does click the starter does not turn... We charged the battery in case that was the issue but no dice. I think the starter is drawing current because when I turn the key to start the bronco's engine changes pitch when hooked up with jumper cables (like the load on the bronco's alternator is causing it to bog down slightly).

[JeepsAndGuns]

Sound like a overnight soak in soupy mud caused it to lock up. I bet the water/mud got inside the starter and its now FUBAR.

[letank]

Sound like a overnight soak in soupy mud caused it to lock up. I bet the water/mud got inside the starter and its now FUBAR.

I think the bronco is the issue.
If we suspect low juice, and the battery was charged and holding the charge, may be the cables do not have good contacts:

1) clean battery terminals, disconnect and use soft metallic brush, repeat for all connections between battery and starter, as well as the ground.

2) same for the jumper cables... barely used mine, they were so oxidized that i could not jump my kid's car one nite....

The fast and dirty way, a little tap on the starter housing w a hammer, then you could try to jump from battery (+) to the (+) side of the solenoid w a "jumper cable" 2 or 4 gauge .... wear eye protection.

This is a nice stuck.... Got stuck a late afternoon ... in the snow that melted with a warm spell, all the way to the rocker panels.... I spent the nite.... But I always carry tent, 0 degre sleeping bag, wine. I had to dig, and put the tires on rocks.... The snow froze again overnite and i left in the early morning.

[tazzerzz]

Stuck sucks, So much snow one day could not tell the right shoulder was actually an 8 foot trench, took a snow plow to pull out the brand new dodge ram,
12-20" on the way for tomorrow and I have to drive 150 miles into it and home , not looking forward to that.

[duncanstives]

I think the bronco is the issue.
If we suspect low juice, and the battery was charged and holding the charge, may be the cables do not have good contacts:

1) clean battery terminals, disconnect and use soft metallic brush, repeat for all connections between battery and starter, as well as the ground.

2) same for the jumper cables... barely used mine, they were so oxidized that i could not jump my kid's car one nite....

The fast and dirty way, a little tap on the starter housing w a hammer, then you could try to jump from battery (+) to the (+) side of the solenoid w a "jumper cable" 2 or 4 gauge .... wear eye protection.

This is a nice stuck.... Got stuck a late afternoon ... in the snow that melted with a warm spell, all the way to the rocker panels.... I spent the nite.... But I always carry tent, 0 degre sleeping bag, wine. I had to dig, and put the tires on rocks.... The snow froze again overnite and i left in the early morning.

Sorry for the lack of clarity... The bronco works fine (well... Aside from the fact that the tranny seems to be dead... Only runs in first gear except for occasionally when it shifts... Then it slips like crazy... Since its not a long drive and first is good for pulling it did not cause a problem).
I can't find the starter on this thing... My service manual has a picture of it but there is nothing like that on my engine... I feel like an idiot but it does not even seem like there is any wire large enough for a starter coming OUT of the relay (mounted on the passenger side above the front wheel well).

[FSJ Guy]

Looks like you have a later model FSJ. 88-91 maybe? If your relay on the fender doesn't have any "big" cable going to the starter, then it's a Mitsubishi starter. The relay on the fender simply switches another solenoid on the actual starter, itself.

Starter is on the bottom of the motor, on the passenger side.

It's probably full of mud, muck and grit. The grit may be preventing the solenoid contacts from connecting, or it could have simply caused the starter to bind up. Washing it out with water may revive it.

However, since you're stuck in the sticks, you might simply want to bring a replacement with you. Good luck!

[Eugene 1]

That looks like a mess!!

[Gambler68]

Dude..you killed yer jeep :( I hope 727's are easier to swap than TH400s!

[fulsizjeep]

If the starter got full of water/mud and has not detonated inside, you need to do something like this:
http://jubileejeeps.org/fsjrides/07moab/hellsrevenge/banner.jpg

[duncanstives]

Sorry for the delay on all the pics... I am finally feeling less sick... This makes me somewhat happy dispite being $200 poorer (extraction) and my jeep not working (and my boss mad because I skipped work today.. LOL).

Had some fun at the beginning of the trip...
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1529/233/59/742425490/n742425490_2201307_2380.jpg


http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1529/233/59/742425490/n742425490_2201306_2125.jpg

Things got slightly more challenging...
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1529/233/59/742425490/n742425490_2201314_4411.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1529/233/59/742425490/n742425490_2201319_5861.jpg

At this point things rapidly progressed from midly challenging to "very challenging"
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1529/233/59/742425490/n742425490_2201322_6673.jpg

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1529/233/59/742425490/n742425490_2201323_6989.jpg

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1529/233/59/742425490/n742425490_2201325_7598.jpg

Help didn't help...
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1529/233/59/742425490/n742425490_2201337_1610.jpg

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1529/233/59/742425490/n742425490_2201339_2264.jpg

Nor did this:
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1529/233/59/742425490/n742425490_2201341_2860.jpg

We decided to do a little trail clean up while we waited (this is my buddy in this photo)... Some items you have to wonder what the story behind them is. Then again in this case I may be happier NOT knowing.
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1529/233/59/742425490/n742425490_2201342_3265.jpg

Bigger help DOES help. But only for $200... Oh well.. There goes the locker money and I still need a starter.
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1529/233/59/742425490/n742425490_2201346_4502.jpg

So there you go... Pics. Lots of them.

[Dmntxn77]

Well, at least your out...

Now, do yourself a favor, and drain and change the engine oil and tranny fluid BEFORE you start it. Then change the transfer case fluids and both diff fuids BEFORE you drive it.

It would also be a VERY good idea to repack your front bearings before you drive it too..

Mudding is expensive, but changing fluids is not nearly as expensive as changing the motor or trans...

[1977cherokeechief]

Well, at least your out...

Now, do yourself a favor, and drain and change the engine oil and tranny fluid BEFORE you start it. Then change the transfer case fluids and both diff fuids BEFORE you drive it.

It would also be a VERY good idea to repack your front bearings before you drive it too..

Mudding is expensive, but changing fluids is not nearly as expensive as changing the motor or trans...

very very good advise. my old 88 bronco full size was a beater that i always went wheeling in, and broke it a couple times, got stuck more than once, but since i was the crazy one, i was normally the one pulling people out.

i may be dumb enough to get stuck like that (more than once), but that is why i got friends with bigger trucks than mine to get me out;):thumbsup:

[FSJ Guy]

Only $200 for extraction!! Wow! That's CHEAP!!!

That's usually the price for them to just SHOW UP. And it goes up from there if you actually want them to GET OUT OF THE TRUCK.

Consider this a $200 lesson to NOT go 4 wheeling by yourself. ;)

Oh, and drain ALL those fluids and replace.

[duncanstives]

Indeed it is... The local "official" offroad recovery place has all sorts of fancy vehicles for evry situation and garuntees extraction... But only if you pay them $300 to come and "assess" and then like... $150 an hour or something after that. I got a determined redneck with a 4x4 tow truck to come... He did some slight damage to the truck (broken hubcap, slightly crimped exaust) or I think it would have been cheaper

Anyway... I doubt I will be dissuaded from offroading alone but I am defintely not going anywhere until I get a winch (and a starter, some fresh fluids, a car wash and a new or at least reseated tire :banghead: )... You guys think 9klbs is enough? I was going to go with the 9000 superwinch.

Oh yeah: The bronco in that photo got stuck for 6 months with a bad(ish) tranny on the middle of a slick muddy hill climb... We tried a tractor, 6 jeeps and a small bulldozer to pull it out with no luck... We finally just gave up and waited for spring and drier weather (it was early fall). When spring arrived I put some tranny fluid in it (and a battery... Someone had stolen it) and drove it out... Not easily but it did get out under its own power.

[TPICherokee]

Nah... He is just a perfectionist... It actually HAS some nice leather volvo seats he bought but they are not mounted down... And the floor still needs work (it has been redone with plywood and rhino liner type stuff and looks good but where the wood meets the tranny tunnel it needs some sheet metal to fill in the gap. For some reason this makes it completely undrivable in his eyes... But that OK because he works on it at MY house (apartment dweller) and thus its sitting in my yard... Time to start charging rent in the form of a little towing :D

I a pretty certain that a perfectionist wouldn't use plywood to fix a floor....

[TPICherokee]

The bronco in that photo got stuck for 6 months


Hehe, the "Bronco".... technically it is a Bronco II, not the greatest rigs ever built, if it was a full-size bronco, it probably would have pulled you out like nothing.

[1977cherokeechief]

Hehe, the "Bronco".... technically it is a Bronco II, not the greatest rigs ever built, if it was a full-size bronco, it probably would have pulled you out like nothing.

:thumbsup::cool::D:p

[duncanstives]

Hehe, the "Bronco".... technically it is a Bronco II, not the greatest rigs ever built, if it was a full-size bronco, it probably would have pulled you out like nothing.

Yeah... Its ttb :lol: (he planning Jeep 44s I believe)

That said I dount even a "real" bronco would have had much luck pulling me out tugging with the 10 ton dually tow truck (so the owner said) resulted only in tires spinning... We had to put wheel stops on and use the winch and even then the truck shoved the wheel stops about 3 inches back and 4 inches into the mud before the jeep came loose :eek:

[mattmopar440]

The place I am stuck is listed on my GPS as "Pit of Doom" with a note that says "very deep DO NOT go in"...



I really should have listened to myself. :banghead:

Yea it's the 60MPH because Ron make it thru in this XJ at 60MPH :eek:
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd140/mattmopar440/jeep9.jpg
Dont need a tow truck when you got Jon truck and some chain :D
Hole depth checker
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd140/mattmopar440/jeep13.jpg
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd140/mattmopar440/jeep14.jpg

[duncanstives]

Hitting that thing at 60 MPH would be fun... I just don't think I would want to do it in MY vehical.

LOL

[funhog]

The first time I ever got stuck was in a hold like that. My buddy said, "hey why don't I check and see how deep it is?" I of course said NO and hit the gas. When we opened the doors the mud started coming in. We walked about 3 miles off the mountain. My dad had a friend with a.....J20. He couldn't even budge us. We ended up getting a 4x4 wrecker to come and get us. He ended up having to back up to a couple of trees so it would stop pulling him into the hole.

My parents were not very happy with me.