What tranny is this?

[Slippery]

And, with the attached NP208, is it worth $250? http://www.carbuyer.com/moreinfo.html?adv=&key=644856&s=

[ January 04, 2002: Message edited by: Slippery ]

[joe]

I know it's not a T18 by looking at that one but don't recognise what it actually is by looks.
If it's stock though it'll be the T-176. It was the only 4 speed offered in 82 Wags.

[Crazy_Jeepman]

Its a T176. Here is a link to compare. T176 (http://www.jeeptech.com/trans/t176.html)
:D :D

[Cecil14]

I didn't think wags were offered with sticks in the '80s?? Could be wrong though...

Definently a T-176 though, looks just like mine.

Anthony

[scotty]

not really worth $250,IMO. if you are crafty,you should be able to turn up a whole truck with a t176 for $250 or less...

[Slippery]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scotty:
not really worth $250,IMO. if you are crafty,you should be able to turn up a whole truck with a t176 for $250 or less...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay then...same guy also has this (http://www.carbuyer.com/moreinfo.html?adv=&key=519046&s=), this (http://www.carbuyer.com/moreinfo.html?adv=&key=519047&s=), and this (http://www.carbuyer.com/moreinfo.html?adv=&key=519044&s=). Are any of those 4-speeds worthwhile?

EDIT: On second thought, maybe I'll just snag the Blazer, yank the top and doors, weld the diffs, and wheel the he!! out of it...

[ January 04, 2002: Message edited by: Slippery ]

[scotty]

yeah,thats more like it smile.gif

the blazer should have an sm465/205.

IH used the t98,the t18,and t19,and maybe others,so its hard tellin whats in there.

the dodge should have an np 435 with either a 203 or 205(prolly a 205)

all are worth having.

ill cast my vote for get whole balzer,remove body(or parts of it at least ;) ) and wheel the wee out of it. a somewhat rusty or beat up blazer makes an excellent starting point for a hack job,woods only beater. specially with a sm465/205.good combo. also lots of suspension kits available for blazer,you can buy a new 350 at K mart(well,not that bad maybe,but you get the point-SBC parts are cheap and plentiful.)

whatever it takes to get ya to the woods :cool:

[Slippery]

Hmmmm...Blazer comparo:

Engine: fullsize yes, S-10 no.
Straight front axle: fullsize yes, S-10 no.
Top removal: fullsize unbolts & reattaches, S-10 must be cut off & welded back on.

I think you can see where I'm going with this...

[scotty]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slippery:
Hmmmm...Blazer comparo:

Engine: fullsize yes, S-10 no.
Straight front axle: fullsize yes, S-10 no.
Top removal: fullsize unbolts & reattaches, S-10 must be cut off & welded back on.

I think you can see where I'm going with this...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes.

and i think its a good way to go. :D :cool:

you will have easily spent the pruchase price or more in making an IFS,7.5 inch rear s10 blazer into a machine that is capable AND dependable.especially if you figure in the time you need to spend on it.

s10 blazer will need: solid front axle,leaf springs,lots of fabrication.a stronger rear axle. the little 10 bolt wont last long.

big blazer will need:ust a general tune up and check of all mechainal things(fluids,belts,brakes,etc.). make room for tires with sawzall.give me a call,well be on our way to the woods :D

[Slippery]

Just an observation, not relevant to the thread...that same guy also has advertised the following:
'67 International crewcab 4WD
'67 Mercedes 200D
'69 Dodge 2WD
'72 'Burb 2WD
'73 Ranchero
'78 Power Wagon
'83 Regal (powered by '77 Olds 350)
'88 Saab 900
Various FJ40/FJ55 TLC parts

Must be cleanin' up the farm...off to Zanesville!

[ January 04, 2002: Message edited by: Slippery ]

[Rande]

IH used T18s and two different T19s. I don't know anything about the T98s. The T18 shift pattern has reverse to the right and up. The T19s had reverse to the right and down. The T19 had a synchronized first gear, the T18 didn't. Some ScoutII T19s had the granny low and some didn't. The T19 with the granny low would be a great offroad tranny. The trouble with IH trannies was the extra long input shaft. IH did use AMC 258s and 401s, so there is a bellhousing to mate their long input shaft T19s to an AMC engine. That ScoutII also used the Dana20 transfercase with a right side front output. ScoutII front axles (Dana44 from 1974 on) had 8 bolts holding the knuckle onto the housing where Jeeps had 6. Makes for a stronger unit. The width is pretty close to a NT Waggy IIRC. Might be a bit narrower though, come to think of it. Probably closer to the Commando width. I have a ScoutII and could measure that for you if you want.
Also, for you information. Many ScoutIIs came with Trac-Loc or Power-Loc diffs in the rear. Since I bought my ScoutII and have been junkyard hunting for parts, I have found more ScoutIIs with the posi-tracs than without. They can be a source for cheap posi units.

[ January 04, 2002: Message edited by: Rande ]

[Slippery]

The Scout is a '76, so no D300. :(
The 3/4T 4x4 pickup with the 345/4-speed sounds nice...

[Rande]

IH engines are designed and built to industrial specs and often go 250k before a rebuild is needed. The are low reving, low torque curve engines that could pull a county cross-country. They have no timing chain (gears) and time on the #8 cylinder (a bit different). The 345-392 engines have a taller deck and wider intake manifold than the 304 engines. There are no 4bbl intakes for the 304. These engines weigh about 750lbs.

[scotty]

scouts are cool.we just finished a springover on a friends scout ii.we used a narrow trac wagoneer housing to correct the caster prollem. the big thing with scout axles is that up until 1980 they came with 0* front caster,wich makes them feel vauge and wander on road.in 80 they had 2*.the wagoneer 44 we used has 4*,and he is pleased as punch at how it drives now.it also follows happily on the towbar,which it didnt before. the short side axleshaft was the same,and the long side was 1/4 inch longer on the wag.close enuff that he can prolly use the scout long side as a spare if he had to.

345 does make gobs of torque.with 38.5x15 super swamper tsl he twisted stock scout thin-walled,3" or so rear driveshaft tubes like they were twigs.he got a big mother out of some kinda box van,so were waiting to see what goes next smile.gif .we may have to put a block of wood under the skinny pedal(mechanical throttle control) to keep him exploding the rear end ;)

the t98 is the predacessor to the t18,-an old school,granny 1st 4 speed.it was used late 60s,so in 76 its prolly a t18 or t19. be sure to check a a t19 before handing over any nonrefundable cash,cause most of them were close ratio.

scouts are cool,but for simplicitys sake you are prolly better off with a $600 blazer.lots and lots of cheap used parts,lots of aftermarket stuff available,and very easy to modify.if 1/2 ton driveline becomes inadequate,a 14 bolt and d60 are a bolt in swap smile.gif

stay focused slippery: 1)buy blazer 2) fit tires with sawzall 3)call me,were goin to the woods

[ January 05, 2002: Message edited by: scotty ]

[Slippery]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scotty:
stay focused slippery: 1)buy blazer 2) fit tires with sawzall 3)call me,were goin to the woods<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, step 1 is to sell my Lumina to my nephew, to get the cash for the Blazer...may be very soon...