Alternate fuels

[funhog]

I am getting ready to tackle the engine in the jeep I am working on. I am trying to decide what to do about it. This is my wifes DD but she doesn't put toom much mileage on it. I have a couple of choices:

Stay with the 360. Pros- already have it and doesn't need any mods.
Cons - It really needs a rebuild. I would also like to change the intake and carb when I do that. LOUSY gas mileage.

Change the 360 to propane - Propane is cheaper. I would already be changing out some of the items that are needed for propane.

Diesel - Much better gas mileage, but it is a lot more complex of a swap and it costs a lot more.

I also saw a kit on Ebay that had made it so you could use propane and gas. Has anyone here tried this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dual-Fuel-Century-Propane-Carburetor-Hoses-switches_W0QQitemZ170213829555QQcmdZViewItem?hash= item170213829555&

Other???

[bigun]

When you run duel fuel it is neither one or the other if you set it up for propane the compression and timing will be off for running it on gasoline, unless you are running it on a fuel injected vehicle then the computer will change the timing so that it is optimal.

[funhog]

I guess I am leaning toward going with Propane. I have read that they like the engine to have a little bit higher compression. For those of you running propane now, how do they do with the stock engine. For those of you who have built and engine what do you think of it?

[bigun]

Crom has a basic stock 360 it has good power unknown on fuel milage is since speedometer is off. Something to look into I recently refilled tanks here in Grand Jucntion CO. and paid $3.45, gas is $3.46 a gallon.

[funhog]

Crom has a basic stock 360 it has good power unknown on fuel milage is since speedometer is off. Something to look into I recently refilled tanks here in Grand Jucntion CO. and paid $3.45, gas is $3.46 a gallon.

I thought that pane was cheaper than regular gas. I'm going to have to check a couple of local places on that. It would definately change the way I'm looking at this.

[yankeedog]

a gasoline engine will run on kerosene once it has reach operating temperature.I have often thought about splitting a holley double pumper and making to two barrel carbs out of it .the front two barrels for start up on gasoline ,the rear two for run on kerosene,probaly would take alot of fine tuning an an engine built for with a really low compression ratio and be more trouble than its worth.but i suppose you colud do the same thing with propane linkages would be a pita but it might just work.

[bigun]

I heard from BB he said they just bought propane for the house at $2.16 a gallon.

[nepatternmaker]

$2.16/gallon. even with the road taxes added, it's way cheaper than gas. don't know how mileage compares between gas and propane.

dave

[funhog]

$2.16/gallon. even with the road taxes added, it's way cheaper than gas. don't know how mileage compares between gas and propane.

dave

What I am hearing is that the mileage is about the same, but $2 a gallon vs $4 a gallon would save a bunch of $$$. I have asked one of the local guys here what he is paying.

[bigun]

$2.16/gallon. even with the road taxes added, it's way cheaper than gas. don't know how mileage compares between gas and propane.

dave
If you add road tax it would be around $2.60 a gallon the above price is for house hold use.

[funhog]

If you add road tax it would be around $2.60 a gallon the above price is for house hold use.

I have been spending a bunch of time looking at this and keep getting different answers on a lot of it. I seems that a bunch of the places I would get it fueled already include the tax. If you use it in a forklift you then file with the IRS for a .50 tax credit.

I'm glad the government makes this easy.

[Carl Rasmussen]

put a 6.2 diesel in it and run it on WVO

it would be the same amout of work to do a SBC and not all that hard.

[jeepsr4ever]

I would head to propane before diesel :D

[Carl Rasmussen]

I would head to propane before diesel :D

but WVO is almost free

[jeepsr4ever]

I have seen what WVO can do to a diesel when it isnt processed right :(

[bigun]

I have been spending a bunch of time looking at this and keep getting different answers on a lot of it. I seems that a bunch of the places I would get it fueled already include the tax. If you use it in a forklift you then file with the IRS for a .50 tax credit.

I'm glad the government makes this easy.
Some places charge the tax others don't one place I go to says he just figures I have a large Bar-B-Que LOL :thumbsup: Then there is the place in Ouray that charged me not only road tax, but also sales tax:eek::eek:

[matt thompson]

I have also looked into alternative fueling for the waggy. For a while I was dead set on a diesel swap. 6.2/6.5 or 4bt but with soaring deisel prices and engine swap expenses it's not the easy way to go even though there is a cool factor. Got Propane has kits for v-8's and also have a dual fuel kit which will run gas or propane with the flip of the switch (basically just goes on top of your carb) pretty cool but less efficient than propane alone, or gas alone. I vote propane or propane/gas. easier, cheaper up front, and cheaper fuel. Plus I've read some on Hydrogen fuel, Some people claim you can use a propane setup to run hydrogen! pretty interesting...don't know if it's true or not.

[funhog]

I would love to go diesel and then use McDonalds to fill up. I would need to find a donor vehicle that wasn't too terribly expensive though. I would also need to add another $1,000 for the grease stuff.

I had someone just send me some info on the hydrogen engines. I need to do some more checking on that now.

My issue right now with propane is finding an accurate price. I called one place locally and was told $4 a gallon. I am going to call a few more places next week.

One on my cost issues is that I don't drive this very much. So anything that costs very much will never pay for itself (the biggest reason for this). Although if I could get enough fryer grease I could use it as MY DD and it would pay for itself pretty quick. I drive about 25k-30k a year.

[CougarCJ]

Daryl Hannah video clip. She has a bio-diesel El Camino.

http://www.dhlovelife.com/v2/show/archive/?wk=1

Towards the end she does this thing with her tongue and the gas cap:p .

It is all G-rated folks. :o Sorry in advance for the Ellen part:rolleyes: .

When I looked at that site a while back there was a link to finding Bio-Diesel filling stations around the country. I do not know the commercial price of Bio-Diesel at retail locations.

[men in black]

Here's WVO formula from Michigan State.

Filter your WVO three times down to 5 microns. This is not Biodiesel!!!

8 gals....WVO
2 gals....Kerosene
1/2 gal..GAS
3 oz......Power service diesel clean and Cetane boost
4 oz..... Diesel 911

[bigun]

In the short run the propane conversion would be cheapest and quickest once you have all the parts it would take an afternoon to install and tune it. If you go duel fuel you'll need to be able to change the timing this can be accomplished by using MSD adjustable timing box.

[2003 mcs]

Don't forget the natural gas conversion (they are out there). I was looking at a cng vehicle. Honda is the only manufacture that sells new cng vehicles, although Ford and GM had cng vehicles a couple years ago. You can fuel up at your house (cheapest route) or at a gas station (there is actually one station by me). CNG was $1.94 a gallon (equivalent to a gallon) while rug $3.28 (couple weeks ago).

There might be a CNG station by you. I'm thinking, just thinking at this point about doing something like this to the GW.

[Carl Rasmussen]

What About a HHO conversion. I am playing around with this a little to see if it makes any difference or even works. I got the unit made I just need to hook up into the car. I will let you know if it works

http://waterfuelreview.com/?id=B222061

[funhog]

What About a HHO conversion. I am playing around with this a little to see if it makes any difference or even works. I got the unit made I just need to hook up into the car. I will let you know if it works

http://waterfuelreview.com/?id=B222061

I have someone else who is pointing me in this direction. I would be very interested in how it works out for you. Right now it sounds pretty promising.

Don

[men in black]

What About a HHO conversion.

I can remember doing that in high school science class
spliting water into H2, O1

Or you can burn salt water by splitting water with radio waves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBgo

[Wagoneerlover]

speaking of hydrogen gas, the first gast station in the U.S. to offer hydrogen gas is in Washington D.C. I pass this place all the time. Anyway I could look at the prices on it to see how much it is just for ideas sake if you all wanted. Currently all vehicles from the Washington Gas company are running on hydrogen and our metropolitan city busses have some that are equipped with hydrogen fuel tanks etc. That run on this type of gas. There are a few companies that have equipped some of their fleet vehicles in this area to run on hydrogen. (Only problem with this would be availability)


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6460036/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_station

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle#Alternatives

[Carl Rasmussen]

I found this very interesting
http://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com/

also see attached file

[grainboy]

Today propane was 3.65 a gallon before road tax, at a flying j truckstop in west phoenix. As far as dual fuel goes, all of our farm trucks would run on either, though the propane would dry out the accelerator pumps if you did not run gas once in a while. Most of us never adjusted timing, if you were anywhere to stock specs, a chevy 350 will run on either fuel. Propane has less btu's than gas, hence about 8% less mileage.

[funhog]

Well, I finally came up with a way to get some good mileage. I replaced the engine.




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