Production figures

[Rice63ifs]

Hey guys,

Does anyone have production figures for the early Wagoneers? I have one with IFS which I know are fairly rare.

Anyone seen any of these figures?

Thanks for looking.

[Dmntxn77]

IFS really??


Weird!!!

Is it 2wd?

[dusty]

IFS really??


Weird!!!

Is it 2wd?

nope its either a 62 (dubbed a 63) 63 and early 64's had a D27 IFS front end, trucks i believe had the D44 in an IFS also iirc...... i had a rig that was titled 64 and it had the ifs. goofy system, mine had factory Power loks front and rear. worked awesome. couldnt keep hubs in it though.


ahead of its time.


wish io could help you on production numbers. not many have survived the years. 62-68 the waggy wasnt as popular as it became in the 70's

[cajunKen]

I read somewhere that the IFS was optional in the early years...I'll see if I can find that book and check if it also had production numbers.

[Tonka J200]

Yup-
IFS was available in both 4WD and 2WD Waggys and Trucks.

Here's a pic:

http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ifs/64ifs_02.jpg

More pix are here: http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ifs/

While there have been some production information for early J-series vehicles, there's no break-down of IFS equipped vehicles. You've gotta figure they were pretty rare when new and few have survived.

Send me your VIN number and I can tell you what month it was built.

[joe]

Yeah they're rare. They were built through the first series 62-early 65 w/IFS D27 and as mentioned above w/IFS D44 in the trucks.

Frank are those pictures down in Calif of Al somebody's Wag chassis? I've forgotten Al's last name Metzler? That's a 64 I believe and he dropped the the body on an early 80's chassis. I planned for a long time to buy that chassis and drag it up to WA but never got round to it. This was probably six or seven years ago though. Al's is the only other one I new existed except for one other on the east coast. I'm pretty sure Todd Paisley has one also.

I think but may be wrong that Daniel who's login I cant remember either has one of the IFS trucks down in Buenos Aires?

Pretty rare and pretty cool. Wouldn't be much of a crawler rig but make a great comfortable crappy backroads rig.

Rice63ifs we definitely want some pictures!! :thumbsup:

[skeletor]

i remember talking to a guy from lebanon about a year ago that had a gladiator with the ifs when he was still in lebanon in the early 60s. he said it was like driving a vibrating bed because it had death wobble or something. he said it would go through anything though.

[misfittom138]

Ya learn something new everyday. I had no idea there was an IFS wagoneer.

[The PIG Smith]

A few years ago, someone here had one of those IFS rigs and needed ball joints or some fairly simple part.
The parts could not had at any price and nothing else was even close to being able to work.
IIRC, we, the forum, recommended swaping in a later model solid axle and I think that was what the owner did.
BUT...that was a few years ago and those posts are all gone! :(

[joe]

A few years ago, someone here had one of those IFS rigs and needed ball joints or some fairly simple part.
The parts could not had at any price and nothing else was even close to being able to work.
IIRC, we, the forum, recommended swaping in a later model solid axle and I think that was what the owner did.
BUT...that was a few years ago and those posts are all gone! :(
Yeah Bryan parts for the IFS are for sure made of unobtainium but for a psuedo-correct resto/Sunday/good weather/fun car they could be made at a decent machine shop. The real tricky part is the large rubber knuckle boots. When I considered Al's rolling chassis I had planned on fabbing a few sets of hand sewn somewhat water proofed leather boots. I figured 1k miles a year use max and I think it would have worked?

But for a daily driver yeah it'd be way easier/cheaper/less grief to swap front axles. But....if a person is going to do that please just buy another solid axle old FSJ and sell the IFS one to someone that has the means/bucks/passion to restore it.

The IFS FSJ's make the Supers and Panel Wags look generic so far as rarity goes.

[Charlie_B]

That is CRAZY looking! Is there pretty much a short driveshaft on each side? With a solid mounted diff? Does it still use leaf springs? Or some kind of coil?

[Rednex4x4s]

I bet somewere you could find out from corperate how many had benn produced. Also that thing is crazy looking Cool conversation piece if nothing else.

[chrisnsarah]

Eons ago in California, I saw a Gladiator with an IFS setup in a PickNPull yard. If I knew the rarity at the time, I might have pulled the parts and keep them in case I ever came across a runner or sell them to someone in need. Its' the only one I've ever seen in person.

[NVJEEPER]

That is CRAZY looking! Is there pretty much a short driveshaft on each side? With a solid mounted diff? Does it still use leaf springs? Or some kind of coil?

Torsion bar springs on an upper control arm with "radius" arms.

Man how bout the power steering...WOW

[Headhoncho]

Eons ago in California, I saw a Gladiator with an IFS setup in a PickNPull yard. If I knew the rarity at the time, I might have pulled the parts and keep them in case I ever came across a runner or sell them to someone in need. Its' the only one I've ever seen in person.

Same here 20 yrs ago at a junkyard in Jersey. I'm not sure if it was a gladiator or wag though. Every time I go there I keep hoping I'll find it so I can buy it even though I know it's long gone. Found a rhino grilled wag there a few months ago that looks like it had a ch*vy six conversion done to it forever ago. I can spend a whole day there just walking around. :rolleyes:


JR