how to spot 401

[The Hound]

couple of old chiefs round here when I lift the hood how can I spot a 401

[ December 10, 2003, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: thehound ]

[SpruceMoose]

401 cast into the block near the mounts.

sm.

[Hammer]

behind the motor mount the block will have the raised numbers 401.

[Hammer]

Oh, and a Z in the vin. but that just means what it was stock.

[The Hound]

will I have to crawl under to see?

[bigun]

onless you have eyes on the end of your finger LOL

[The Hound]

that going to b fun been sitting 10 years. tires flat, weed thick ,but u gota do what u gota do

[illegalFSJ]

You can try reaching under the mount and feeling the numbers out with your fingertips. I've gotten used to "feeling" 360s. Found a "4" once and got excited, until further groping revealed a 304!

[Retro93]

If it's a 401 you should also notice a glow or halo around the rig. :D This will be accompanied by muted harp music and warmth coming from the engine compartment. ;)

[bigun]

Originally posted by Retro93:
If it's a 401 you should also notice a glow or halo around the rig. :D This will be accompanied by muted harp music and warmth coming from the engine compartment. ;) and hundreds of Jeep fanatics headed your way at shambling run

[The Hound]

thx

[Smooshy]

Did someone say 401!!!! where where where

[Bryan]

Also, I think all 401's came with a 4 bbl carb (I could be wrong here), so if it has a 2bbl then you can save yourself a trip under the rig. I guess that assumes the P/O didnt switch to a 2 bbl at some point, I've seen people do stupider things than that!!

[jeepsr4ever]

401's lurk in bushes well hidden behind rust, you can see a little steam usually from a blown head gasket, but BEWARE they BITE HARD and when you get near one you can hear it grunting and snorting.

Or you can learn AMC brail and finger the 401 cast into the block like the 15 other reply's said on this one..........LOL

[Ed Jack]

you find 401's at the other end of the rainbow.

[Rande]

Look at Jeepsr4ever's avatar. Thats what the block numbers under the engines mounts look like.

[Elliott]

They put 'em in IH rigs also, for a short while. Musta be cammed a little better 'cause they show slightly better specs on HP/Torque from what I've seen.

[tgreese]

Can you use an inspection mirror to see the numbers?

[Rogue]

Originally posted by tgreese:
Can you use an inspection mirror to see the numbers?yes but beware because 360 upside down in a mirror looks a heck of a lot like 390 - ask me how I know...

[ December 11, 2003, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: RogueStar ]

[JeepsAndGuns]

Ok roguestar how do you know? lol
A 401 is the thing you here everyone telling about finding one, but YOU never do. I actually think the 401's are a mith, somthing made up to fill the heads of midlife men and to give them somthing to look for to keep them busey.

[Retro93]

Originally posted by JeepsAndGuns:
Ok roguestar how do you know? lol
A 401 is the thing you here everyone telling about finding one, but YOU never do. I actually think the 401's are a mith, somthing made up to fill the heads of midlife men and to give them somthing to look for to keep them busey.Naw...401's are real. I have one piled in my garage...kick it everytime I walk by. smile.gif

[Bryan]

Originally posted by JeepsAndGuns:
Ok roguestar how do you know? lol
A 401 is the thing you here everyone telling about finding one, but YOU never do. I actually think the 401's are a mith, somthing made up to fill the heads of midlife men and to give them somthing to look for to keep them busey.

[Bryan]

Originally posted by JeepsAndGuns:
Ok roguestar how do you know? lol
A 401 is the thing you here everyone telling about finding one, but YOU never do. I actually think the 401's are a mith, somthing made up to fill the heads of midlife men and to give them somthing to look for to keep them busey.JeepsAndGuns, love the sig quotes, and I love Fred Durst & Limpbizkit, BUT you gotta give quote credits where they are due, pete townsend, roger daltry & crew with The Who wrote that song. The Who still holds the Guiness Book Of World Records as the loudest concert ever recorded, something like 120 decibles at over 50 yards away!!! Anyways LOL smile.gif

OK sorry I didnt get your sig in the quote JeepsAndGuns so I'm sorry. I'll go away now cause I've screwed up about 3 posts in a row, and I'm not even drunk. (YET) Sorry!!

[ December 11, 2003, 04:47 PM: Message edited by: Bryan ]

[The Hound]

sorry guys 360

[jeepsr4ever]

kick a 401..............aww the humanity

[Bobbo]

Kick it my way Retro!

[bigun]

Originally posted by Retro93:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JeepsAndGuns:
Ok roguestar how do you know? lol
A 401 is the thing you here everyone telling about finding one, but YOU never do. I actually think the 401's are a mith, somthing made up to fill the heads of midlife men and to give them somthing to look for to keep them busey.Naw...401's are real. I have one piled in my garage...kick it everytime I walk by. smile.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Did he actully say KICK a 401,quick some one call Geroldo Rivera. LOL

[Retro93]

Originally posted by bigun:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Retro93:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JeepsAndGuns:
Ok roguestar how do you know? lol
A 401 is the thing you here everyone telling about finding one, but YOU never do. I actually think the 401's are a mith, somthing made up to fill the heads of midlife men and to give them somthing to look for to keep them busey.Naw...401's are real. I have one piled in my garage...kick it everytime I walk by. smile.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Did he actully say KICK a 401,quick some one call Geroldo Rivera. LOL</font>[/QUOTE]Well yeah...I bought it as a replacement for my dying 360. This was before I realized that putting money into an AMC engine is pointless. :D So..when the time is right...and I find a buyer that just HAS to have a 401...I'll let it go. ;) Till then, I will continue to kick it. smile.gif

[Wilk]

Good place to look for 401's is hanging from a chain on the front of very large boats...... :D :D

[Rogue]

This was before I realized that putting money into an AMC engine is pointlessSo let's see this means they are virtually worthless yet...
So..when the time is right...and I find a buyer that just HAS to have a 401...I'll let it gobut yet in the same breath you'll want top dollar for it I take it?

I really don't care what anybody does to their Jeep - its THEIR Jeep - but to me, IMHO, this is what kills the sport, your words would indicate your are an oppurtunist not a hobbyist.

That's cool and all just make sure and title your for sale post "Top dollar wanted for piece of crap"

[ December 11, 2003, 09:24 PM: Message edited by: RogueStar ]

[Retro93]

Originally posted by RogueStar:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />This was before I realized that putting money into an AMC engine is pointlessSo let's see this means they are virtually worthless yet...
So..when the time is right...and I find a buyer that just HAS to have a 401...I'll let it gobut yet in the same breath you'll want top dollar for it I take it?

I really don't care what anybody does to their Jeep - its THEIR Jeep - but to me, IMHO, this is what kills the sport, your words would indicate your are an oppurtunist not a hobbyist.

That's cool and all just make sure and title your for sale post "Top dollar wanted for piece of crap"</font>[/QUOTE]It's easy to read meaning into other folks posts...so take it ez there hoss. :eek:

To clarify:
1. to ME building an AMC engine isn't worth the time or cost...hence worthless.
2. and YES..I will want top dollar for my 401. Why shouldn't I? If someone just has to have it, I will sell it for a profit. No shame in that...just the way the system works.
3. Even if I posted it for sale as ""Top dollar wanted for piece of crap", it would still sell. The 401 myth lives on.

Hope that answers your questions/concerns Bubba. :rolleyes:

[Rogue]

ummm...no...that's how your system works, apparantly - like i said oppurtunist not hobbyist
funny how what i "read" into what you said was exactly what your intentions are but my reading skills ain't what they used to be i guess

[ December 11, 2003, 10:04 PM: Message edited by: RogueStar ]

[Retro93]

I see that you are an "ASE Master Auto Technician". I'm making the assumption that you use this certification to make a living by charging the going rate for your services. I'm sure in the back of your mind you can justify the $40-50/hr.[or more] shop rate that is demanded of the unknowing. So I ask you...what is the difference between what you are doing, and what I propose to do? Nothing??? Hmmmm... Let me give you a hint. It's called Capitalism.... :)There ain't no free lunch in this world. ;)

[The Hound]

easy boys fight nice

[JeepsAndGuns]

hey Bryan, I'll change my sig. It wasnt untill I changed my sig to that that I found out who wrote the song. you are the 2nd person to tell me..lol

Dang I wish I had a 401 to kick around. Ok so mabey they really are out there, just NOT AROUND HERE..lol

[Rogue]

retro - we can debate this forever and get nowhere, so I'd like to first say that it wasn't my intent to single you out and create a wave - it was very simple on my end - to me this is a club and ideally everyone here is here to help each other out - I just plain didn't like what you had to say and still don't - a difference of opinion that will probably never be settled

I regularly give away the same advice I charge for for free here. In your haste you forgot one important thing - I also have a degree in business management and if you have ever studied it then you would know that a shop's rate is determined by its rent, utilities, wages paid to employees, worker's comp insurance not to mention the fact of recovering the costs on major shop equipment like $3800 brakes lathes, $2800 scan tools, $1800 for lifts. I myself personally have over $50k invested in hand tools and specialty tools that would not be considered "shop tools", and we at our shop regularly give free advice, free diagnostics, free brake inspection, etc, etc. This $50per hour rate is just not arbritrarily grabbed from the air as you would make it out to be.

So yea I do go to work to make money and do live in a capitalist society, but those are not my reasons for coming here whatsoever.

[Rogue]

There ain't no free lunch in this worldoh but there is I as of right now have someone from another message board I frequent sending me parts for another car I have for free - he even paid for the shipping and refuses to let me pay him for it. His only request was that if I was in a position to help someone else that I would do it. there are good people out there just becoming extremely more difficult to find these days.

[Elliott]

"The 401 myth lives on"

I don't think these guys would last long over at the AMC racing forums, somebody would call out to a race and that would be the end of their whining about what the AMC isn't.
Read up on the Great White, fantasy or just a big three eating machine?

Does it have to go this way every time someone talks or asks a reasonable question about a 401?
All of a sudden every AMC hating fool has to get in here and start chipping with their lil ol whine stories and big three baloney. tongue.gif

[ December 13, 2003, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: Elliott ]

[jeepsr4ever]

WHOA smile.gif LOL retro....Your probly better off with your chebby if you had bad luck with that 401 oyu had.. Personally i wish they still made the 401 or if AMC made a big block, they sued some good technology and some bad... But all in all I will always favor the AMC higher displacement V8's because of the power bands and where they develope the peak power.. Do you really have a block laying around?

I know alot of guys who are trying to bilt a 401 and could use this block you kick..LOL If you ever want some spending cash drop me a line and maybe we can work something out. smile.gif

(living the 401 myth) /401\

[jeepsr4ever]

sheesh i need a spell check....LOL

[Elliott]

http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=007879

Do you suppose 192mph w/o blower, 217mph blown is myth, or just the fantasy that there is a Big three anything that will do 192 w/o a blower?

I really don't get all the attitude on this site, it is a Jeep site... maybe there's just a huge jealousy that they can't get more then $50 for their blocks.

[Elliott]

Hey that '85 Chevy sure is a huge freakin' improvement over the 401, huh?
"The new 1985 Tuned Port Injected L-98 engine produced 230 hp and 330 pounds of torque."
http://citruscorvettes.com/ccknow.htm

How many years did it take to produce such a winner?

[The Hound]

boy o boy ask a simple ? and get a complex anwser

[jeepsr4ever]

LOL smile.gif

[Elliott]

It's just that way with the 401, some people can't stay on topic and have to start bashing.

If you didn't catch it in my earlier post there is a 401 in the for sale column that's here in Houston if that's not too far. I thought it was pricey, but he has some work into it and might dicker.

[ December 13, 2003, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: Elliott ]

[Retro93]

Originally posted by RogueStar:
retro - we can debate this forever and get nowhere, so I'd like to first say that it wasn't my intent to single you out and create a wave - it was very simple on my end - to me this is a club and ideally everyone here is here to help each other out - I just plain didn't like what you had to say and still don't - a difference of opinion that will probably never be settled

I regularly give away the same advice I charge for for free here. In your haste you forgot one important thing - I also have a degree in business management and if you have ever studied it then you would know that a shop's rate is determined by its rent, utilities, wages paid to employees, worker's comp insurance not to mention the fact of recovering the costs on major shop equipment like $3800 brakes lathes, $2800 scan tools, $1800 for lifts. I myself personally have over $50k invested in hand tools and specialty tools that would not be considered "shop tools", and we at our shop regularly give free advice, free diagnostics, free brake inspection, etc, etc. This $50per hour rate is just not arbritrarily grabbed from the air as you would make it out to be.

So yea I do go to work to make money and do live in a capitalist society, but those are not my reasons for coming here whatsoever.RougeStar,

I can understand why my words didn't sit well with you. It is very obvious that our viewpoints on the subject of the IFSJA club "benefits" are different. Ideally, everyone would give parts and help away gratis..but again..that isn't the real world. No harm..no foul. I too try to help members when I have the opportunity..even giving parts away and shipping them at my expense...as you have done. As a matter of fact, I just shipped a 360 cam/lifters to a member that was in dire need of one. I hope he puts it to good use. smile.gif

Elliot...I really don't understand your position on this whole subject. To put it mildly, you remind me of an AMC cheerleader that is out to ram the 401 [or any other AMC engine] down our throats. From your viewpoint, if it isn't an AMC it isn't worthy of consideration for use in a Jeep. Yeah..I take pot shots at the 401, but if you read my posts I would hope that you notice that they are mostly in good humor. I try to make it clear that it is my opinion. Anyway...all I'm trying to say is lighten up some. Geeezzz...your AMC only tirade is getting REAL old. :/

[Elliott]

It's the ever present drone man. Like when you try to have a discussion about a 360 or 401 and the "haters" come out to mock.
I don't think the AMC fans do that, at least I haven't and haven't seen it when there's a post about GM, Mopar, or Ford and Jeep. Think about it, seriously.... it gets old real fast. We can rip you for some lame aspect of whatever else you power your Jeep with, but that hasn't been our style. Then when it happens, all of a sudden in one single thread people get real uncomfortable. Well if you have a 360 or 401 and like it then you really don't like all the BS droning about perceived inherent and AMC specific shortcomings being spoused by a group of obvious AMC "haters".

Here we are again on another 401 thread with people complaining about how we stand up for AMC. Does this really make any sense?

Those who like the AMC engines aren't here to ram AMC down your throat, if you notice the thread you are referencing (and the thread you're on now) was about AMC and then somehow the Big Block baloney got involved as something superior to AMC. It's not, clearly not, but there were a bunch of guys trying to steer the topic off of AMC into an abyss of baloney.

For all those offended about Jeepers liking the AMC engines... you might want to just skip the threads rather then enter and mock and then complain about how long you had to engage in the thread or what the content was. For all the crap we all spewed some interesting things came up even with the GM cheerleaders in the conversation and maybe because of them.

It was nice to see some dynos run too, I like facts.

[ December 13, 2003, 09:32 PM: Message edited by: Elliott ]

[joe]

Originally posted by thehound:
boy o boy ask a simple ? and get a complex anwser:D you mean like when you asked " when I lift the hood how can I spot a 401" :D

Must be the holidays that get's everyones panties in a bunch. Sheesh you even whisper 401 around here anymore and it's like somebody yelled INCOMING! and all you hear is click, click, click of the safetys coming off on both sides. :(

But...for those of us that hate television this is a pretty darn good puter show. Guess I'll have to wait till the end though to see if it's a documenatary(not likely) a comedy or a spoof.

Happy Holidays smile.gif

[Elliott]

Originally posted by -joe:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by thehound:
boy o boy ask a simple ? and get a complex anwser:D you mean like when you asked " when I lift the hood how can I spot a 401" :D

Must be the holidays that get's everyones panties in a bunch. Sheesh you even whisper 401 around here anymore and it's like somebody yelled INCOMING! and all you hear is click, click, click of the safetys coming off on both sides. :(

But...for those of us that hate television this is a pretty darn good puter show. Guess I'll have to wait till the end though to see if it's a documenatary(not likely) a comedy or a spoof.

Happy Holidays smile.gif </font>[/QUOTE]And that's all a pretty fair commentary, click, click. ;)

[Retro93]

Originally posted by Elliott:
It's the ever present drone man. Like when you try to have a discussion about a 360 or 401 and the "haters" come out to mock.
I don't think the AMC fans do that, at least I haven't and haven't seen it when there's a post about GM, Mopar, or Ford and Jeep.

Naw...you never trash another persons opinion..or choice of engines.

Originally posted by Elliott:
Hey that '85 Chevy sure is a huge freakin' improvement over the 401, huh?
"The new 1985 Tuned Port Injected L-98 engine produced 230 hp and 330 pounds of torque."
http://citruscorvettes.com/ccknow.htm

How many years did it take to produce such a winner?Yup...with you it's AMC or nothing. Like I said....it geats REAL OLD.

[ColeTrickle]

http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=023820

[Marvin Gates]

I was looking at the results of the Silver State Challence today and the only AMX I found on there was http://www.silverstateclassic.com/results-97-may-18.htm AMX 149.7 and Javlen 179.6??? Thats a ways off from 217mph. Maybe wishful thinking.

[Rogue]

But...for those of us that hate television this is a pretty darn good puter show.Amen to that

[Retro93]

Originally posted by RogueStar:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />But...for those of us that hate television this is a pretty darn good puter show.Amen to that</font>[/QUOTE]Agreed Jeff. smile.gif

[Elliott]

Originally posted by ColeTrickle:
http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=023820 Originally posted by Elliott:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ColeTrickle:
http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=023820Do the editing for yourself, as in don't read about (click on) topics that disinterest you. This is a Jeep forum after all, if you don't care to read about issues related to Jeep power plants the power is in your finger. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]

[Elliott]

Originally posted by Marvin Gates:
I was looking at the results of the Silver State Challence today and the only AMX I found on there was http://www.silverstateclassic.com/results-97-may-18.htm AMX 149.7 and Javlen 179.6??? Thats a ways off from 217mph. Maybe wishful thinking.Here you go: http://www.amx-perience.com/Defender.htm

[Elliott]

Originally posted by Retro93:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Elliott:
It's the ever present drone man. Like when you try to have a discussion about a 360 or 401 and the "haters" come out to mock.
I don't think the AMC fans do that, at least I haven't and haven't seen it when there's a post about GM, Mopar, or Ford and Jeep.

Naw...you never trash another persons opinion..or choice of engines.

Originally posted by Elliott:
Hey that '85 Chevy sure is a huge freakin' improvement over the 401, huh?
"The new 1985 Tuned Port Injected L-98 engine produced 230 hp and 330 pounds of torque."
http://citruscorvettes.com/ccknow.htm

How many years did it take to produce such a winner?Yup...with you it's AMC or nothing. Like I said....it geats REAL OLD.</font>[/QUOTE]1) You obviously are missing some points in my posts if you believe that.
2) You must not read any of my other posts either.
3) It is not my position that it has to be AMC, 401 or nothing.......... I have said that repeatedly through multiple threads.
4) Who's "kicking a 401 block" everytime he walks past that thinks there is no place for it?

If you can't keep the facts straight about AMC at least try to understand there may be a place for it aside from the bottom of the heep. :rolleyes:

[tuckers89GW]

merry christmas everybody

[Elliott]

Cheers!!!!!!!