J100 Panel Truck on eBay Discussion

[The PIG Smith]

1967 Jeep : Wagoneer J100 Panel, Item number: 160187117440 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-Jeep-J100-Panel-former-Army-AudioVisual-vehicle_W0QQitemZ160187117440QQihZ006QQcategoryZ62 84QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-67-Panel/March17-PANEL/P3171189.jpg

Looks nice but has been modified.

My opinion is that that these rigs are a part of automotive history and should be preserved.

For example, I would love to own an original, numbers matching Javelin AMX with all the trimmings.
But I would not change a thing:
1. I would not want to destroy its value in a manner like MTV's "Pimp my Ride" would
2. Future generations, like my 10 year old son, wanna-be Jeep/car guy, should be able to enjoy cars like these, just as they were built,
either in a museum, at a car show, or as a possible owner.

Second example: Before it was stolen, I owned a 1973 Chevrolet Nova Custom.
This was a hatchback car, powered by an anemic 307 V8 and backed by a TH350.
Because the car was not a SS or in anyway collectible, I felt as if I had a free reign to modify it in anyway I desired.
My plans were for a hot fuel injected 350, 700R4, suspension mods, killer paint job.
I believe the term used to describe my plans is RestroMod; classic styling with modern technology and conveniences.

Discussion
Now this this J100 Panel rig is no longer original, would you RestroMod it?
What would do to it?
Keep it all AMC with a 360/401? Buick 350? SBC? Diesel?
Keep it Manual or automatic? 4 speed? 5 speed? TH400? TF727? Overdrive of sometype?
Modern open knuckle, disc brake axles?
Remove the roof platform and ladder?
Keep the paint scheme all monotone, like all black, or install some chrome?

[CougarCJ]

Tough call.

I would make the body appear stock with the elimination of the observation deck upstairs:rolleyes: .

Knowing me, I would want to upgrade the entire driveline. I am not sure specifically to what components I would use. That is kind of the reason I check into this site. Researching practical upgrades for a future Gladiator project.

[Mikel]

At $5000, I very much doubt it will sell. Panel wags may be rarer than Yenko Camaros, but the demand is even more scarce. And FSJ people are cheap @$%^@$ for the most part :thumbsup:

[The PIG Smith]

At $5000, I very much doubt it will sell. Panel wags may be rarer than Yenko Camaros, but the demand is even more scarce. And FSJ people are cheap @$%^@$ for the most part :thumbsup:
The seller explained why the high starting bid....was because of high water and he or the buyer would be unable to get to it.
Now, what I do not understand is why the seller could stop the auction.
Anyway, I give the seller a kudo for at least trying to communicate with the buyers.

WHAT? Jeep Owners CHEAP? Tell me it is not so!

[Ristow]

if he ends the auction he will owe the listing fee. if the auction ends with no bids he does not.

[YellowJeep]

Forgive my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with panel wagons at all. What makes it so special? To me, it looks like a Cherokee with no windows in the back and a different rear doors. Does anything else make it different?

Has anyone tried replicating one by just removing the rear windows on a cherokee and welding in a filler panel?

[tkiller13]

Id wheel it.

[Tad]

Id wheel it.
So would I!
Actually the only things I don't like about it are the extra relectors, the lights on the platform, the mismatched mirrors and that front bumper, all which could go away rather quick and easy like.

[Gambler68]

Isn't that Meister's rig? I posted a pic of it and that Benz the other week. :o

[DieselSJ]

I know what you mean about the mods. I am going through that same debate about my CJ5 right now. It is lightly modded, but taking it back to 100% stock is still possible. I see people chopping them to pieces to make trail rigs out of them - hacking bodies, stretching frames, etc... I was thinking about TJ fender flares, but that means cutting the body. I thought about finding another CJ5 to do a total resto, but it seems that you can't find one that hasn't been chopped and hacked. So, do I preserve it or do I hack it (even preserved, it will still see trails)? Decisions decisions decisions.

Something like that panel - I think as long as the mods can be undone, then go ahead. I'd hate to see the body or frame chopped. Wheel it, too - after all, it is a Jeep.

[Elliott]

Isn't that Meister's rig? I posted a pic of it and that Benz the other week. :o

Yes it is and it'd down in the heart of the flooding in WA right now so I hope it makes it through all that. It made it through the flood in '96, but this one is worse.

[Gambler68]

Yes it is and it'd down in the heart of the flooding in WA right now so I hope it makes it through all that. It made it through the flood in '96, but this one is worse.

hmm me too. A real FSJ'er woulda popped it in reverse and took the highground on top of the benz :D

[SCscoutguy]

If I were to find a original rig that had not been modified in any way I would restore it. However if I were to find a rig like that one on ebay that someone has already modified a good bit I would not have any problem wheeling the living daylights out of it. I feel the same way you do about older vehicles that people modify and rod out. I love old IH trucks from the 30's 40's and 50's and it breaks my hearts to see idiots slam them to the ground and put in 350's. It is destroying a piece of American history that there isnt much left of.

[Lindel]

Originally posted by YellowJeep

Forgive my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with panel wagons at all. What makes it so special? To me, it looks like a Cherokee with no windows in the back and a different rear doors. Does anything else make it different?

The panel wagons are extremely rare, and are getting more so. There wasn't a great demand for them while being built, so not many got made.

As far as transplanting said doors? Not an easy task. The reinforcements for the barn doors isn't a part of the standard waggies (the Cherokee's didn't exist at the time, only wagoneers and gladiators) and would have to be fabricated, not to mention either fabbing up the doors or finding a viable donor (either would a difficult task at best).

In a nutshell, that's what makes them special, at least as far as FSJ's are concerned.

[red mistress]

I used be the one that would take a nice org. rig and hack it, that was 15-25 years ago. I totally trashed 3 really nice rust free origional paint 66-77 Broncos. Still wish I had the really nice 77 back, but I laid it on side in a creek crossing at night.
I've grown out of all that, but still have the hot rod/modify bug and have to restrain myself.

What's going to be popular and acceptable if you want to modify an old historic rig for future generations?
I know a few collectors and everyone is of the opinion there is nothing wrong with modifying like they did in the day vehicle was fairly new. And even adding modern safety items such as steering and brakes for a driver quality vehicle.

Any mod that can be easily undone is also fine, in my opinion, as long as origional parts are kept is what I lean towards.

Thankfully the prices have risen on CJ-2A's and all CJ's where a survivor barn find is worth way more than a built trail rig. So enthusists know it is cheaper to wheel junk than ruin a peice of automotive history. Also the hard core trail's really require a purpose built tube buggy to really keep up with that crowd.
FSJ will be next for values to rise, CJ's aren't as much fun when the baby boomers with money get older.
Look at what some of the older better established magazines are starting to run article's about. Old iron doing light trails.
Who cares about reading an article on a JK?

If someone is looking for a Panel Wag, I found an origional one last week.

[mdill]

Here is a link to what I think is the pictures of the truck from 2 years ago, when John had it. (Is it John who is selling it?, is it the same truck?)

I think there were some good pictures of how the panel doors were mounted and renforcments, but I don't see them now.

(Red Mistress, look though the parent dir, there are some great looking RED pickup shots)

http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/The67Panel/

[Elliott]

John' selling it and it's the same truck.

[gp_frk]

I'd chop the top open up the fenders paint some flames on the front slap on some 35s and roll it :p :stir: :stir:

[mdill]

I'd chop the top open up the fenders paint some flames on the front slap on some 35s and roll it :p :stir: :stir:
That has been done to death:rolleyes: come up with an origional way to destroy it:thumbsup:

BTW here is some pics. from Johns site http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-67-Panel/

[addicted]

I'd chop the top open up the fenders paint some flames on the front slap on some 35s and roll it :p :stir: :stir:

Pot stirrin Texans :grumble:................:hide:

[skeletor]

did those panel wagons have a d44 or was it the d27a? in any case i would get rid of the camo return it to the look the military gave it with all those cool gadgets that was on the rack and keep 4" lift on it. or just wheel the hell out of it but without the camo just od green would be fine. its sad though when your mercedes has more dirt on its tires than your jeep.:D

[fulsizjeep]

I'd chop the top open up the fenders paint some flames on the front slap on some 35s and roll it :p :stir: :stir:

I call yer :stir: and raise you a good :batter beatin:...
I would cut that back end off with the barn doors to graft on a newer model Waggy and crush the rest. Nuttin else there worth keeping. Let the kittens fall in their tracks... :p

[red mistress]

What if the Panel was a low mile, rust free Super Wag with clean interior?

Who's brave enough to hack it & wheel it?

[fulsizjeep]

Well, a Super huh? I would save the trim and special Super Waggy parts and sell them for a premium on eBay. Then just go grazy on it with lift, sawzall and at least 34" TSLs. Watahay... :whistle:

[red mistress]

I set myself up & and that hurt.

Hopefully, the price you had to pay for rig you wouldn't make it up on dbay.

Sell the whole thing to me for 10

[fulsizjeep]

Hey man. Nuthin personal, I was just kidding. Ya know I would probably ride a Super as stock as I could for as long as I could. :D Then look it over and take the next step.

[bigun]

I feel the same way you do about older vehicles that people modify and rod out. I love old IH trucks from the 30's 40's and 50's and it breaks my hearts to see idiots slam them to the ground and put in 350's. It is destroying a piece of American history that there isnt much left of.
Remind me not to tell you what I have in mind for a 52 L110 presently sitting in mom's back 40! I wll garuntee that no chevy engine will get with in snffing range of it's engine bay!! As for th discusson at hand I would probably demodify it some to bring it closer to my tastes.

[red mistress]

It was just a pretend deal, knew you weren't serious about cutting a super.

Wonder how many Super survivors are there out there?

Anyone ever seen a nice one?

[james1414d]

I see a nice one everyday! :)

[Gambler68]

What if the Panel was a low mile, rust free Super Wag with clean interior?

Who's brave enough to hack it & wheel it?

One of those would get it's 327 turboed, the Th400 swapped for a 2WD OD trans, a nice road suspension and some 17" muscle car style rims. And of course later style D44's swapped in with BIG disc brakes.

There's enough later style station wagons.err..Wagoneers to chop and wheel. No one misses those :D :hide:

[red mistress]

Gambler my thoughts exactly:

The 327 turbo would be a major exercice in injunity. I've seen Flint's pics of where someone did it long ago.

I'm right there with you on the brakes and OD tranny. Slot wheels?

The 1414X isn't the same as a Super, doesn't that just have some of the same options?

A super with the $460 optional sunroof would really throw it over the top.

I thought seriously about super charging my 401 but would have to change to FAST fuel injection for more programming capabilities.
That turbo with an automatic would definately be kicking for the super.

I've been buying NOS parts as found for Super and guess that will be next Jeep project. Who Knows...

[fulsizjeep]

I set up the photo album for James. Maybe that should not say 1414X? I forget, but his is a super real SUPER! :thumbsup:
http://frontier.net/~mystkblu/07james1414x/
If I had a chance at one, I would hope for a 327 and live big! :cool:

[red mistress]

That's the first picture of any car that I would want in my RED collection.

There was a red super made as I've seen pics of one in junkyard, trying to get its A/C.

While we're on Super subject, was there an option of dual tanks with the factory exterior trim special?
Parts hunter was asking me this question.

Whats the going price on Super that nice?

[james1414d]

my last wag was a 1414x. currently have a super. I should change my screen name maybe

[red mistress]

That's my favorite Avatar, leave it til you tatoo the other arm with Super and then that'd be cool.

I dated this girl in college that had her brother's Chevy on 44's on her lower back. At least that's what she told me was that it was her brothers...

I still have that truck-memory instilled in my brain.

[shimniok]

It'd be a shame to hack up I guess... but it isn't like this is a vehicle that is sought after by anyone with bucks. If it were, it'd be a different story.

That is to say, they aren't worth a darn thing cuz no one cares except our little cult. So while it sucks for those of us who care to see rare originals hacked up... well... in the big scheme of things it really doesn't matter.

It isn't like this is a muscle car, or a rare euro car or whatnot. Maybe in another 50 years they'll start to appreciate but most of us balk at paying a measly $5k for one of these.

Me, I wouldn't want it... no Panavision(TM)! And impossible rear seat access. Would be a nightmare to drive and wheel with the giant blind spots. But I hope it goes to someone who isn't going to pull a Cappa on it.

Michael

[fulsizjeep]

I am more comfortable dealing with 76 and newer FSJs personally. A panel would be nice to have some day. I could have had a 63 in Flagstaff a few years ago for $800, but we were really broke back then. Maybe this one is still around. Pix taken Dec 2003. Don't be fooled. It was a mess with a GM 305 cu.in. V8 & metric 2WD tranny and nightmare wiring harness.

http://frontier.net/~mystkblu/63panel4.jpg

http://frontier.net/~mystkblu/63panel_lf.jpg
Just can't save them all... :fsj: