Dana 44 bible?

[JeepsAndGuns]

Is there a D44 bible out there somewhere? Basicly I am looking for something just like the dana 60 page on pirate. I tried googleing and didnt come up with mutch usefull info.
I have a friend at work who has a CJ7 and he just picked up a free 44 front. The deal is not as good as it sounds. Its from a late 70's waggy, but the guy he got it from, got it just to rob the flat tops off of, then ended up selling the shafts, spindles, and hubs. So all he has is the housing with the R&P. He is running a scout 44 rear and has a new set of tires and wheels, so he wants to stick with 5 on 5.5in wheel bolt pattern. So what we need to know is what knuckles, spindles, hubs, and caliper mounts will interchange with each other. I know that on my ford D60 front, the knuckles and spindles are diffrent than the chevy/dodge ones. The ford uses 5 studs to hold the spindle on, and the caliper mount goes between the knuckle and the spindle. And on the chevy/dodge, they have 6 studs holding the spindles on, and the caliper mount is on the outside of the spindle. Also the ford stub shaft is shorter. Is it the same way for the ford D44's too?
Could you use chevy (or even jeep) knuckles/spindles, with ford hubs/rotors? I know the hubs will need to be ford, but what about the rest? He's not planing on lots of lift and is looking for some non-flat top knuckles to stay cheap. (we are hopeing to find someone who just swaped on flat tops and want to sell their old non flat tops for dirt cheap)

Sorry for the slight OT. Hopeing yall wont mind since it involves parts from a FSJ...lol I kinda got recruited for this project since I am the resident jeep nut at work. :eek: :thumbsup:

[Dmntxn77]

I think that it will all swap with a 10bolt, but other than that, I am not sure..

Scouts didnt come with D44 fronts?

[SCscoutguy]

You could but everything off of a Scout II and it would bolt right up and give you a 5x5.5 bolt pattern. I would however get some non flat top FSJ knuckles and used some small bearing spindles with ford hubs and rotors. This is what most Scout people do when they are using a GM 44 front housing during a SOA conversion. This gives you a 5x5.5 bolt pattern and the big plus is you now have common on the shelf brake parts. It is really nice to be able to walk into any parts house and pay $20 for a new rotor as oposed to $100 each for a Scout II rotor.

[-Bluegill-]

Scouts didnt come with D44 fronts?

Not all did - the 4cyl models came standard with either D25, D27, or D30. D44 was optional. The V8 & diesel models had D44 fronts standard.
IIRC, that is - been many years since I was a hardcore Binder fan.

[SCscoutguy]

Not all did - the 4cyl models came standard with either D25, D27, or D30. D44 was optional. The V8 & diesel models had D44 fronts standard.
IIRC, that is - been many years since I was a hardcore Binder fan.
Little bit of misinformation here. The little Scout 80's and 800's were made from 61-70 and none of them had Dana 44 fronts. Only Dana 27's and Dana 30's. In 1971 the Scout II came out and it had a drum brake Dana 30 front axle. In 1974 all Scout II's started to come standard with a disc brake Dana 44 front axle.

[JeepsAndGuns]

Well the rear axle he has had in there for a year or so. He got it by itself, the scout was already missing the front axle, so no scout front. He is gonna try to get this wag front running. But dont the scouts use external style hubs? I am pretty sure he wants the internal style. But I will ask him to make sure.

[ncjeepers]

Another option... he can use everything from the knuckles on out from his CJ D30 on that D44.
Problem is the axle shafts... he'll need the inner shafts from a Wag D44 (to match his housing) and the outers from a Scout D44 (to match the external hubs).
This way, he won't have to fool with correcting his steering geometry. Unfortunately, the CJ knuckles put the tierod so close to the D44 diff cover that he won't be able to run a larger diameter tierod.
If he wants to stick with the internal hubs, his best bet would be to rob everything from the knuckles out, including the outer shafts, from a Ford. He'll still need Wag inner shafts to match his housing.

[JeepsAndGuns]

Well I spent some time searching ebay and other places hopeing for some pics. I have found the following.
It appears that the ford knuckles use 5 studs to hold on the spindle (just like my ford D60 front) I couldnt find a really good pic of this, but it also looks like the ford caliper mount is in between the knuckle and the spindle. (like the 60 front) So I am thinking it might make it easyer to go all ford (knuckle, spindle, caliper mounts, hubs and rotors) I figure that way we have less of a chance of buying parts that wont work together.
However, while on ebay I also saw a pair of spindles from a TTB 44, they were 6 bolt style. So could you use the TTB spindles and hubs on a chevy/jeep knuckle?

[litlmeck]

Is there a D44 bible out there somewhere? :eek: :thumbsup:


Closest thibg I have found is Mr. N's page

http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/web_rs44.html

[JeepsAndGuns]

Pics are kinda crappy, but a good read. I am about halfway through.....

[dusty]

using the wagoneer front axle housing, 6 bolt knuckles, inner shafts and stub shafts. no point in changing things when all you need are a few basics.

you need 77 and earlier chevy / jeep 1/2 ton spindles in mid 1977 chevy and jeep went to a larger diameter spindle you'll need the smaller spindle.

then you need ford 1980-85 5 on 5.5 rotors and hubs.

done and easy. dont mess with d30 stuff or the scout stuff, the hubs and rotors are becoming more and more money and the stub shafts are dinky:drivin:

any questions pm me


________________

edit add: this might help pretty much goes into more detail

http://www.jeepgod.net/d44625.html

[JeepsAndGuns]

Well all we have is the housing, no knuckles or anything. But we may have things covered. Another member is swaping on chevy/jeep outers onto a ford axle, and will sell us all the old ford 5 on 5.5 knuckles/spindles/hubs. So that may fix us right up.
But definately gonna put your info into memory. Never know when that info will come in handy in the future.