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Jameshallmodel
10-12-2007, 02:25 PM
Anybody else watching this on the History Channel today. Its on right now for the second time. Lots of old Willy's and Rhino grills:thumbsup:
grand_wag_85
10-12-2007, 02:38 PM
Seen it before, sweet 2 door Waggy.:cool:
DanHS
10-12-2007, 08:23 PM
Second time... more like 50th time, they show it every few months. That nice two door Waggy belongs to Jim and Peg Marski, they bought it from a dealer that somehow never sold it. Seeing that Waggy is a part of what got me into FSJ's
-Bluegill-
10-13-2007, 12:28 AM
Saw it today, anybody else notice that they were showing the nice tudor Waggy & at the same time mentioning the wrong year model? :rolleyes: Something like '49, IIRC.
It was interesting to find out that Land Rover got it's start by reverse engineering a Willys MB.......never knew that. I've got much less respect for Rovers now. Also, did I miss a part of the show, or did they NOT mention that AMC designed the H1 Hummer? :confused:
It was interesting to find out that Land Rover got it's start by reverse engineering a Willys MB.......never knew that. I've got much less respect for Rovers now.
Don't believe everything you see on "TV". :rolleyes:
-Bluegill-
10-13-2007, 02:53 AM
Don't believe everything you see on "TV". :rolleyes:
Read it for yourself......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_rover
Look at the "History" section.
Jameshallmodel
10-13-2007, 05:34 AM
yes they said American Motors designed the Hummer.
SCscoutguy
10-13-2007, 07:20 AM
yes they said American Motors designed the Hummer.
They said AM General which was associated with AMC but it was AM General that designed and built the Humvee.
skeletor
10-13-2007, 08:16 AM
am general was the military wing of amc. too bad renault had to buy 80% of amc and make amc sell am general because the french now owned the majority of amc.
Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81
10-13-2007, 11:24 AM
didnt the prototype of the Humvee have an AMC motor??? I thought I heard that somewhere...
shimniok
10-13-2007, 01:15 PM
"...Rovers cite vehicles driven thousands of miles on banana oil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_oil)." (Wikipedia)
Ok, that is just cool. I knew there was some inspiration/connection with the old Jeeps. Didn't know about the surplus cockpit paint(!)
I probably saw the tv show once or twice... so naturally I've forgotten most of it :rolleyes:
Read it for yourself......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_rover
Look at the "History" section.
You're using wiki for your source of definative info????
You're kidding right?:eek: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I got a really swell bridge out east for sale and some "prime" waterfront in FL for sale....email me with your bank account specifics an I'll set you up for a life of landmark ownership and retirement luxury and ease....:lol:
18cherokee
10-18-2007, 10:26 PM
well, atleast wiki noted that the wagoneer was arguably the original luxury suv as opposed to the range rover as many believe...despite the fact the wagoneer came out 7 years before the range rover :rolleyes:
Dmntxn77
10-18-2007, 10:46 PM
You're using wiki for your source of definative info????
You're kidding right?:eek: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I got a really swell bridge out east for sale and some "prime" waterfront in FL for sale....email me with your bank account specifics an I'll set you up for a life of landmark ownership and retirement luxury and ease....:lol:
Maybe you should google the dudes name with keyword Jeep before you poke to much fun..
It is pretty common info. The Jeep frame is questionable, but it is a FACT that he was inspired by his old willys farm Jeep.
fulsizjeep
10-18-2007, 11:01 PM
Sure. Seen it. Enjoyed it. Believed it. ;)
Hey, sometimes the details boggle the mind when looking at Jeep history. And we are all experts in our own minds. Whatahey. They built pretty much whatever would sell so some models very small numbers were produced. December's Vintage Truck mag has a nice layout on the 26 year history of the M170/CJ6 citing just shy of 50,000 were made that whole time. Only 10% of those sold in the US.
Jim Marski brought his beautiful 64 2 door to Ouray in 2002 for the big 40th FSJ anniversary bash too.
http://jubileejeeps.org/picture_library/61_jpg.jpg
azwagoneer80
10-19-2007, 12:40 PM
Swwwweeeeet! I love that 64.
tgreese
10-19-2007, 12:47 PM
December's Vintage Truck mag has a nice layout on the 26 year history of the M170/CJ6 citing just shy of 50,000 were made that whole time. Only 10% of those sold in the US.
That seems unlikely ... There are probably about 5000 CJ-6s currently in existence in the USA.
50,000 total domestic production is probably right, and 10% of total production stayed in the USA? 500,000 seems pretty high - that's probably the entire export production for Jeep before 1975.
Jim Marski brought his beautiful 64 2 door to Ouray in 2002 for the big 40th FSJ anniversary bash too.
I like the Marski wagon too - IIRC the show mixes up the Wagoneer with the Utility Wagon in the narration. Still a fun show to watch - you can't expect the producers to get every detail right.
Dmntxn77
10-19-2007, 01:20 PM
That seems unlikely ... There are probably about 5000 CJ-6s currently in existence in the USA.
50,000 total domestic production is probably right, and 10% of total production stayed in the USA? 500,000 seems pretty high - that's probably the entire export production for Jeep before 1975.
Dunno about that. I dont see CJ-6 very often if ever.. CJ-5's & CJ-7's yeah..
tgreese
10-19-2007, 01:42 PM
Dunno about that. I dont see CJ-6 very often if ever.. CJ-5's & CJ-7's yeah..
I've owned a couple of them (and own a '75 today) - and there are 2 or 3 dozen that I know of.
There may not have been 50,000 made, but I'd guess there were at least a few hundred made every year of production - from 1954 (?) through 1975, the last year. Say 500 per year, that's 10,500 total - I think that's probably a low estimate. To make the 5000 number, that's 250 per year - that seems extraordinarily low compared to the number of them that are around now.
Here's mine in it's previous life:
http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~reese/1a07_1.JPG
Dmntxn77
10-19-2007, 01:48 PM
Those are cool.. But I personally NEVER see them around..
grand_wag_85
10-19-2007, 02:09 PM
Those are cool.. But I personally NEVER see them around..
I never saw any until I moved out here, have seen 6 in the last 3 months. All in Denver for some reason.
rustywagoneers_com
10-19-2007, 02:15 PM
Maurice and Spencer Wilkes built the first rover prototype on a MB / GPW frame, with a rover sedan 1.6 engine adapted in. quoted from the book by GN Mackie and D McDine, with Ken and Julie Slavin. Guys (and gal) who were associated with factory rover expeditions for 30 plus years.
Prototypes 2 and following were fabbed frames, IIRC, but number one was on army jeep frame axles and springs.
steel was very hard to get in the UK after the war, they designed their frame rails to be cut from strips (top, bottom, and sides) and then welded together. but in order to get any allocations of steel OK'd by the govmint, they had to make a VERY VERY VERY strong case that this vehicle would have a large export market. they built number one on what they had, (the old jeep from Maurice Wilks farm) with a body they made out of an aluminum alloy they called 'birma-bright' (birmingham, england, i presume)
anyway, wiki is not always right, but this here book, i believe...
peace
Dave
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