w/t WMS

[tylerd13]

how wide is a w/t dana 44 rear axle.

[Stuka]

60.5ish

[jepj2000]

I think about 65" could be wrong though. I think its tadsal with a link in his sig that has a whole bunch of wms info.

Rankin

[tylerd13]

does anyone know If SF 14 bolts came that narrow? or mostly 67.5

[Stuka]

The front axle is around 64.5 or so. But the rear is just about 60.5. An NT rear for example is 57.5".

Just about every 'Big 3' pickup rear axle is around 67" or so (for SRW applications).

However, a 67" axle will work. Thats what J-Trucks used.

[tylerd13]

well I just dont want my rear wheels sticking out more than my front.

[tylerd13]

Actually what is a stonger axle than a d44 that is 6 lug and close to the same width as a front w/t d44. How about a 9"

[jepj2000]

If you upgrade the shafts in a Model 20 rearend from a Cheif or Jtruck that should be stronger than a D44. They have much larger R/Ps and can be really good axle.

Rankin

[Stuka]

9" axles are 5x5.5 lug. The M23 is not worth upgrading the shafts in. If you go to a stronger axle you should go with a D60 or 14FF. The rear being a little wider than the front is no big deal. Slightly worse turning radius.
Jeep made the J-Trucks that way for 35 years.

[tylerd13]

how well will the stock d44 hold up if im running 35's 4.10's locked. and a heavy right foot? I need to stay with a 6 lug design because I already have wheels. and my front d44 is 6 lug..

also If I run the d44 in the rear its offset to the right for the q/t will I have any issues running a dana 20 tcase?

[Stuka]

Well if you are going to have a heavy foot, you should not be swapping in a D20. A d20 has a weak rear output that will break with a heavy foot and 35's. A d44 can hold up ok to that combo, but its still a half ton SF axle. Personally, I would swap to a D60 in back and convert the front to 8 lug using common found parts. Steel wheels are cheap, and IMHO its not worth keeping your setup because of a set of wheels.

If you decide to go away with the whole heavy footed thing, that setup could last you a really long time for street and basic trail use. Oh and the D20 will work with the QT rear axle, but you will go through u-joints a bit faster than if you had a centered rear axle.

[tylerd13]

I think im going to go with d44 and d20 because thats what I have right already. If I break sometihng i'll deal with it.. I dont want to go to 1 tons because I'm not using this as extreme trail rig.. I'm building a rock buggy for that.. this is just a half dd half mudder/messing around truck. I might see if I can find a d44 with a centered pumpkin thats the same length at the junkyard...

[Stuka]

Find a D44 from a manual trans WT Cherokee or J10. And you dont have to go 1 tons, the front can stay as is. A D60 is a 3/4 ton rear end.

[Dmntxn77]

You can make the 15 hour drive up to Tacoma, WA and buy my HD44/D60 combo... :D

Also, I dont know why people keep calling the offset rear D44 a q/t axle.. I have had 3 D20 equiped FSJ's and they all had/have off-set rear axles.

[Stuka]

You can make the 15 hour drive up to Tacoma, WA and buy my HD44/D60 combo... :D

Also, I dont know why people keep calling the offset rear D44 a q/t axle.. I have had 3 D20 equiped FSJ's and they all had/have off-set rear axles.

The QT axle is offset 3" farther than a D20 axle is. The D20 axle is offset just enough to barely clear the fuel tank (I actually hit my fuel tank several times with the dif). The QT axle is offset all the way over to the shock mount.

[Dmntxn77]

Ahhh.. I see, I see... That explains that..

[tylerd13]

Find a D44 from a manual trans WT Cherokee or J10. And you dont have to go 1 tons, the front can stay as is. A D60 is a 3/4 ton rear end.

why is a dana 60 front a one ton and the rear not... isn't it the same r/p and shafts... just the front has knuckles and outers? or I could be wrong(more than likely)

[Stuka]

Rear axles take most of the stress, so they are generaly larger than the rears. D60's never came as a rear axle in a 1 ton application. That has been reserved for the D70 and 14FF. For the Front, a D30 is 1/4 ton, D44/10B is 1/2 and 3/4 ton, D60's are 1 ton. SD60's are 1.25 ton.

D60's have the same size shafts as a D44 (1.31"). But they are full floating, which makes them far stronger than a D44's semi-float setup.

[jepj2000]

D60's have the same size shafts as a D44 (1.31"). But they are full floating, which makes them far stronger than a D44's semi-float setup.

and they have the larger, stronger R/P to go with the full floating.

Rankin