A couple of Questions

[Mahamotorworks]

I just bought 2 FSJ one Wagoneer and a Grand Wagoneer. I am going to keep one stock and lift the other to have a noce off road toy. The plans were to go SOA with little problems but the more I do the reasearch the more I find out it will end up costing me. Any way I wanted to find out how people liked their SOA kits with the Rear Shackle Flip kit? As of now it is the plan to go SOA on the front and Shackle Flip in the rear on the off road jeep. It may be some time before I have the cash to make the desired mods but they will happen. I will get some pics loaded when I get the wagons home and have some good idea.

MAHA

[H Callaway]

You are way ahead of many. It looks like you decided to start off with 2 Jeeps. No reason to hold back. Good Luck. I am sure someone can help you with your real question.

[Mahamotorworks]

I found out more info about my FSJ. One is a Quadra track. This isnt a bad thing but I wanted to do some modifications to the drivetrain. I have a friend who has a Dana 60 axle he will sell to me. I will have to re-gear it but that is no problem. Then next thing I want to do it go SOA and change the T-Case to a dual stick. I am not sure what t-case to change to . Dose any one know what will be the best T-Case to go with? The plans for the jeep is a off road jeep that uses the road to get to the trails. I will probably do little road driving with it, that is why I got the 2nd FSJ.

Any info is appericated.

MAHA

[Lindel]

If you want to stay with the original TH400, then your choices are a little limited. A dana 20 is about the best you can do with a part time case.

However, you can rearrange the internals and should be able to swap in pretty much any transfer case that was installed using a TH400. Or, you can swap in the tranny of your choice and go from there. Your options are limited then by the passenger side drop axle. There are cures for that too...

[Mahamotorworks]

I just picked the titles for the Jeeps up. I have a 1977 Jeep Wagoneer, with Quadra-track, and 1989 Grand Wagoneer. The 77 will be the Off-Road Jeep, and the 89 the Daily Driver. I will get some pics up this weekend.

MAHA

[steven79]

Welcome to the list. The soa with the shackle flip in the rear will do real good as the stock springs will flex real good.

[Mahamotorworks]

I have been doing some reasearch and I have a plan. Looking at what they came with from the factory I have come up with a plan to do some part swapping pending on compatibility.

Here is the run down of what the Waggys have now. The 77 has 360 Motor, TH400 GM Trans, BW 1339 T-Case, Dana 44 Front and a AMC 20 Rear Axles. The 89 has 360 Motor, TF-727 Trans, NP-219 T-Case, Dana 44 Front And Rear Axles.

The Plan is to swap parts between the 3 until the 77 has a 360 Motor, TF-727 Trans, NP-219 T-Case (or swap to Dana 300 T-Case w/twin stick), Dana 44 Front and Dana 44 Rear Axle. I might get a Dana 60 Rear Axle to put under it.

This leaves the 89 with 360 Motor, TH-400 Trans, BW 1339 T-Case, Dana 44 Front and AMC 20 Rear.

I just wanted to know if this sounds like a good plan.

Thanks

MAHA

[Mahamotorworks]

Once I locate my data cabel for my camera I will upload the photos I got.

There is a change in plans. Both Rear axles are SOA already so I will have do a SF on it. I just have to decide what T- Case I will run I am looking for a Dana 300. If I get the Dana 300 I will have to swap Tranny's so it will bolt up with out an adaptor.

Any reccommendations on a SF Kits?

MAHA

[steven79]

The 77 should be dana 44 front and rear

[Mahamotorworks]

According to this site http://www.jeepgod.net/wagoneer.html It has an AMC 20 rear. Either way it will need a shackle flip kit to match the SOA on the front. I am thinking about buying BJ's kit from here. http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/prodInfo.asp?pid=844&cid=14
This should give me 7 inches of lift. My next question is this enough to run 35 inch tires? I have price 33's and 35 arent that much more. I kinda want the 35's but would like to stay away from a body lift if possible. Maybe I will add 2" lift springs.

MAHA

[Lindel]

From experience, it has a D44 rear, but it's easy to tell. If it's an AMC 20, then it'll be a round smooth cover, if it's a D44, then it'll have bulges and won't be round.

AMC 20 were only used in FSJ's from 80 to 85 or 86. All other years was the D44 in half-ton rigs. Aside from a few years of a D27 at the beginning, the only front axle is a D44.

Of course, all bets are off if it's been swapped in. Easy way to tell if that's the case, for a 77, the rear should be offset to the passenger's side, a little if it's a Dana 20 transfer case, or more if it's a QT. The AMC 20 will be centered, which could be an issue with the gas tank clearnce and the driveshaft.

[talntar]

Rear Type & ModelSF, Dana 44 (1971-75 Wag, 1/2 ton Trk, 74-83 wide track, 87-91 Grand Wag) SF, AMC 20 (1976-86 Wag & 1/2 ton Truck) SF, Dana 60 (1971-1987 3/4 ton Truck) FF, Dana 60 (1971-87 3/4 ton, 1 ton Truck)Ratios3.07, 3.31/3.54, 3.73 Wagoneer 3.07, 3.54/3.73, 4.09 Truck

thats a lot of bad info from that site.

[mdill]

The 89 and 77 will both have D-44 front and rear.
Swapping the driver side offset T-case into the 77 is not a great idea,
if you want beef, keep your eyes open and find a GM T-400 + 205 T-case
keep your 400 case and swap in the Chevy tail parts to mate to the 205.
The 205 though not geared as well as a D-300 is a much tougher case than the 300 by far.

On lift for a pure off road truck you are better off chopping before lifting, the lower the CG the better.

Mike D.

[Mahamotorworks]

Thanks for the correct info. That saves me a lot of wrench turning. How would the QT T-Case hold up to off road abuse? It will be a mostly off road rig so the FT 4WD wont bother me.

Thanks

MAHA

[Gambler68]

works fine for us up here :) If you cant/dont want to pay for the fluid, you can mix your own with 30 weight non detergent oil and LSD additive, that and the $125 chains that drive them are the only every couple years change out items. If you plan on high rpm spinning in the mud alot, not the best choice but it'll work great till it breaks. :D

[Mahamotorworks]

What type of fluid dose it use? I havent looked that up yet. I think that I will run the QT till it dies. I will be looking for A Dana 300 that will fit with out a front axle swap while I am waiting for things to break. I was told that I will need a Ford Dana 300 for it to have the Pass drop. Is that correct? I will lift it then see what else I want to do.

Thanks

MAHA

[KE7DZZ]

Just FYI, I have a '79 Cherokee Chief WT with the QT system,TH-400 tranny, D44s front and rear, no lift, 33" tires. It is all powered by a slightly modified AMC 360. I routinely put newer fullsize Chevy-Dodge-Ford trucks to shame, very few of them can/will do what my mostly stock Chero can do. The Quadra-Trac system has had some bad press over the years, but it has sold me on FT 4wd. If you maintain it properly, it kicks butt!

But that's just my .02

[Mahamotorworks]

I just wanted to make sure that my front Axle was a Dana 44 Here is the pic I got of it the other day. Here is the link ot the Photo Album with my FSJ photos. http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k158/Mahamotorworks/FSJ/

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k158/Mahamotorworks/FSJ/Wagoneers13.jpg

Thanks

MAHA

[Gambler68]

yep. 99.9% of jeeps came with a D44 front. 3/4 tons came with an 8 lug HD44. Good for up to 35" tires, although 31-33" are the most common run on them. Not sure what you wheel in Panama, describe it!

[Mahamotorworks]

There isnt much here in Panama City, Florida. Most of it is sand and ditches. There is a Local Jeep club that drives to other place to go wheelin'. It has been a while since I been out wheelin' I have been in the middle east with my company for 6 months. When I get it up and running I will get some good photos. Here is the local Clubs page the first pic changes and will show some of the minor stuff we have. http://www.panamacityjeepclub.com/

I also plan to do some mudding at the local bog.

MAHA

[BarryL]

If you look closely, you'll find the tag (on the right side in your pic) between to of the cover bolts that will identify the axle type and ratio.