TripleR Fabworks introduces FSJ rock sliders

[rockjeep44]

I'm fixing to release these in the vendor forum but wanted to show them here first to gauge interest.

Details:
The sliders are made from 1.75"/.120 wall HREW with 1.5"/.120 wall HREW thrown in for braces and mounting feet. They are 5' long and should fit the '79 to '91 Wagons. The ends are not capped in the pictures but they will have end caps welded on. They are made to be welded directly to the frame.

Pricing:
$289/pair + shipping.

Options:
If there is enough interest (post up) I can make some out of .120 DOM. Your choice will be either to have the main straight section to be made out of DOM (+$30) or to have the straight and bent tubes to be made out of DOM (+$30). The 1.5" will remain HREW.

http://www.rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/d/20477-2/L1030876.jpg

http://www.rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/d/20498-2/L1030883.jpg

http://www.rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/d/20492-2/L1030881.jpg

http://www.rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/d/20489-2/L1030880.jpg


Entire album:
http://www.rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/v/users/andrew/sliders/


Any questions you have please post up. Also, let me know how many of you are interested. I need to place a quantity steel order in the next few days.

[Slick Willie]

I like them. I've already cut out my rocker pannels, and I'll just use extra DOM from my cage, but for most of these guys, these would be great.

Where on the frame do the feet tie to the frame? I'm just wondering about the crossmember bolts and the "frame widening" bend.

[Desert Beast]

wheres your yellow star ****er? :D

they look good, for those that still have rockers. :thumbsup:

[etjeep]

Nice piece of work Andrew. We need more people building stuff for our toys! Too bad I alreay have sliders.

Just some constructive critisim....If I was building/selling them, I would call them rocker guards because I personally have a hard time envisioning sliding off any rocks that get caught in the gap between the two long bars. I could be wrong, I just can't envision it. I don't recall what the major manufacturers like Weston call them in their marketing brochures.

Like so many of us, I got disappointed in what was available on the after market for our toys. So rather than give up when I could not find anything to bolt on, I figured out how to get what I wanted designed and built for my needs at that time. Good luck with your endevours and cheers for building FSJ stuff.

[backpack09]

Is there anyway you could make them bolt in? Here in Mass, it is illegal to weld to the frame on street(ish) vehicles.

[rockjeep44]

I like them. I've already cut out my rocker pannels, and I'll just use extra DOM from my cage, but for most of these guys, these would be great.

Where on the frame do the feet tie to the frame? I'm just wondering about the crossmember bolts and the "frame widening" bend.

The feet are placed so that they will not interfere with any frame bolts. Also, you can see all 3 are different lengths to compensate for the frame bends. This makes them more difficult to make but it is what it is.


Is there anyway you could make them bolt in? Here in Mass, it is illegal to weld to the frame on street(ish) vehicles.

Yea, but it would be a bit of a PITA for the installer. The front mounting foot mounts where the frame is boxed. You'd have to drill all the way through and use long bolts.

[4x4fEvEr]

those look great, too bad i already destroyed my rockers

[Ralph Rogers]

I think they look functional for what most folks do.
Ralph

[Slick Willie]

The feet are placed so that they will not interfere with any frame bolts. Also, you can see all 3 are different lengths to compensate for the frame bends. This makes them more difficult to make but it is what it is.

So I'll just make assumptions and you tell me if I'm wrong. The front foot ties into the frame behind the crossmember bolts, the middle foot welds in the middle of the bend, and the rear foot attaches behind the bend? So the front and rear feet are cut square, and the middle one is cut at an angle? I can see the different lengths, but I can't see if the end of the middle foot is cut at an angle to weld to the angled frame, and from the mock up pics, I can't see where on the frame they attach. It's not really a big deal, I'm just curious.

[BRUTUS]

Might have more interest if you posted in FSJ tech. I am getting the feeling that the "offroad tech" crowd doesn't have many rockers to protect. :D

[rockjeep44]

I figured that but I wanted you guys to see it first. I'll post a link there :thumbsup: I went ahead and added a thread to the vendor forum as well.

[wickedwagon767]

:cool: awesome

[srobertsfsj]

Will they be painted? I am definately interested

[gp_frk]

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[rockjeep44]

Will they be painted? I am definately interested

No, they will ship raw to the customer. This way you can paint them whatever color you like. Plus, since they are weld on, you don't want to have to do any grinding to the sliders in order to get a good clean weld.

[rockjeep44]

Official thread in the vendor section:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=69962

[srobertsfsj]

No, they will ship raw to the customer. This way you can paint them whatever color you like. Plus, since they are weld on, you don't want to have to do any grinding to the sliders in order to get a good clean weld.

Pics show it on a 2-dr. May be a stupid question because I have never had a 2-dr but will the length be adjusted for a 4-dr? Is there even a difference in WB?

[rockjeep44]

The 2dr and 4dr Wagons have the same rocker panel & WB length so the sliders will work with either model. Thanks
-Andrew

[4x4fEvEr]

will there ever be a version for fullsized whose rockers are rusted out and need to be cutoff? like a 2x6 rectangle or something.

[Stuka]

I like them, to bad I no longer have the chero to put them on. And the J-Truck frame is quite a bit different, would take some work to change them.

[Kaiser]

<i'm a little teapot short and stout>

[Stuka]

Gee, I just ordered my TrailGear sliders for about $140.
$250 and I got free shipping...

Whats your point? So you bought sliders for a toyota that are mass produced and made with smaller material...

[rockjeep44]

Trail Gear...ROFL!

[rockjeep44]

will there ever be a version for fullsized whose rockers are rusted out and need to be cutoff? like a 2x6 rectangle or something.

We'll see how these go over first ;)

[83waggy]

those look nice, pretty much what im looking for but at the moment i dont have the money, plus my rockers are shot anyways.

Just a random suggestion, and i know it would be a pain in the ***, but you should make a roll cage kit... im sure you wouldnt have a problem selling that. Either way, these rockers look great and good luck selling 'em

[4x4fEvEr]

We'll see how these go over first ;)


ill spread the word on them to get production up then :thumbsup:

[Austin Kerns]

Nice, how much to ship to 80221? Thanks.:thumbsup:

[bearfacedkiller]

I would be interested. What about trucks with body lifts. I don't think I would like them mounted low even if it would make it easier to get in and out of and my truck is tall enough that they are hard to hit(but not impossible)

[2003 mcs]

Ordered mine:) , now all I need is my Jeep back.

[rockjeep44]

I would be interested. What about trucks with body lifts. I don't think I would like them mounted low even if it would make it easier to get in and out of and my truck is tall enough that they are hard to hit(but not impossible)

How tall is the body lift? Right now on a non-body lifted truck the mounting feet hit about the middle of the frame so there is some room to raise them up if need be.

[rockjeep44]

Nice, how much to ship to 80221? Thanks.:thumbsup:

Approximately $30. If you order I'll get you a more exact quote but that's your ballpark. 2003 mcs paid $28.44 shipping to Michigan.

[Kaiser]

Whats your point? So you bought sliders for a toyota that are mass produced and made with smaller material...

I bought universal sliders that are adaptable to any rig so long as you know how to weld...I dont care if they are mass produced or not...and they are the SAME dimensional material...
TrailGear site: "Made from 1 3/4" X .120 round HREW tubing. Legs can be be cut to length to allow for different mounting positions. "
Also:http://www.trail-gear.com/rocksliders.html

Besides, I'd like to see some more of the welding these guys do...from the photos it looks cold (not trying to bash on anyone here, but want to see the end product! Esp. since they look like TG knock offs).
ie Trail Gear universals:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/gstupid/rocksliders-600.gif

So, what your point?

[TexTJ209]

since they look like TG knock offs



lol.

[backpack09]

Gee, I just ordered my TrailGear sliders for about $140.
$250 and I got free shipping...

Also, What is your point.

Everyone pisses and moans that no one makes FSJ specific parts. Here we have a small time guy trying to do just that and you suggest an off the shelf part that is deffinately not going to fit like this:
http://www.rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/d/20489-2/L1030880.jpg

Great product. If my $ituation were a bit different, I would deffinately have a set coming my way.

Dan

[rockjeep44]

I bought universal sliders that are adaptable to any rig so long as you know how to weld...I dont care if they are mass produced or not...and they are the SAME dimensional material...
TrailGear site: "Made from 1 3/4" X .120 round HREW tubing. Legs can be be cut to length to allow for different mounting positions. "
Also:http://www.trail-gear.com/rocksliders.html

Besides, I'd like to see some more of the welding these guys do...from the photos it looks cold (not trying to bash on anyone here, but want to see the end product! Esp. since they look like TG knock offs).
ie Trail Gear universals:

So, what your point?

Dude, if you want to bash my sliders please start a new thread. Also, if you have such a hard-on for TG why don't you get set up as a dealer and sell them here :rolleyes:

Furthermore, you're kidding yourself if you think those sliders are "generic" and will fit any rig. I spent several hours getting the fit just right against the rocker, making sure the door clears, setting the angle on the slider bar, getting the stickout just right from the frame etc. Not to mention I don't know if you've seen an FSJ frame before but there ain't a lot of places to put mounting feet. I didn't just slap three pieces of tube on and call it good. They are strategically placed so you can weld them onto a straight piece of frame with no bolt or crossmember interference. The front foot has to be placed around the crossmember bolts. The middle foot has a bend in the frame to deal with. The rear foot has the spring box in the way. The chances the TG sliders will just magically work in that scenario are about 0. Also, each foot is a different length. Yea, this sucks for me because I have to make them all separately and notch them all separately but it'll be great for the end user because it will fit their frame. Now, I'm sure you can MAKE the TG sliders work but it'll take a chop saw and welder at a bare minimum and that's only if you don't have to start cutting tubes off and rewelding them on. If you want something you know will fit and you don't feel like playing <around then> spend $289 on my set. Otherwise, drop $140 and pray.

BTW, I'd love to see the pictures of the TG sliders on your rig :thumbsup: As for mine being knockoffs you can only be so creative with a slider. The design works and looks good.

[jepj2000]

What are the chances of a Jtruck version being built from you. I would be really interested in them if you get the chance to make some. Let me know.

Thanks,
Rankin

[rockjeep44]

I wouldn't mind doing a set for you if I had a j-truck to work off of. You could give me measurements but I'd really like to have one at hand when I make the set. If yours the long wheel base or short wheel base?

[Tigger4X]

At the beginning of this thread you mentioned that these sliders will work on 79-?? I have a 76 Chero w/a 3" BL ... compatible :confused:

[jepj2000]

They would be for my '77 J10 which is a short wheel base. I can give you some measurements if you need them but I'm sure you would rather have a truck to mock up to.

There is really no rush on my side so if you were planning on making some for production and are just waiting to get a Jtruck to work with I can wait for that as well. If you are not planning on putting Jtruck sliders in production then just let me know.

Thanks,
Rankin

[Kaiser]

Dude, if you want to bash my sliders please start a new thread. Also, if you have such a hard-on for TG why don't you get set up as a dealer and sell them here :rolleyes:

Furthermore, you're kidding yourself if you think those sliders are "generic" and will fit any rig. I spent several hours getting the fit just right against the rocker, making sure the door clears, setting the angle on the slider bar, getting the stickout just right from the frame etc. Not to mention I don't know if you've seen an FSJ frame before but there ain't a lot of places to put mounting feet. I didn't just slap three pieces of tube on and call it good. They are strategically placed so you can weld them onto a straight piece of frame with no bolt or crossmember interference. The front foot has to be placed around the crossmember bolts. The middle foot has a bend in the frame to deal with. The rear foot has the spring box in the way. The chances the TG sliders will just magically work in that scenario are about 0. Also, each foot is a different length. Yea, this sucks for me because I have to make them all separately and notch them all separately but it'll be great for the end user because it will fit their frame. Now, I'm sure you can MAKE the TG sliders work but it'll take a chop saw and welder at a bare minimum and that's only if you don't have to start cutting tubes off and rewelding them on. If you want something you know will fit and you don't feel like playing a lot of graba*s then nut up and spend $289 on my set. Otherwise, drop $140 and pray.

BTW, I'd love to see the pictures of the TG sliders on your rig :thumbsup: As for mine being knockoffs you can only be so creative with a slider. The design works and looks good. Go complain to someone that cares.

<thats a cool product for people who don't have the equipment to build their own>

[rockjeep44]

I'll post more pictures when they are ready to post. Hacksaw? ROFL...

[TexTJ209]

Why dont you yourself "nut up" and answer why you cant be any more creative than copying what some consider to be "cheap" Trail Gear sliders...



Dude sliders of this type have been out for a long friggin' time, well before Trail Gear copied the design like they've been rumored to do with everything else they sell. Stop jerkin' it to TG, they didn't invent these silly things....its a common design type you see all the friggin time from home built or aftermarket suppliers. Plus you're comparing a decently established company to a guy making stuff for a vehicle with a cult following.



stop bashing a guy making a custom product FSJers have wanted and needed for a while. Jesus..

[rockjeep44]

I'm done with Kaiser, he obviously has something against me and it's not even worth arguing.

I'll have some more stuff worth talking about tomorrow :) Thanks for the interest guys.
-Andrew

[KaiserMan]

Andrew, how well do you think .120 wall will hold up? I see 1 3/4X.120 dom get pretty beat up at work. Any chance of getting .156 wall?

[Kaiser]

Andrew, how well do you think .120 wall will hold up? I see 1 3/4X.120 dom get pretty beat up at work. Any chance of getting .156 wall?

You'd be pretty impressed with what .12 DOM will hold up to on the trail. Would think .156 to be a little overkill, but maybe not. I tortured mine on my old FJ40 while spending 3 weeks at Rimrock.
BTW: Hell, I'd still buy these if I had a Wag/Cherokee. I figured it'd be fair to have a fair comparison with your competitors since there is a nearly exact product out there...
Cheers,
DLS

[rockjeep44]

Andrew, how well do you think .120 wall will hold up? I see 1 3/4X.120 dom get pretty beat up at work. Any chance of getting .156 wall?

I think they'll hold up pretty well but they will dent if you hit them hard with a focused blow (come down hard on a point of a rock). If the blow is spread out then no worries. You can see in the original post that I'm offering them with .120 DOM options which probably is only marginally stronger in this application. I priced .188 DOM but to be quite honest that option was completely cost prohibitive.

[rockjeep44]

At the beginning of this thread you mentioned that these sliders will work on 79-?? I have a 76 Chero w/a 3" BL ... compatible :confused:

To be honest, I posted the '79-'91 number because I had always heard those years were pretty much identical frame/body wise. I'm sure there is a guru here that could tell us if the '76 is the same for this application. As for the 3" BL let me take some measurements and get back to you.

[rockjeep44]

They would be for my '77 J10 which is a short wheel base. I can give you some measurements if you need them but I'm sure you would rather have a truck to mock up to.

There is really no rush on my side so if you were planning on making some for production and are just waiting to get a Jtruck to work with I can wait for that as well. If you are not planning on putting Jtruck sliders in production then just let me know.

Thanks,
Rankin

I think I know a guy in Chattanooga w/ a J10 that could swing by on a weekend. PM me and we can work something out.

[fulsizjeep]

<thats cool for people who don't have the equipment to build their own>

Edit: Nice to see that someone like a moderator is biased. FYI: you will need the exact same tools/equipment for TG OR these. Ie: both require a welder.
It'd be good for you to repost what I wrote rather than modifying what Im saying.

Maybe it'd be good if you and Andrew don't get too worked up publicly so the thread will not get locked or deleted too...

[rockjeep44]

Clearly you can see I've moved on. If someone has a hardon for me they can send me a PM anytime.

[Kaiser]

<chill out>

[chr1s]

Kaiser, youve made your point man.. can we move on..?

[rockjeep44]

Seriously dude. LET IT GO! This isn't a dictatorship. If people don't want to buy the product I'm not forcing them too.

[Rogue]

Seriously dude. LET IT GO! This isn't a dictatorship. If people don't want to buy the product I'm not forcing them too.

no friggin doubt!

cool sliders dood

:drivin:

[rockjeep44]

First set ships out tomorrow. I took some more pictures when I finished them up this evening.

Here they are on a NT Waggy
http://www.rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/d/20540-2/DSC03806.JPG

http://www.rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/d/20552-2/DSC03810.JPG

http://www.rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/d/20549-2/DSC03809.JPG


Ready to ship
http://www.rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/d/20570-2/DSC03820.JPG

There are more in the album including some closeups of the welds :thumbsup:
http://www.rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/v/users/andrew/sliders/

[TexTJ209]

Sweeeeeeeet.....wish my Cherokee was far enough along to actually warrant buying a set...maybe someday. :thumbsup:


Is that Golden Eagle still on the original tires?

[KaiserMan]

I think they'll hold up pretty well but they will dent if you hit them hard with a focused blow (come down hard on a point of a rock). If the blow is spread out then no worries. You can see in the original post that I'm offering them with .120 DOM options which probably is only marginally stronger in this application. I priced .188 DOM but to be quite honest that option was completely cost prohibitive.
What are they nailing you for tubing? Any Marmon Keystones near you?

Very nice slider btw. If your still making them when I get my hands on Cherokee, then I'll be ordering up a set.

[rockjeep44]

Thanks man.

No Marmon Keystones near me but I do have relationships with a couple local suppliers so I get fair prices. The DOM was a big jump but I didn't mean to make it sound like I was getting ripped. The price seemed fair when compared with the market but too expensive for building/reselling purposes.

[rockjeep44]

Update: I've got some other things in the works right now that I think you guys are going to be really excited about and that no one else is offering for FSJs right now. There is one sticking point that I'm working on but once that's ironed out I'll let you guys know.

Also, I worked out a quantity steel order with my supplier and picked it up yesterday evening so I'm dropping the prices on the sliders to $269/pair. I know it's not much but my initial vision for these was to come in under $300 after shipping and from the quotes I've gotten so far shipping is running around $25-$30. I think that anyone that gets these will think they are worth that cost and I feel good about that price. Hope this helps!
-Andrew

[BRUTUS]

Update: I've got some other things in the works right now that I think you guys are going to be really excited about and that no one else is offering for FSJs right now.

Shock hoops? :thumbsup:

[waggy401]

Wow, these look really cool. I have a slightly off-topic question, though - a couple weeks ago I was 'wheeling with my 4x4 club, and a rock punched a hole through my pristine rocker panel (wish I had the sliders then, let me tell ya). What is the consequence of this? Would it allow water into the cab? Promote rust? I have some of that new clear duct tape - was thinking about that for a temporary fix.

Your product is very tempting, but may have to wait a few months - a big chunk of our funds are going towards student loans right now.

[rockjeep44]

It's probably not a big deal unless you do a lot of water crossings and/or drive in snow and salt in which case you might get some gunk in there that would promote rust from the inside out (not good).

Let me know if/when you need a set of sliders to protect those panels :)

[2003 mcs]

Mine arrived:) They look great, but.............nothing, they look great. Very high quality, nicely made, Andrew is a great person deal with and always kept me informed (when he received payment, when shipped, tracking #):thumbsup: . Now need time to install:banghead: and then go :fsj: .

Thanks Andrew!

[rockjeep44]

Thanks man. I'm glad to hear you are pleased. Let me know if there is anything else I can do for ya.
-Andrew

[BRUTUS]

Thanks man. I'm glad to hear you are pleased. Let me know if there is anything else I can do for ya.
-Andrew

Shock hoops? :thumbsup:

[rockjeep44]

Brutus, you got a PM :)

Also, if anyone needs something custom done for their FSJ I'd be happy to take a look at making it happen. I'm working on a few ideas right now for FSJ production items but am always open to custom projects (as long as it involves tube ;) ). Send me a PM. Thanks
-Andrew

[TexTJ209]

Any chance a Cherokee roll cage kit is in the works? ;)

[jaber]

I have a '79 Chero that one of the POs installed what looks like a roll bar out of a YJ. It appears to be a bolt together setup and has holes in the front that might have had a set that came forward. Just trying to plant a seed..........

[rockjeep44]

Just an update: Third set of sliders will ship this week. Thanks for the orders.

I blew up an outer shaft, u-joint, took out a spindle, etc on the buggy this weekend so keep the orders coming. I need to order some new shafts :thumbsup:

[Zorm]

Nice!!:thumbsup: humm.....how about an externial cage tide to these??:D

[hampton123]

i'm thinking you sohuld design an interior roll cage for wags!! if its not gonna make me go bank rupt i'll spring for one if you make it!!

[uglyjeepling]

Do you think gussets at the top of the tube to the frame would be useful? It will strenthen the area against the frame. That is a large moment arm to the rockers. Just worried about bending or breaking at the frame.

[rockjeep44]

It couldn't hurt depending on how hard you beat your rig but I don't think it's necessary for everyone. I'm happy to entertain these options, I could add that if someone wanted it for a few bucks more. I personally would stitch weld the slider to the body which would stiffen the whole assembly up nicely and eliminate a lot of body flex. This would be easy to do since the sliders are designed to sit in that little crease under the rockers.

Don't hold your breath on a cage kit guys. The only cost effective way to do that is with solid works and a CNC. I do have something really cool in the works however.

[nw_upstart]

What about making these bolt-on? Just curious as it would be nice to be able to bolt them on and put 'em on different rig later. (or for those states I 've heard that don't allow welded on parts)

Now if this isn't a good idea, or just not practical, that's fine. I haven't gone out and looked at my frame, just a thought that accured while looking at the screen.

[rockjeep44]

I can make them bolt on. Been thinking about adding that option. How many people would be interested in ordering if they came with predrilled plates?

[nw_upstart]

Well, since I asked, I'd be first in line!

[rockjeep44]

It was pouring rain last night while I was finishing up another set so I didn't get to take any measurements for plates. I'm sure I can do it, just don't know if I'm going to have to move any of the mounting feet around just yet. I'll be sure to let you know.

[nw_upstart]

Right on, keep us posted.

[2003 mcs]

2nd in line! Friends have recommended going this route for a # of reasons (state laws a big one).

[Big-wagon87]

Got mine today they Kick Great Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley Moogley cant wait to put them on.
Thanks Andrew good work on the fab. Strong welds too 5 star work as expected from a RRR!!!

Chris H.:thumbsup:

[rockjeep44]

Awesome man. Thanks for the feedback. :)

[Austin Kerns]

Andrew,

I am having the sliders welded on tomorrow and was wondering what the gap should be between the sliders and the rocker panel. Not sure how much the sliders will flex. Thanks.

Austin:thumbsup:

[rockjeep44]

Hey man, I just replied to your e-mail about 15 minutes ago. Hopefully it was quick enough. I'll copy/paste it here as well...

"Personally, I would put them flush up against the rocker panel. The way I designed them was to fit flush up against the little sheetmetal crease underneath your rocker panel. It makes a nice little ridge for them to sit up against. Also, if you want to stiffen your body up you can stitch weld the body to the slider tube. If your truck is really nice this probably isn't something you want to do hehe but it's an option. Let me know if this doesn't make sense and I'll try and find a picture of what I mean. Take it easy.
-Andrew"