More H2 Wheel Questions - ATTN: 95steel

[The PIG Smith]

I own a set of H2 Hummer Wheels.
I had planned to use them on my J20, but I thought that they not be a good fit.

Here is posting I made about them:
H2 Wheels on a J20 (http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=59012&highlight=wheel)

Here the pics from that posting:
Lots of folks have asked, so I took some time to mount one of my H2 Wheels on the rear axle of my J20 to take some pics.

http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/H2Wheels-1.jpg

http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/H2Wheels-2.jpg

http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/H2Wheels-3.jpg

http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/H2Wheels-4.jpg

http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/H2Wheels-5.jpg

http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/H2Wheels-6.jpg

http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/H2Wheels-7.jpg

Then I read where member 95steel sold a '79 J20 with a set of H2 Hummer Wheels installed to a fellow member.

Here that For Sale Posting and his pics:
79 J-20 Project 401 for sale (http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=63579)

My public questions to 95steel and to the new owner:
How well does the H2 wheels fit?
Are they any rubbing? on the springs front or back?
Any steering issues with rubbing?
Did you need to use spacers?
Did you need to replace the existing lug studs for longer ones?

[adamsclarke]

I just got a set as well for my J10 with J20 axles. I think they'll fit great. I am running a 37x14 Irok...so after I mount them up, I'll let you know.
I'm not too worried about the front, I am just slightly worried that they will rub the rear springs (tires that is)

[offroadman1973]

i am running the h-1's on my j-10. i am going to buy new centers and re-center them the way i want it! i am also going to run 42in. irocks on them! i like the h-1 wheels because there are so many things you can do to them and they are a cheap double bead lock wheel! good luck!!!---BRIAN

[The PIG Smith]

i am running the h-1's on my j-10. i am going to buy new centers and re-center them the way i want it! i am also going to run 42in. irocks on them! i like the h-1 wheels because there are so many things you can do to them and they are a cheap double bead lock wheel! good luck!!!---BRIAN

Sorry Brian, I am asking about H2 wheels, not H1 wheels.
From my understanding, H1 wheels are way different than the H2 wheels.
H1 Wheels are steel beadlock while the H2 are 17" alloy.

Check out my pics and the pics of 95steel's truck that he sold...those are H2 wheels.

Here is a H1 Wheel:
http://flashoffroad.com/catalog/original/wheels/standard/images/17-Total-Black-Out.jpg

Here is a posting about H1 wheels:
Hummer Beadlocks Again... (http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=60864&highlight=Hummer)

[jdubya]

I've got that J20. The wheels fit excellent. However, the rig doesn't run, so I can't tell you much more than that.

I'm doing some major work on that truck, but I plan on keeping those wheels on the rig. I'm not sure when it will be back online, but I can give you more specific info when it's running again.

If you want some pictures or other info, let me know.

95Steel had the rig running with the wheels on it. He could probably be more help.

[jeepmj_tj]

I just got a set as well for my J10 with J20 axles. I think they'll fit great. I am running a 37x14 Irok...so after I mount them up, I'll let you know.
I'm not too worried about the front, I am just slightly worried that they will rub the rear springs (tires that is)



i temp. mounted a 37x12.5 mtr on H2 the other night. the front fitment was perfect. did not touch the springs at all turning lock to lock.

the rear had less than an 1/8" from the sidewall of the tire to the spring. I think with a smaller tire the rear would work ok. But i am inboarding my rear springs and will not have to worry about the tires rubbing the rear leafs

[The PIG Smith]

I've got that J20. The wheels fit excellent. However, the rig doesn't run, so I can't tell you much more than that.

I'm doing some major work on that truck, but I plan on keeping those wheels on the rig. I'm not sure when it will be back online, but I can give you more specific info when it's running again.

If you want some pictures or other info, let me know.

95Steel had the rig running with the wheels on it. He could probably be more help.

Thank you for your offer.
I congratulate you on your purchase, for you have good looking rig.
Appears to have much less rust than mine.

Could you look and take some pics of how close the rear wheel/tire is the the rear springs? and inner fender?
Like this:
http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/H2Wheels-4.jpg

I am very concerned about how close this can get.
When the truck is empty, it may not be an issue.
But, loaded or with the weight of trailer, I wonder if the tire would squat or swell and cause rubbing, leading to a blow out.
Maybe out on a light trail, a rock could get kicked up, wedge between the spring and tire and cut the tire.
Okay...all this may sound like a case of Chicken Little Syndrome, but I do not wish drop hundreds of dollars on tires to have them ruined by these wheels.

Also, close is the inner fender to the tire.
As you can tell, my inner fender is bent in toward the tire.
With a 16.5" tire on a wheel with the correct offset, this has not been an issue.
With a 17" tire on a wheel with the incorrect offset, this maybe an issue for me.

Thank you in advance for your time for investigating and addressing my concerns.

[The PIG Smith]

i temp. mounted a 37x12.5 mtr on H2 the other night. the front fitment was perfect. did not touch the springs at all turning lock to lock.

This is good news to hear.

the rear had less than an 1/8" from the sidewall of the tire to the spring. I think with a smaller tire the rear would work ok. But i am inboarding my rear springs and will not have to worry about the tires rubbing the rear leafs

WOW! 1/8" That's close!
As you can tell from my pics, I know the wheel without the tire is close.

I am not planing to inboard my springs.
If I choose to use these H2 wheels, I plan to run a 31" tall tire, like 265-70-17 tire.
I do not know if the sidewall of a 265-70-17 would be skinnier than a 37-12.50-17 MTR, but I would suspect that it would be some.

[jeepmj_tj]

This is good news to hear.



WOW! 1/8" That's close!
As you can tell from my pics, I know the wheel without the tire is close.

I am not planing to inboard my springs.
If I choose to use these H2 wheels, I plan to run a 31" tall tire, like 265-70-17 tire.
I do not know if the sidewall of a 265-70-17 would be skinnier than a 37-12.50-17 MTR, but I would suspect that it would be some.

also i think the tire would touch the stock inner fender. in your case i do not know as you have a different bed.

the 37x12.50 was close to touching the edge of inner fender but that was with the rear of the truck sitting at a height to match the front SOA. So i cant tell you for sure would it would be like with stock height suspension.

i wish i could have taking pictures, but i have already pulled the stock d60 and leafs out and have the dodge d70 sitting in its place which is not the same width

joe

[The PIG Smith]

also i think the tire would touch the stock inner fender. in your case i do not know as you have a different bed.

the 37x12.50 was close to touching the edge of inner fender but that was with the rear of the truck sitting at a height to match the front SOA. So i cant tell you for sure would it would be like with stock height suspension.

i wish i could have taking pictures, but i have already pulled the stock d60 and leafs out and have the dodge d70 sitting in its place which is not the same width

joe

Yes, I was afraid of what you are saying is the truth about the inner fender and the springs.

So, what are the opinions of the group about wheel spacers?
A one inch wheel spacer sounds like a good round number that would work.
This would mean I would need to install longer studs on the rear end to pass through a 1" wheel and the H2 wheel.
I am not fan of wheel spacers, but lots of folks use them.
I really do not know much about them.
I suppose that are like any other adapter...to make something not designed to work and make it fit.

[jeepmj_tj]

Yes, I was afraid of what you are saying is the truth about the inner fender and the springs.

So, what are the opinions of the group about wheel spacers?
A one inch wheel spacer sounds like a good round number that would work.
This would mean I would need to install longer studs on the rear end to pass through a 1" wheel and the H2 wheel.
I am not fan of wheel spacers, but lots of folks use them.
I really do not know much about them.
I suppose that are like any other adapter...to make something not designed to work and make it fit.

i would not run a spacer with longer studs(they have a tendency to loosen up)... go with a bolt on spacer/adapter that has new studs pressed into it.

[The PIG Smith]

i would not run a spacer with longer studs(they have a tendency to loosen up)... go with a bolt on spacer/adapter that has new studs pressed into it.

Well, I think I come full circle.
I tend to do this, make a decision one way and then I start to second guess myself.
Later, I find I am talking myself into the way that I had originally decided not to go.
I snap out of it and correct my irrational thinking.
The best way I can describe this is "Wishy Washy".
I thank my friends and close ones the tolerance that they have toward me.

So...I will once again pass in using H2 wheels.
I am for certain now more than ever that they will not work well with my rig.
I did not know this when I first bought them.

Also, If I used spacers, I think it would not look right with the rear tires. sticking out an 1" wider than the front.
Some my like that 'look', I do not.
Secondly, spacers may look good to some, but my J20 is tow rig and work horse.
I think wheels spacers are not well suited or safe for this type of service.

I will stick with ugly 16" Ford OEM Steelies for now.

[jeepmj_tj]

what are you going to do with the h2 wheels now? how much if you decide to sell them?

[jdubya]

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The best way I can describe this is "Wishy Washy".
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My wife calls it the "Flip / Flop", but I know what you mean.

I was looking at the clearance, and I was thinking the rear was very tight.

I'm not sure what i'll be doing. It is going to be a long time until I have to decide, but I tend to agree with you. I think I'll go a different direction.

[The PIG Smith]

My wife calls it the "Flip / Flop", but I know what you mean.

Thank you for your understanding.
I tend to wear folks out with my 'Wishy Washy" and "Flip Flopping"
Maybe I would make a good political candidate? LOL!

I was looking at the clearance, and I was thinking the rear was very tight.

I'm not sure what i'll be doing. It is going to be a long time until I have to decide, but I tend to agree with you. I think I'll go a different direction.

Keep the group posted with your findings when you get to this point in your project.

The only good thing I can say about me making posts like this, is that someone may be planning a similar upgrade
and with experience like ours that we share here, will spare that someone some time, $$$ and grief.

[The PIG Smith]

what are you going to do with the h2 wheels now? how much if you decide to sell them?

I dunno. I haven't given it much thought.
Maybe sell them.

I've been dreaming about a short bed J10 for a Diesel project.
If I ever built it, it would be a daily driver replacement for my '99 WJ.
My WJ is a constant maintenance pain and drain on my wallet.
Lots of grief with this Jeep. :(

If I ran across a J20, maybe I would use them for it.
I run it with spacers as this new J20 would a DD and see only light use service...no towing or heavy hauling.
I would install these H2 wheels with nice soft riding tires.

But, that's a dream for now, so selling them makes the best sense.
Are you interested?

[crazydog]

I do not see how it would be a problem to use the spacers in your application, if you had them made out of steel with high quality correct grade studs for the wheels. You would have eight studs and nuts holding the spacer to the hub and eight more studs and nuts holding the wheel to the spacer.

For your concern about the different track widths front and rear, I am not sure on the J20's, but for my Cherokee, the front track width is at least a couple of inches wider than the rear. To me it looks wierd and I want to fix it, but will just wait until I get new axles and iron it out then. So, you could have spacers made up to even things out front and rear.

[95steel]

I've got that J20. The wheels fit excellent. However, the rig doesn't run, so I can't tell you much more than that.

I'm doing some major work on that truck, but I plan on keeping those wheels on the rig. I'm not sure when it will be back online, but I can give you more specific info when it's running again.

If you want some pictures or other info, let me know.

95Steel had the rig running with the wheels on it. He could probably be more help.

Robert, you need to call me ASAP.

[jeepmj_tj]

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But, that's a dream for now, so selling them makes the best sense.
Are you interested?[/quote]


depends on what you want for them?

[95steel]

Sorry it took me so long to reply...

I got the idea for the H2's when doing a search for parts. I found a guy on cardomain that has a set on his J-20. He had his on for a few thousand miles. Yes it is tight in the rear, don't remember the exact measurements but I was satisfied with it so I ran with it.

[adamsclarke]

I test fitted my H2s over the weekend....and they won't even fit over the rear hubs (35spl 60)...so after I get the machined down...I imagine they'll be as close as yours to the springs.
I have yet to decide if I am going with spacers front and rear or move the springs under the frame in the rear and run them normal up front

http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=3

[95steel]

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2333836

here are pics of another J20 with H2 rims. This is the one that gave me the idea.

[95steel]

I saw that on pirate about people having to take a dremmel tool to the rim to fit over a 14bolt. Only have to remove a hair from what I read. There are a lot of people running them with little jeeps on one ton axles over there.

[adamsclarke]

all good...I'm having the hub openings turned down on mine next week. And I'm going with springs under the frame now...so no worries about rubbing. I'll post up pics when I get them on