Ouray Preparedness

[RiverRat]

I hope I'm not overstepping my bounds as a Missouri girl trying to talk about wheeling in the Rockies, but I want this thread to be a place for people to post their *opinions and suggestions* about what to expect, what to bring, and what vehicle safety issues should be considered for the Ouray trip. As Flint posted in another thread, check these out:

Click the Prepare button: http://cfsja.org/2002/home.html (http://cfsja.org/2002/home.html)

http://groups.msn.com/ATexasOklahomaJeepClub/ouraycotopic.msnw (http://groups.msn.com/ATexasOklahomaJeepClub/ouraycotopic.msnw)
Look for 4x4 Mountain Trail Safety Tips (amoung others)

Don't discount the water and food aspect, some people could have easily been stuck (and nearly were) on the mountain on Friday in '06. For the same reason, as well as comfort, warmer clothes and rain gear packed in your rig are a good idea too. I am used to wheeling off-road parks in Missouri, and while 850 acres of forest and brush seems big, if it comes down to it you can probably hike back to the campground without too much trouble, and the weather at your campsite will not be any different than the weather on the trails. That isn't true of the mountains. Anyway, please post up any suggestions that might be helpful to others. Keeping with legal aspects, these are suggestions and opinions only. We are all out to have fun, and don't want to scare anyone away, but given the (awesome and beautiful) location of the Invasion, safety and common sense are necessary. Come prepared with a healthy respect for mother nature. And this should go without saying, and I don't think anyone I met in '06 needs to be told, but save the drinking for the campfire!
End really long post...:o

[HOOT]

My list of things to do to my rig is this:

Go through entire brake system, replace the drums on rear with disc and flush out all old fluid. Still debating on the chain and anchor ideal.:eek:

New tires. I'm looking for a new matching spare or 2 now.

Replacing all rubber hoses and lines on engine.

Making sure defrosters work.

Replace all axle gear lube.

Taking a long look at the underneath side to make sure things are tucked up in the frame rails where applicable. Adding skid plates or at least knowing where I can drag is a must.

Engine will be running at top performance or it will NOT be in the mountains, except maybe the bunny trails. One hiccup and stall on some of those trails could mean some dire consequences or at least soiled seats.

Actually my Chero is or will be about as new as new can be from top to bottom. It will have all fresh fluids and bearings in it. Whether it gets completed yet is to be seen. Most everything is getting rebuilt or replaced at this point anyway. Adding the lockers are my only question area right now.

I, as a few others do, also have the challenge of driving across country to get there and get it back. Getting mine back about broke the bank last year but noway was I leaving it behind.

I don't want to be a burden on the group and appreciate noone else being a senseless daredevil as well. Break downs happen and are understood, leave the jackass stunts behind.

Your Jeep and views may vary.

[BRUTUS]

You know... there won't be a year where everyone has prepared for everything. That is what is nice about the group doing it as a whole. The odds are pretty unlikely that out of 20 or so of us in Ouray... we won't have the minor replacement stuff. That is what Autozone is for. I want to thank Ralph again for taking me to the zone for a battery. He didn't have to, but he did.

I would say that brakes, engine & steering should be of primary concern. The abiltilty to GO or STOP or TURN when needed is paramount. If you forget food or water... someone will have some. If you need some brake fluid... someone will have it.

I still regret last year not telling Glen to turn his wheels into the mountain instead of performing the flying dodo maneuver. I didn't realize at the time that he didn't have low range (goes right along with the other thread about inspecting others rigs), FWIW, I didn't realize that FSJ's were offered without low range at all.

I wouldn't be worried about being "left on the trail." I am sure you can get a ride with someone in the group if we absolutely cannot get your rig off the trail. Then come back the next day with parts/fluids to do a trial repair. Not really that big of a deal if you ask me because the forest service realizes that rigs break down. No worries.

[bigun]

I still regret last year not telling Glen to turn his wheels into the mountain instead of performing the flying dodo maneuver. I didn't realize at the time that he didn't have low range (goes right along with the other thread about inspecting others rigs), FWIW, I didn't realize that FSJ's
were offered without low range at all. Listening to Glenn last year he considered turning left but was afraid it would cause the rig to flip! So don't beat up on yourself to much. Leave that to Krista:lol::lol::lol:

[fulsizjeep]

You are certainly not out of line here BethAnn. Ouray and the trails there are a fun place to hang out. I hope we get the point across that it is all business when we are driving up and down the side of these mountains.

Between Krista and I we carry a fair number of spare parts. We hardly ever need any of it. In 04, Chris (roadgrime) tossed me a fan clutch. I didn't have a spare. I have handed out a couple ujoints and some header bolts that other people needed. You never know, but it is nice to ride with folks who carry plenty of repair goods. It was because of 2 offroad trips that I bought 2 big C clamps to carry. You can splint a leaf spring that with those things! :thumbsup:

[kennyh]

You are certainly not out of line here BethAnn. Ouray and the trails there are a fun place to hang out. I hope we get the point across that it is all business when we are driving up and down the side of these mountains.

It ain't all business 'til the cigar has a glowin' cherry on it.

[Don S]

It ain't all business 'til the cigar has a glowin' cherry on it.
..
kennyh;

Yup!... OK.... but I still saw a big pucker in the seat cover of the red wag...:D

Have a good one while you can still laugh about it.. Don S..

[jdubya]

I started putting my rhino on last night.

I should have it done by July.

What else do I need?? ;)

[will e]

All I know is when it started to pour, we took refuge under a small tunnel and I broke out the BBQ, sausages and made some cheese crisps too.

[shimniok]

We (CFSJA) put together a lot of material on preparing for Ouray for the 2002 invasion. All that stuff still stands, I think, and I hope the info we collected and resources we found will help.

There's also a checklist (or two?) on http://www.cfsja.org/ click On the Trail and the checklists are up at the top as links.

There are a lot of materials "out there" in the form of books and websites that you can use to learn all about four wheeling and safety and preparedness. I highly recommend you read every article ever written by Bill Burke.

Also, I am a huge fan of the Four Wheeler's Bible -- an awesome book I wished I'd gotten when I first got into four-wheeling in 1998. I've learned all kinds of things from this book even though I've been at this a little while.

Also the Charles Wells books are awesome as far as learning all about the trails before you go and they ahve some four-wheeling tips too.

I think one of the things I find most appealing about four-wheeling next to visiting amazing places is the freedom that comes with being prepared and being in a group that is prepared. When a challenge arises-- broken u-joints, broken spring mounts, whatever, and the group springs to action it is a great thing to be a part of. Sometimes I have the part or idea that's needed. Sometimes I am scratching my head and someone else saves my day. Or we all pitch in and get back running again. Knowing that we can face and overcome challenges to reach our goals of overcoming a trail or seeking a rarely viewed vista, is really a rewarding thing, I think. It is a different way of thinking and doing in this age and culture.

The only price to pay is to spend a little time reading about four-wheeling, and a little time gathering the things you need to be prepared.

Michael

[Jeepstress]

Altitude sickness is a real concern. Even folks like Flint and I that spend a lot of time above tree line still deal with it. It can cause disorientation which can be disasterous on the trail when you are driving a 5000 pound steel brick at elevation. I wonder if the Flight of the Dodo incendent was contributed to by the driver suffering from altitude sickness. Read on:

It takes between two days and a week to fully acclimate to Colorado's high altitudes from sea level. Altitude sickness or mountain sickness results from a lack of oxygen resulting in a general "sick all over" feeling. If you or someone in your party is experiencing nausea, dizziness, headache or loss of appetite, immediately have them stop and rest, reduce their exertion level (stop driving), drink plenty of water and ensure they are getting enough sodium as well, and have the victim eat high energy foods. If symptoms become severe or if these actions do not reduce symptoms in a reasonable time, seek lower altitudes!

Don't feel bad if you get altitude sickness. It is odd in that it does not discriminate based on physical fitness or previous history of altitude tolerance. Oddly enough a fit person I know who has hiked many miles in the mountains got it one time out of the blue. It probably has more to do with exertion level, hydration level, food intake, and so on. Just take care of it and try to prevent it ahead of time and be careful if you are coming from lower altitudes. Consult your doctor prior to going to high altitudes if you have health problems.

When traveling from sea level to...
5000 feet - 20% of people get AMS
8000 feet - 40% of people get AMS
10000 feet - 50% of people get AMS
12000 feet - 60% of people get AMS

More info on symptoms and treatment:
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=57018

http://familydoctor.org/247.xml

[Gambler68]

translation: if you pass out we'll strip you and your jeep and leave you hogtied to the elevation sign.

:D

[BRUTUS]

translation: if you pass out we'll strip you and your jeep and leave you hogtied to the elevation sign.

:D

VERY TRUE! :thumbsup:

[Jeepstress]

translation: if you pass out we'll strip you and your jeep and leave you hogtied to the elevation sign.

:D

Now that's just wrong! Funny! But wrong! :D

[janie]

translation: if you pass out we'll strip you and your jeep and leave you hogtied to the elevation sign.

:D

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've got tears rolling down my face after that one Ryan. Sheesh, we've got to make Ouray sometime.

[Gambler68]

It's so worth it :)

[fulsizjeep]

OK, I am bored with the cross talk.
Keep this on topic or I will lock it down.

[turtlejoe]

Consult your doctor prior to going to high altitudes if you have health problems.

Prior to a 2 week high effort backpacking stint in the Sangre de Cristo's of NM, my group of Ohio flatlanders was counseled to "take care of your blood". This involved things like taking a good multivitamin with additional iron content starting about a month before the trip. Also, it was recommended that we not donate blood 6 weeks prior (if I remember right), just to make sure the body has enough time to fill the spleen back up. Fluid intake is crucial, and you must remember that alcohol removes water from your body - if you've been partying hard at night you need to pay extra attention to your water intake. This is greatly compounded by the dry mountain air. Remember too that your body can only absorb about 1 liter per hour, so chugging a half gallon before hitting Black Bear, Red Cone or Imogene (or the KOA parking lot, highway, etc.) isn't in your best interests. If you're getting to the point of being irrational, you're usually the last one to recognize it, so having everyone in your group educated on the early signs of altitude sickness is a must. This is no time or place for ego - listen to your mates, it may save your life and theirs.

Some of these points may be old wives tales or not founded in scientific study, but they seem to still make some sense to me nearly 30 years later. Heck, who can't use some good vitamins?

[Don S]

Remember too that your body can only absorb about 1 liter per hour, so chugging a half gallon before hitting Black Bear, Red Cone or Imogene (or the KOA parking lot, highway, etc.) isn't in your best interests. If you're getting to the point of being irrational, you're usually the last one to recognize it,
..
turtlejoe;

Nice post pard'ner.
... When you drink all that stuff and the situation needs to be relieved, remember it's women to the right and men to the left side of the trail. The thinking of this 'rule' is that the men are the ones driving and they are sitting on the left side. But as most rules have flaws, this one shows it has them when a large bunch of 4x4s start coming from the other direction.:eek:

disclaimer... Krista can go anywhere she pleases;)

If you're getting to the point of being irrational, you're usually the last one to recognize it
There is a certain point on Black Bear if you stop and look at those around you it seems indicate that all of them have been chugging a half gallon before hitting Black Bear.:D Or they wouldn't be there...J/K!!!

Have a good one while you can still laugh about it.. Don S..
PS.. If you carry two fire extinguishers one might work…

[shimniok]

Start here because this is the richest single compendium of the info you will need to go wheel in Ouray with reduced risk:

http://www.cfsja.org/2002/prepare/index.html

This single page covers dozens of topics in mountaineering and four-wheeling safety: hypothermia, altitude sickness, water, getting lost, thunderstorms, mountain water, mine shafts, dozens of links to 4x4 basics and safety info, outdoor tips on camping, clothing, high altitude truck prep, and four-wheeling checklists. It also provides numerous links to other information.

Next, I highly recommend we all buy this book and read it cover to cover because it is a fantastic collection of all kinds of information on four-wheeling from safety to build-up, recovery, how to drive, etc.:

Four Wheeler's Bible (amazon) (http://www.amazon.com/Four-Wheelers-Bible-Jim-Allen/dp/0760310564/sr=8-1/qid=1172247273/ref=sr_1_1/104-6699611-1309539?ie=UTF8&s=books)

Also I suggest perusing http://4x4books.com for some addditional information such as some how to videos (I have not watched these but I would expect the Bill Burke video to be great)

http://4x4books.com/howto.htm

EDIT: 4x4books also has a long list of guidebooks for Colorado. Of these I highly recommend the Charles Wells books. I used these, primarily, to create the trails encyclopedia on the 2002 website.

http://4x4books.com/co.htm

Here is the 2002 trails encyclopedia (http://www.cfsja.org/2002/planner/trails/index.html)

Hope all this helps. Please ask any questions you want, we are here to help.

Michael

[shimniok]

Great comments!

Prior to a 2 week high effort backpacking stint in the Sangre de Cristo's of NM, my group of Ohio flatlanders was counseled to "take care of your blood". This involved things like taking a good multivitamin with additional iron content starting about a month before the trip. Also, it was recommended that we not donate blood 6 weeks prior (if I remember right), just to make sure the body has enough time to fill the spleen back up.

Cool, didn't know that.

Fluid intake is crucial, and you must remember that alcohol removes water from your body - if you've been partying hard at night you need to pay extra attention to your water intake. This is greatly compounded by the dry mountain air.

Too true. Caffeine is a diuretic (makes you pee out water more than normal), so you might think about weaning off the stuff or at least cutting back prior to the trip. Maybe that is overboard but let me share why it may not be.

I came up to Denver (5280') from Tucson (2500') back in 1993. We all know Tucson has a dry heat. YET... it is so much drier up here that for the first couple years I constantly had the dry itchy skin thing you hear about on those stupid moisturizing creme ads. Also I could no longer wear contacts after about a year. :eek: It is REALLY dry up here. Moreso up in the mountains. After about 5 years I was used to it.

Another story: I was on Chinaman Gulch trail one of the hotter lower elevation ones, on a hot day in the summer. By the time I was done I was exhausted, not thinking straight, and just wanted to get down the mountain and lay under my truck in the shade. It was miserable. The only water I had left was one tiny bottle. And it was HOT because it'd been sitting outside a cooler for hours. Contrast: the next time I went, I took 2 huge jugs of water from the grocery store (cheap!!) and a container to drink out of. Every time we stopped the vehicles and/or got out, I would take a sip. I went through about 1+ gallon that day. BUT... by the end I was feeling good, thinking good, life was good.

So the lesson is, force yourself to drink water a little at a time ALL DAY LONG. However you have to do this to make it convenient, do that. I hate drinking water. I never did in Tucson. I'm like a cactus-- my system has adapted to require minimal water. :D Yea... right.

If I don't sip on water constantly when wheeling it kicks my butt. You can get gallon jugs from the grocery store and your favorite thermos or whatever, and just suck that down all day. What I found is that strapping a 5gal steel water can up top is NOT a good idea. It is so much of a PITA to get the thing off, that I never do. Much better to have highly convenient jug of water in the back seat.

The rule of thumb is if you aren't peeing every 30 min you are dehydrated. I have also found that I DO get altitude sickness despite living up here 14 years --- BUT --- I am far more susceptible to it if I am dehydrated AND I have found when that funny sick dizzy feeling just starts to come up, if I get on the stick and start pounding water, I get to feeling better after awhile. Altitude sickness is really serious stuff, do not mess with it. Probably a good idea for us all to ask how each other is doing and to fess up if you feel at all weird.

My research into several books in making the compendium and personal experience above leads me to believe all the advice on altitude sickness and water is spot on.

So anyway, while I do drink coffee in Ouray, I try to cut down on it because there's no sense in giving myself an ADDITIONAL disadvantage.

Michael

[Gambler68]

Last year I brought a couple liter sized aquafinia bottles and a bunch of those one shot powder things of Gatorade or whatnot flavor adders. Easy to toss in a backpack and keep out of the sun.

H20+electrolytes=good times.

[Ralph Rogers]

<Last year I brought a couple liter sized aquafinia bottles and a bunch of those one shot powder things of Gatorade or whatnot flavor adders. Easy to toss in a backpack and keep out of the sun. >

Yeah, and he was still wierd.

We brought those packets with us last year also. They work great.
Ralph

[Gambler68]

hey! I resemble that remark :P

[will e]

Just kind of a thought. I went wheel'n this weekend out in the AZ desert. Maybe it was mentioned already but I seemed to pay extra attention to it.

Always have an exit strategy if your brakes fail. Don't just focus on the side of hill you can fall down but keep an idea in your head of where you will steer if the brakes fail. Do this before it happens. Is there a side trail you can steer into, a bunch of brush, can you drag your rig up against the side of the hill to help slow it down? Whatever you think will work.

[turtlejoe]

That's a good point Will E. It applies to any situation/trail you're on, which demonstrates that wheeling demands attention and concentration at all times. What are you going to do on a trail not wide enough for 2 vehicles? Can you identify potential "passing" areas up ahead? Do you remember the closest one behind you in the event you need to retreat? What if the brakes/steering/fuel pump fail? It's a constant review of everything around you and what your exit strategy is.

In '04, we were heading up Imogene with a lot of downhill traffic ahead and precious little room on either side. I had to tell the family "silence!" so I could fully concentrate on all the variables. Fortunately for me, my wife and 2 boys completely understood what was going on and heeded my request - I didn't even get a smack from the right seat. There have been many instances after a trail was completed (or at a stopping point), where I needed to let out a big breath of relief and take a short break - and extract the underbritches from their new pucker-factor induced home.

[fulsizjeep]

I also remember the tight spots as we got near the top of Imogene in 04 Kerry. It was still raining when I met that black H2 with super dark tinted windows where I could not see the occupants. I was so ready to flip them off when they would not move over and forced me to take a tight line on the edge. But I wanted both hands on the wheel... It is during times like that where I later find I am holding my breath, so it is also a good idea to try and remember to keep breathing! :cool:

[Don S]

I also remember the tight spots as we got near the top of Imogene in 04 Kerry. It was still raining when I met that black H2 with super dark tinted windows where I could not see the occupants. I was so ready to flip them off when they would not move over and forced me to take a tight line on the edge. :cool:
..
Flint;

... As you know the rule is up hill has the right of way. Some tourists don’t know this. These are Jeep Trails and not very well suited for H-1, H-2 or other wide trail hogs. Full Size Jeeps are actually quite narrow.

... There is a big problem with the ’up hill’ rule. When a very large group of vehicles is on the way down like on the west side at the top of Imogene where two CJ's can't pass. :eek: There are passing spots where H-2s can't pass. So we need to be forgiving with this rule.

... On the other hand, I carry a lunch so if I come across an obnoxious or belligerent driver I can/will park blocking the narrow trail. Michael has seen this strategy work with a ‘lady’ driving a crew cab dually. We just sat there a few minutes then she backed into a wide place on this “JEEP TRAIL”! Now repete after me:D ... "This is a Jeep trail, I'm in a Jeep!" :rolleyes: :D :D

Flint, I have made an up-date on the driving tips at T&O but forgot to add that ribbons on top of antennas is a good idea. And a link to the CFSJA site info. . PM me with your corrections, thoughts or add-ons. It is hard to write these articles short but needing to saying ”one plus one equals two" for the other 5% … :banghead:

Sure glad we are getting so many trail experienced people in our group now.

Have a good one while you can still laugh about it;) .. Don S..
If something I’ve posted on the Internet offends you please ignore it.
If you don’t know how to ignore something on the Internet e-mail me … and I’ll demonstrate.

[fulsizjeep]

..
... On the other hand, I carry a lunch so if I come across an obnoxious or belligerent driver I can/will park blocking the narrow trail. Michael has seen this strategy work with a ‘lady’ driving a crew cab dually. We just sat there a few minutes then she backed into a wide place on this “JEEP TRAIL”! Now repete after me:D ... "This is a Jeep trail, I'm in a Jeep!" :rolleyes: :D :D

Flint, I have made an up-date on the driving tips at T&O but forgot to add that ribbons on top of antennas is a good idea. And a link to the CFSJA site info. . PM me with your corrections, thoughts or add-ons. It is hard to write these articles short but needing to saying ”one plus one equals two" for the other 5% … :banghead:


I like that approach Don! That is certainly an option. Shut it down and wait for their bloated rig to move out of the way. Novel idea! :thumbsup:

Will check that info out and let you know. Yes, I bet it is hard to condense it. Thanks!

[HOOT]

Steve and I were passed by a Chevy coming down the switchbacks off of Imogene. We were trying to get to Telluride to seek some revenge.
We were also blocked off coming up the step on our approach to Imogene.
I've heard Steve take some bashing here on his attitude that day and all I have to say is put your self in his place.
If I had a firearm handy I'd most likely be in jail to this day.
I really have no plans on getting killed due to others inappropriate actions.

[fulsizjeep]

At 13000 feet, the bullets would probably travel faster too Tom... :D

I hope we are done giving Steve a hard time about events that day. :o I heard about the Suburban passing y'all on the inside of a switch back. That is just unacceptable.

[turtlejoe]

I also remember the tight spots as we got near the top of Imogene in 04 Kerry. It was still raining when I met that black H2 with super dark tinted windows where I could not see the occupants. I was so ready to flip them off when they would not move over and forced me to take a tight line on the edge. But I wanted both hands on the wheel... It is during times like that where I later find I am holding my breath, so it is also a good idea to try and remember to keep breathing! :cool:

Heck Flint, I'm still amazed that Heimeken managed to squeeze by that lardarse. On the way by, I got a look at the driver through the windshield - he was in a tie! It was just 2-3 weeks after that when that Grand Cherokee went over the side right about the same spot. :(

This image shows Heime on Ophir Pass, but still shows how narrow the trails can be to those unfamiliar with the San Juan's: http://homepage.mac.com/tamscraigunit/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2004-07-18%2020.36.52%20-0700/Image-553F5142D93411D8.jpg

I'm also still amazed that Denise didn't hit me when I told everybody to shut up. That's the only time in my life I'll get away that.;)

Edit: I originally identified the photo as Imogene, but have been reminded by the Grand Obi Wan (Don S.) that it's really on Ophir. Don S. is the man!

[Gambler68]

maybe we should make cardboard signs for the shotgunners to hold up to the Tourons:

UPHILL HAS
RIGHT OF WAY,
YOU MORON!
(unless there's 10 of us coming down and only 1 of you)
:thumbsup:

IF YOU DON'T
MOVE OVER
I'LL SCRAPE
YOUR PRETTY
PAINT JOB
WITH MY
BUMPER/TIRES

ok I better stop this is too much fun :D

[bigun]

I think I am going to mount some Mars lights on Crom!!

[bigun]

maybe we should make cardboard signs for the shotgunners to hold up to the Tourons:

UPHILL HAS
RIGHT OF WAY,
YOU MORON!
(unless there's 10 of us coming down and only 1 of you)
:thumbsup:

IF YOU DON'T
MOVE OVER
I'LL SCRAPE
YOUR PRETTY
PAINT JOB
WITH MY
BUMPER/TIRES

ok I better stop this is too much fun :D



Don't stop now go for it!!:dancingbanana::dancingbanana:

[jdubya]

I am going to put new tires on my rig. I was planning on putting bigger tires regardless, but hear me out.....

I have a 4" lift the rig (The White Zombie) I'm bringing to Ouray.

I'm eventually planning on cutting it up and putting 36's (or bigger) with SOA. I'm hoping to cut the back off, and make if a full on off roader.

However, I want to stay focused on Ouray and be properly prepared.

So, I'm thinking of finishing my smaller projects, and putting 32's on it. I'm concerned that bigger tires will create a huge cost and driveability issue for the long haul to Colorado from Chicago. My thought is to use the 32's for the trip, and when I get back I will put a 4" on my DD (Emmy) and use the tires on that rig.


THE QUESTION: Will a 4" lift and 32's be functional in Ouray?

[Gambler68]

Stock rigs are completely fine. Worry more about a good running engine for that long of a trip, fresh fluids, etc etc.

[fulsizjeep]

What Ryan says is true. In short, we have run 32s on 2 of our rigs at Ouray. No Problemo.

Michael Keaton said in Mr Mom - "220, 221, something like that"

"32s, 33s, something like that" if ya get my drift...

We have watched everything from bone stock to highly modified FSJs come to Ouray and run the trails. The kicker is running these carburated engines over 13000 feet without overheating, loading up or vapor locking. You can have vaporlock and not overheat too. There are some who have come with FI or Propane with good results. In 2002 I followed a bone stock 91 GW from Long Island up to Engineer Pass and back down to Animas Forks. I was impressed! It ran great when some of the more modified rigs ended up turning back. Vaporlock is a sneeky critter. Since you are coming from the east, you may just be coming US 50 to Montrose right? If you can cross Monarch Pass without vaporlocking, you may just have it dialed in for Ouray.

[will e]

4" and 31" is what I ran last year with no problems.

List of things to do:
Fix Spring perch issue.
Fix driver side window. (Stuck in the up position)
Fix Alternator (Doesn't consistently charge) _Done!
Fuel Injection (Gets flakey every once in a while, this will be a bear to figure out) Fixed!
Check and double check brakes. (May just do a brake job, those trails have some long hill and I am pulling a trailer to Ouray again this year) Includes adjustment of parking brake
Complete Stereo upgrade. (Not a requirement)
Check that trailer lights still work. (Best to do this before zero hour)
Change oil.
Tranny and TC should be fine, they were just serviced.
Find a mount point for 5 gallon gas can.
oil pan gasket
Dip Stick tube replace.
Figure out where all that oil is coming from in the front....
Fuel block off plate leaks
exhaust manifold gasket
In Cab shock adjuster needs to be fixed.

That should keep me busy....

[nw_upstart]

Gas can....... That's what I was forgetting!

[grand_wag_85]

I'm gonna replace all the gaskets on the motor and do a flush on the trans, again, before I head out...Any quick lube places in/near Ouray? If not, is there a drop-off place in town for used oil? Is it frowned upon to change oil/wrench at the KOA?

[will e]

I'm gonna replace all the gaskets on the motor and do a flush on the trans, again, before I head out...Any quick lube places in/near Ouray? If not, is there a drop-off place in town for used oil? Is it frowned upon to change oil/wrench at the KOA?

They did some work on a broken truck but I think overall a regular oil change would be frowned upon.

[grand_wag_85]

They did some work on a broken truck but I think overall a regular oil change would be frowned upon.
Kind of figured as much...Would there be a quick lube place nearby then?

[Rainman]

Kind of figured as much...Would there be a quick lube place nearby then?

I'm pretty sure there is one in Montrose.

[Gambler68]

considering it takes all of 10 minutes to drain the oil, change a filter, and refill, I don't see the problem as long as you're not leaving a 5' wide slick of oil on the ground after. why waste 35 bux at some quicklube? :confused: Are we men, or soccer moms?! :D

You can park behind my rig so the camp SS doesn't spot you. Remember not to whistle or act like you're enjoying yourself, and it should go flawlessly.

[HOOT]

Kind of figured as much...Would there be a quick lube place nearby then?

If you are looking for a lube joint to change your oil before the trip back home, then yes there will be quite a few different places along the way.

I hope you're not wanting them to service your vehicle and then take it in the mountains?:eek:

I regulary stopped at the one in Moab for my Van every trip out. Nice to not have to fool with doing an oil change on the road. :drivin: After they service your vehicle then go and eat somewhere close by. Check for leaking after you eat:thumbsup: , return if necessary:banghead: ,OR continue with journey:fsj: .

[Don S]

..


I had to reload most of my photos so they will all have new URLs:(

... Most important thing in preparing for Ouray is to be able to transport injured people to the Hospital quickly. So here are the maps.
http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10072/monthosp1.jpg
http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10072/monthosp1.jpg (http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10072/monthosp1.jpg)Montrose Hospital Map 1
http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10072/monthosp2.jpg
http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10072/monthosp2.jpg (http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10072/monthosp2.jpg)Montrose Hospital Map 2

... In preparation for Ouray carburetors should be tested for ascending/descending steep angles and off camber operation. With automatic transmissions the engine must be running in order to utilize engine braking. You do know what engine braking is!!!:eek:
... Also practice slowing down without sliding the wheels down steep gravel trails. In the picture the FSJ is stopped, if the hill was any steeper the FSJ would slide on down on the dirt and gravel.
http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10072/normal_fsj76a.jpg
http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10072/normal_fsj76a.jpg (http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10072/normal_fsj76a.jpg)76 Angle Test

Have a good one while you can still laugh about it.. Don S..
Corn Ethanol: Our government is hoodwinking Americans and making a few people rich. We have a 50 cent per gallon tariff against importing ethanol and subsidize our ethanol refiners 54 cents per gallon with our tax dollars. And using Corn Ethanol will drive food prices up! Another case where lobbyists make the laws!

[fulsizjeep]

Thanks Don! Just to be absolutely clear on a couple things also...

Never, ever, ever turn your ignition key off while travelling any trails in Ouray. Wait until you have come to a complete stop first. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, if you are running a Quadratrac, it better have a low range unit installed or you won't be riding with any of us on the trails. :cool:

Ignoring either of these could easily result in us using those maps that Don posted. :eek:

[GAchoptop]

A lot of great information. I think I have the altitude sickness down for me.... but I'm worried about the my edelbrock 1406.

I'll be bringing the Choptop out from Georgia - hooking up with Dan (youngjeeper) there at Ouray. We will be driving his jeep at the East Coast Invasion so I can focus on getting the Choptop carb adjusted for the high altitude.

It looks like the best approach is to get some new metering rods and jets- just not sure how lean I need to go. Has anyone set up the 1406 for the altitudes of Ouray before that could let me know the winning combination? What are the ranges (base KOA camp to highest point) that we will be jeepin? Thanks for the help!

[Jeepstress]

Elevation range will be +/- 7000 to 13,000 feet - depending on what trails we hit. (21,000 feet if we try to find the elusive Dumass Pass).

[nw_upstart]

I know nothing about dialing in a carb for altitude. What should I start trying to figure out? Parts I should bring/swap out in advance?

[grand_wag_85]

I'm gonna replace all the gaskets on the motor and do a flush on the trans, again, before I head out...Any quick lube places in/near Ouray? If not, is there a drop-off place in town for used oil? Is it frowned upon to change oil/wrench at the KOA?

Scratch that......Get a new body:(

[fulsizjeep]

It looks like the best approach is to get some new metering rods and jets- just not sure how lean I need to go. Has anyone set up the 1406 for the altitudes of Ouray before that could let me know the winning combination? What are the ranges (base KOA camp to highest point) that we will be jeepin? Thanks for the help!

Now, if I can dig up my Carter AFB specs here... I think we tuned Ryan's Cherokee to run the same #s. The altitude at KOA is about 7800 feet.

I know nothing about dialing in a carb for altitude. What should I start trying to figure out? Parts I should bring/swap out in advance?

If you are coming from near sea level, you may want to tune when you get here. What carb do you have and what's the altitude there?

Scratch that......Get a new body:(
soooo sorry to hear about the Cherokee crash Sean... :(

[nw_upstart]

If you are coming from near sea level, you may want to tune when you get here. What carb do you have and what's the altitude there?


Couple hundred feet above sea level (570ish I think). The carb would be the stock on from a '79 Cherokee.

I have no problem tuning when I get there I just want to make sure I have the stuff for you guys to help me.:thumbsup:

[RiverRat]

There's a good article about wheeling at high altitudes in the June Off-Road Adventures magazine, just got it yesterday.

[turtlejoe]

Couple hundred feet above sea level (570ish I think). The carb would be the stock on from a '79 Cherokee.

I have no problem tuning when I get there I just want to make sure I have the stuff for you guys to help me.:thumbsup:

Is yours the Motorcraft 2100 or 2150?? If it's the 2150 (it has an extra, smaller butterfly on the choke tower), just give it a good cleaning and a rebuild kit. The biggest problem(s) you can have are vacuum leaks, so find and eliminate them.

The 2150 is an altitude compensating carb, and many have been to Ouray and done very well. You should not have to adjust your mixture at all, but plan on advancing your timing. Heck, my Cherokee has been there twice ('02 and '05) and done very well - and it's the MC 2100 (non-altitude version) carb.

[Gambler68]

So everyone prepared?! :D

Assuming my cherk survives the scouting mission next weekend, all I gotta do gas up and go. If I see it running high temps, I may install a pusher fan I have sitting here and toss a spare battery in the back. And go buy one of those $50 Cobra CBs at wallymart too..it gets lonely with no cb..



:fsj:

[bigun]

So everyone prepared?! :D

Assuming my cherk survives the scouting mission next weekend, all I gotta do gas up and go. If I see it running high temps, I may install a pusher fan I have sitting here and toss a spare battery in the back. And go buy one of those $50 Cobra CBs at wallymart too..it gets lonely with no cb..
:fsj:
:eek::rolleyes2::omfg: A ratchet jaw with a radio!!!! Bart assures me that Crom will be ready on time. Since I can't be here I must leave in his competent hands.

[Gambler68]

:eek::rolleyes2::omfg: A ratchet jaw with a radio!!!! Bart assures me that Crom will be ready on time. Since I can't be here I must leave in his competent hands.

:P I was a DJ in college. I'm magic on mike, yo.

shoot, I should rig up a PA speaker on the roof so I can yell at the FJ'rs...got a spare 250 watt Punch amp sitting here..hmmm...

[shimniok]

On the Edelbrock / Carter AFB carbs, main jets affect mixture across the driving range including WOT. IIRC I used to run 92 primaries and 95 secondaries with the original rods (.074 x .047 or something close)

Your best bet is to call Edelbrock for advice on the rods & jets. Also Edelbrock has a manual for tuning. You can use their charts to help figure out what amouns to 1 or 2 stages leaner.

For the 2150's you have an altitude compensator. As long as it works, you will probably be close enough into the ballpark for it to work ok. Jets should be oem #55 or #56 depending on type of 2150. If you can find #52's (good luck) those may work better at highest altitudes but I've taken 2150's up there and they worked fine.

Quadrajets... no advice, as they are all so different. You'd have to change main jets but there is no universal answer. One carb may want 70's, one may want 72's, etc. Who can say. If you can find an Edelbrock Qjet tuning kit, jump on it, then you can always rejet if it is running horribly.

Not enough experience with other carbs to help except to say typically you're changing your base metering ie primary jets, maybe secondaries.

You might think about restoring the cold air intake tube... purely theory, never tried this, but... if the engine is drawing colder air, it 'should' be more dense and thus lean out the mixture a bit.

Hope this helps

Michael


A lot of great information. I think I have the altitude sickness down for me.... but I'm worried about the my edelbrock 1406.

I'll be bringing the Choptop out from Georgia - hooking up with Dan (youngjeeper) there at Ouray. We will be driving his jeep at the East Coast Invasion so I can focus on getting the Choptop carb adjusted for the high altitude.

It looks like the best approach is to get some new metering rods and jets- just not sure how lean I need to go. Has anyone set up the 1406 for the altitudes of Ouray before that could let me know the winning combination? What are the ranges (base KOA camp to highest point) that we will be jeepin? Thanks for the help!

[bigun]

:P I was a DJ in college. I'm magic on mike, yo.

shoot, I should rig up a PA speaker on the roof so I can yell at the FJ'rs...got a spare 250 watt Punch amp sitting here..hmmm...
Hmm you start trouble your going to have to handle it your self! Bart and I'll be sitting back eating popcorn critiquing your style!
Speaking of amps I just got a satellite radio for the DD the only problem is that at 75 I can't hear it because of the wind noise through the open windows. I guess it just goes to show it's always something

[flatbackdragon]

I can't hear it because of the wind noise

must get a thump thump amp and speakers so all those around you can hear it
even at 75.

[bigun]

must get a thump thump amp and speakers so all those around you can hear it
even at 75.
I would just like to hear it I went to the store and they don't carry Kraco amps and equilizers anymore the cheapest thing I saw had more zeros after the first number than my pay check does!

[Gambler68]

I would just like to hear it I went to the store and they don't carry Kraco amps and equilizers anymore the cheapest thing I saw had more zeros after the first number than my pay check does!

you can still order those Pyramid eq/boosters from JC WhipMe. You ol' guys looove that stuff :D

[bigun]

Simple and easy to install and my hearing can't tell the difference in the sound from the high dollar stuff!

[flatbackdragon]

the kids got me a Homedics MP3 Cushion from Sears for xmas, has a little plug u could hook into your mp3 player or with a little adapter from rshack could tie the cushion plug into speakers then have two speakers at your head.

[Gambler68]

the kids got me a Homedics MP3 Cushion from Sears for xmas, has a little plug u could hook into your mp3 player or with a little adapter from rshack could tie the cushion plug into speakers then have two speakers at your head.

heh, I could see ya jamming out to this: http://play.rhapsody.com/troutfishinginamerica/familymusicparty/18wheelsonabigrig?didAutoplayBounce=true

:thumbsup:

yeah, where we live, unless you love fire and brimstone preachers when driving through the mtns, MP3 players are a must! I love the sound of the dual exhausts at full roar, but I like music better :)

Cool, so we're all ready?! :D

(mutters..isn't a ratchet jaw at all..ratchet typer)

[HOOT]

I can't get off work long enough to do anything. 16 hour days 7 days a week is starting to cut into my vacation schedule. At least I can keep in touch online through work. My J20 is coming as is except for some front end work that is going on this week. Maybe I'll clean the exterior up for the trip this time. I'd still like to get the Saab seats installed just for comfort on the long haul out. Looks like day one of the trip is going to be spent dragging a trailer and loading up a 74 J20. At least I'll get to leave it behind and pick up the trailer and truck on the way back home.:thumbsup:

Looks like the money is all there for the trip now anyways.:drivin: :fsj: as long as there is no :banghead: , like last year I'll be fine.

[HOOT]

Will it ever stop...literally

Bad things continue to happen here in KY.

I took out a deer last Friday night with the TBird. Crumpled the front end but still driveable and can be fixed after Ouray.

Found out Yesterday that the city is about to come down on me for a house paint job that is on hold till fall. Screw them....

Then today the "nail in the coffin" or my "saving grace" however you want to view it. The J20 blew a brakeline at the gas tank area. Noway to get the parts and all installed before the trip.All the metal lines are rusted badly. Also while looking for a squeak while in 4 wheel drive I find my front driveshaft yoke is extremely worn and its Ujoints need replaced. That and the fact I just don't trust this truck at all now.

Looks like if I come it will be in a rental from the start this year.
Maybe I can get a FJ :hide:

[Ralph Rogers]

Sorry to hear that man.
Better there than on the mountain. (Don't you hate it when someone says crap like that - it could have been worse, etc - yeah right. I feel better now).

What do you mean "If I come?"

You don't have the hair to rent an FJ and bring it with us!:p

Ralph

[HOOT]

Sorry to hear that man.
Better there than on the mountain. (Don't you hate it when someone says crap like that - it could have been worse, etc - yeah right. I feel better now).

What do you mean "If I come?"

You don't have the hair to rent an FJ and bring it with us!:p

Ralph

Oddly enough it happened while I was on the backhill pointing down to the river. I was parking on the hill to pick up a load of brush. Got it into park before it took off. My first thought was what if this would of happened a few days later. :eek: When I fired the truck back up I threw it into low range and idled down the hill to the level area. Low range in a NP208 is nice.:thumbsup:
If I could get my hands on a FJ believe me I would definitely come.:rolleyes:

For anyone wondering about my camp spot, I'll keep it in my name and anyone who needs it can use it. Most likely I will still be there. I have to get away for some down time.:drivin:

[will e]

Rent an FJ and wheel with us. I think that would be funny as all get out.

[Ralph Rogers]

Gotta come on out. Yor camping spot would be disastrous to loose. Then we would hate you.
Ralph

[flatbackdragon]

HOOT-get a FJ, we'll get 49 or 51 to change spots with ya.
Shane Oliver is going to need some company.
I can see it now at their registration.....
OMG I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE D*** FULLSIZEJEEPERS BY MY SELF!
and by some of their pictures, they are not all small people.