roll cage FSJ

[kyrel]

anyone know were to buy a prebent roll cage for a FSJ. A buddy of mine is looking for one.

[83waggy]

im pretty sure there arent any prebent cages or cage kits, you'll have to make your own or get someone else to.

[kamikaze4x4nj]

wrong, rustys sells ones for all 2 door fsj's for $220 bucks

[orangecherokee]

he meant to say, anyone worth a ****. so you're wrong.

edit: with pic

[kamikaze4x4nj]

hahah, it does like kinda of cheesie, just like 3 peices, figured i would let him know anyway

[BRUTUS]

oldcj5guy on here was developing a prebent cage for waggy's a few months ago. Not sure if he ever finished them.

What FSJ are we talking about here anyways? That would help out a lil bit.

[hardbody1]

On this subject does anyone have the rustys roll bar im curious to know how it fits and if it gets in the way of anything because the guy that was gonna build me one has got a pretty long lead time.

Kyle

[incommando]

anyone know were to buy a prebent roll cage for a FSJ. A buddy of mine is looking for one.

CAGE not BAR or more precisely:internal light mount if that picture does it justice

[scotty]

What FSJ are we talking about here anyways? That would help out a lil bit.

its going to be a buggy,with none of the original body. he was thinking of getting a cage kit from jegs,but kyrel thot someone made one for FSJs that may fit alittle better than the universal jegs truck cage.

i was spossed to research it and forgot :o (oops)

anyway,i think weve talked him into just bending it up himself. it will come out lookin cooler and hell have a much greater sense of satisfaction. if he sends me pics of his build ill start a thread. :drivin:

[Sambo]

i dont know the maker of mine,but i can tell ya its not crusty's!:thumbsup:
i have had mine long before they made theirs...and its just like it!
i installed it when i had a top,easy as pie! mounts right behind the drivers seats,and runners mount to top of the wheel wells! the back runners are machine fit,so they are tight! btw i welded mine up after install,instead of bolting together;)
i'll get pixs later for ya!

[incommando]

I have often thought of measuring the "cab" area of my Jeep and calling Jegs to see if they have anything that could work. They want like $259 for a 10-pt and I could pick it up. They biggest reason is that then we could sticky that "Jegs kit #*********" works" for those with no other option for a cage.

[adamsclarke]

I wouldn't trust my life to a $200 cage. Material and installation is where you want to spend your money. Your best bet is to find a friend with a bender and go buy the tube (DOM around $4-5 a running ft). I figure a small jeep cage with plenty of triangulation is about 60-70 ft...so make it 100-125 feet and you should be good to go.

[incommando]

I wouldn't trust my life to a $200 cage. Material and installation is where you want to spend your money. Your best bet is to find a friend with a bender and go buy the tube (DOM around $4-5 a running ft). I figure a small jeep cage with plenty of triangulation is about 60-70 ft...so make it 100-125 feet and you should be good to go.

Actually, I believe that the cage kits available from numerous sources are far superior to most back-yard jobs. All of the Jegs kits will pass NHRA inspection. They are far cheaper due to the fact they make/sell many of them and can no doubt get the materials much cheaper. I also doubt that that they have 40'-65' of waste per cage built, either. I have a S&W 10-pt on my Road Runner, we put another in a Cutlass, and I feel much safer in those then I would in the home-builts. That price does not include installation, and 1.75" DOM tubing with the same wall thickness is probably pretty standard. How can you assure that the tubing you buy from your local yard is better than that used by Jegs or S&W? The pre-bent stuff is going to be thickness-tested. Is the home built's tubing? And Jegs, for example, offers about 80 different part numbers. These kits are not really universal, although they would not be FSJ specific.

I friend of mine ( Joe Lease) is the main tech inspector for Division three of NHRA. He has lots of fun stories about people trying to get home-built cages to pass tech vs. pre-bent kits. A well done home-built may in fact be superior, but few home-builts are in fact well built. You will also note that Jegs has the balls to call their product a ROLL CAGE or ROLL BAR and they gaurantee it will meet standards. Obviosuly their liabilty lawyers might believe a little something about the reliability of their design, or it would be called a light bar or some such nonesense that most off-road warehouses use. You might argue that the cages are designed for different purposes, and that may have some merit. But the NHRA cages have to be inspected & tested and of sound design. That gets my vote.

I will trust their CAD cage before I will trust someone with a Harbor Freight bender & TSC welder standing at a failed cage, scratching their head, going "I guess we shoulda done that differently."


PS: Obviously this does not apply to everybody. Having met Scotty, for example, and seen his stuff, I would trust something he made out of JB weld and an old bed frame. But a lot more guys THINK they have that ability than actually have it, in my experience.

[adamsclarke]

I agree totally...but most of the S&W cages I have seen have been HREW...so not as strong as DOM....but I guess I trust my ability more than most....and getting a different cage that noone else has is a nice touch.

[jode]

CHeap one here:
http://www.rockymountainextreme.com/showthread.php?t=40061

[etjeep]

Never seen an aftermarket bolt-on. I don't consider that headache bar initially posted a roll cage. I had Goferit fab in Greensboro do mine. The proprietor is a buddy of mine and we were in the same 4x4 club. he is an ace welder who welds day in and day out. He did a great job. I would not trust myself, and I consider myself to be a pretty good welder, even though I don't get to weld as often as I like.

[scotty]

Actually, I believe that the cage kits available from numerous sources are far superior to most back-yard jobs. All of the Jegs kits will pass NHRA inspection. They are far cheaper due to the fact they make/sell many of them and can no doubt get the materials much cheaper. I also doubt that that they have 40'-65' of waste per cage built, either.

How can you assure that the tubing you buy from your local yard is better than that used by Jegs or S&W? The pre-bent stuff is going to be thickness-tested. Is the home built's tubing? And Jegs, for example, offers about 80 different part numbers. These kits are not really universal, although they would not be FSJ specific.

I friend of mine ( Joe Lease) is the main tech inspector for Division three of NHRA. He has lots of fun stories about people trying to get home-built cages to pass tech vs. pre-bent kits. A well done home-built may in fact be superior, but few home-builts are in fact well built. You will also note that Jegs has the balls to call their product a ROLL CAGE or ROLL BAR and they gaurantee it will meet standards. Obviosuly their liabilty lawyers might believe a little something about the reliability of their design, or it would be called a light bar or some such nonesense that most off-road warehouses use. You might argue that the cages are designed for different purposes, and that may have some merit. But the NHRA cages have to be inspected & tested and of sound design. That gets my vote.

well said don. :thumbsup:

also,i sent ya an email...

[scotty]

I agree totally...but most of the S&W cages I have seen have been HREW...so not as strong as DOM.

not as strong,but still perfectly acceptable for cage construction. lots of folks(including myself) have made good,strong cages from HREW,and put them to the test.

i can completely understand the desire to make it yourself,but i also wouldnt rag on someone that bought a NHRA approved prebrent kit...

[83waggy]

hmm, I never even thought about checking with jegs to see if they had a kit that would fit an fsj, someone needs to figure out which one works best cause those prices are great.

[etjeep]

Never seen an aftermarket bolt-on. I don't consider that headache bar initially posted a roll cage. I had Goferit fab in Greensboro do mine. The proprietor is a buddy of mine and we were in the same 4x4 club. he is an ace welder who welds day in and day out. He did a great job. I would not trust myself, and I consider myself to be a pretty good welder, even though I don't get to weld as often as I like.

Edit "Never seen an aftermarket bolt-on.......for a FSJ."

[Merc69]

Depending on the overall design of the rollcage you can expect 90 to 110 of tube. Weights will be around 200 to 250 lbs for the tubes alone.

One fabricator on another board posted the way he priced out a cage was the cost of the tube plus 50%, $25.00 per bend, $15.00 per cope, and finally $15.00 per weld.

I recently watched the posts from Blue Torch Fab where there were 34 bends in a single cage (34 X 25= $850.00) for the bends alone.

The production cages in the JEGS catalog are all welded seam tube (BTW DOM tube starts off life as welded seam tube the drawn ober a mandrel for a more uniform wall thickness and increased strength). It appears the drag cars use 1 5/8" with .134 wal tube (It was explained to me the reason is that in the bends the tube will thin and that is where the tech inspectors check to ensure a safe cage).

I am sure there is a company out there who will design and manufacture a cage kit for our rigs. The problem is the cost per unit vs. the number of units ordered. The cages for sale through places like JEGS are reasonable/ really good deals because they sell several hundred or more a year. How many kits would be sold for our rigs? I could see kits in the area of $600.00 or more for HERW tube and DOM kits being in excess of $1,000.00. Then you will have to weld the kit in yourself or pay someone to weld it in.

Another thing to think about is that even "kits" may need to be modified...ends cut shorter, recope an end, etc.

With all that said I hope the fine folks at BJ's might think about a kit...if not find a cage maker and dig out your wallet. :drivin:

[elbastardo]

I just got off the phone with jegs, I didnt even bother explaining my aplication. But i did ask about how i would go about finding and modifing a cage they sold (they offer no meashurments or angles on there web site). But the operator told me that they would send me some sort of paper work, that i would then pull some meashurments, send it back and they would match it up to somthing in stock (assuming they have somthing).

[83waggy]

I just got off the phone with jegs, I didnt even bother explaining my aplication. But i did ask about how i would go about finding and modifing a cage they sold (they offer no meashurments or angles on there web site). But the operator told me that they would send me some sort of paper work, that i would then pull some meashurments, send it back and they would match it up to somthing in stock (assuming they have somthing).

awesome, keep us posted

[jepj2000]

I hope someone comes up with something. I will soon be in the market for one for my J10. I hope to find an easier solution than complete custom fab for one. I know that BJs fabbed one up for their project wagon what happened there are they planning on producing that as a kit someday or was that just for that project.

[AlsChopShop]

elbastardo, what's wrong with what you've got?

Al

[incommando]

S&W ( www.swracecars.com (http://www.swracecars.com)) will also send you a packet where you measure what you need, plot it on a graph, and send it back. They review the design and if it is "do-able" they make them for at or near the price of their other kits.

I had a Commmando cage going through this process. Then one of the "gurus" decided they would do it and I let mine fall by the wayside. 5 years later, still no pre-bent Commando cages.

BTW: The Cherokee cage listed on the S&W site is for an XJ.

[bigun]

Hmm time for me to drag out the old race catologs I had never thought of finding something that could be modified.

[elbastardo]

Al, what i have bearly qualifies as a roll bar, And with all the additional weight im adding latley, The Fr60 the 465 203-205 and the 40s. I just dont want to second guess on safety.

[AlsChopShop]

for some reason i was thinking you had a full cage already. :huh:

you should just bring the rig down and let frank help you out with the cage, then we can wheel the snot out of it down here! ;)

Al

[bigun]

I got a cousin works for Warn he and his buddy build jeeps on the side if you want his email PM me and I'll send it to you.

[grand_wag_85]

I've got a 4pt in mine, the PO told me he thinks it's a smittybilt but he wasn't sure.

It mounts on the floor in front of the back seat, like right behind the driver's seat then mounts to the floor behind the wheel-well in the back. The plate in the back where it mounts to the wheel-well is setup just so, that I think it's definately meant and mass-produced for FSJ's, whoever made it. WIll get pix if wanted

[Sbonley]

It could very well be a Hicks cage as well. They used to have a couple of kits for the Cherokee. But they aren't around any more. Actually I did see a premade interior cage for the Cherokee about 4 years ago but I don't remember who made it. In anycase I don't think they do any more.

[grand_wag_85]

I'll take some better pics next time I'm out but these are the only ones I have that you can see the cage:

http://a1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/40/l_f7c306eddfe09279606b0651b075e3b0.jpg

http://a660.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/26/l_3761373405892b669685f284c58d791b.jpg

I'd like to get some kind of extensions to make it into a 6pt but I'm happy with it.

[youngjeeper]

I had a line on cage kits..it would of been around $350 for a full 6 point with spreaders, notched, 1.75" DOM. I bought a kit no spreaders, no notching for $200 from the guy. He bent it off the wrong plans and it was for a Jeep with no top! Anyhow, he is out of business now for mistakes like this! Bummer it didn't work out!

[Tobynine9]

hmm, I never even thought about checking with jegs to see if they had a kit that would fit an fsj, someone needs to figure out which one works best cause those prices are great.

Anyone ever made any progress on this? My brother just rolled his room mates pickup and nearly completely crushed the cab. He got out only with cuts on his head neck... somehow. But now I want a cage or at least a bar.

[Merc69]

I have designed a cage but the cost of the tube, bending, coping the ends and the liability costs have priced this in the area of a custom cage. Also the other consideration is the cost of shipping, the hoops are way to large for UPS. I would recommend finding a local shop and bite the bullet. I wish there was a way they could be made, carry the required insurance and ship them for $300.00 but that is not going to happen.

Sorry about the facts of life.

[flatlander58]

Anyone made any progress with Jegs or ...?

[Casey]

On this subject does anyone have the rustys roll bar im curious to know how it fits and if it gets in the way of anything because the guy that was gonna build me one has got a pretty long lead time.

Kyle
I bought one. I had to know.
It's HREW 2' .120 wall. Fits well, easy to install. And could be tied to the frame easily enough.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/rcasey/FSJ/rollbarbefore1-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/rcasey/FSJ/rollbarbefore-1.jpg

I'm not going to put it in my Chief. I'm going to use it as a 'sport bar' in my '74 Chero resto-mod.

I bought HREW 1 5/8" .140 wall from a local shop, Chris Durham Motorsports @ $35 per 20' stick. I got 80' of it for half of what it cost to buy and have the bar from Rusty's shipped to my house. I just had to know...

Starting on the cage this evening. :cool: