still looking at tires.

[Narnian]

I've been running the 33X12.5 BFG AT's on my Cherry, and I'm getting ready to put 265X75R16 tires on my J20. The local shop has some Buckshot mudders available for $108 each w/ mounting. That tire is roughly 31.5 X 10.5.

http://www.maxxis.com/automotive/productDetail.asp?BrandID=153

I wanted something a little more aggressive than the BFG's. I've gotten into mud before where the BFG's were just getting clogged. BUT, I have to admit I do spend ore time on pavement than in the mud, so I'm wondering if I should stick with an AT kind of tire.

I am not concerned with a comfortable ride in the J20 (it's not going to happen!), but I don't want to give up stopping power on the highway, or find out that the Mudders wear out after twenty miles.

Any suggestions?

[will e]

No suggestion on Mudders but Discount tire is clearing out their old AT (Non KO) for $95. 31X10.5
That includes balancing, mounting, limited road hazard and valve stem.

Check out their web site.

www.tires.com (http://www.tires.com)

[dnixon]

hey check out www.tirerack.com (http://www.tirerack.com) they have some cheap tires.. site is kind of hard to get through but I have found tires there for about 50-70 cheaper then anywhere else...

[CowKiller]

do not get the buckshots. they suck off road. they might look mean but mud is ok, rocks suck, they slide.

[Bob Barry]

Which BFG's are you saying get clogged with mud, the AT's or the MT's? If you're thinking the AT's, then look into the MT's; they ride great on the pavement, and I've had them work well in the mud up here (it's not all that gooey, though).

[tuck]

contrary to your wishes, mud tires don't last very long. Sure, some people can squeeze miles out of them by babying them, but they are softer, and they wear out faster.

when you say that you want something more aggresive than BFG's, are you referring to BFG AT's or MT's.... because there is a substantial difference. If you want something more aggresive in the mud than a BFG MT, Buckshots will be similar, and Super Swampers will leave a grin on your face for the mud. But Swampers are not very friendly on the highway or durability scales.

[BigBadWag]

What about the Goodyear MT/R's? Every person I know that has them and even magazines sing their praises. They're also supposed to be really quiet on the road, and wear really well. They've got that aggressive, but not-too-aggressive look to them. Just a suggestion...

[talntar]

sidewinder ap is what i got put on after the lift.prety aggrasive 50 thou. miles good on hiway not to loud.in the limeted wheelin i have done i liked them.i did do some mud and was happy so far.not sure who makes them though

[waggin'ear]

I just ordered my goodyear MTR's 33x12.5 15R

from sam's today

153.33 each + 9.00 mount/balancevalve stems/free rotation and road hazard

I looked around not exhaustively, but that seemed pretty good

They have BFG MT's for 147 ea
and Uniroyal MT's for 105 ea

[tuck]

the MTR's look sweet, and if I have my drothers, they will be my next tires, in the 37" variety

[Narnian]

I was referring to the BFG AT's (it IS in my post, though hidden at the top).

I DO like the look of the BFG MT's, and I'm willing to bet they'd make me happy in the mud, but they are $163 from tirerack, and I have not found anyone locally who sells them mounted for less than $180 each. It would bug me to spend more on my truck tires than my Corvette tires.

The Dunlop Radial Rover RT's are a mere $102, and visually they have a tread that seems the best to me, but I haven't found anyone who has tried them. I was looking at the Mudders because the price is right, but I don't want to waste my money if they are junk. If they are comparable to the BFG MT's then I would probably go with them. If everyone thinks there is a big difference though, I'd rather spend the extra $45 on the Goodyear MTR's for $149 from tirerack, and have Walmart mount them for $10.00 each. The MTR's seem to be the best pattern.

[tuck]

can't you get BFG's locally at WalMart or Costco/Sam's Club?

[RamJetFSJ]

Ive got those Maxxis mudders on my rig (32s). The only reason I have them is that they were free and new. But i havent put any miles on them yet, so I dont have any input for you. I do know that they are remarkably quiet up to about 30 mph, atleast.

But I know someone who had them on another truck, and they were pretty loud, although they were very worn down, and were warn badly, like they had a bad alignment.

I dont know how they do offroad, but I guess ill find out soon... I do know that they will be replaced with 33" MTRs when they wear out! smile.gif

Check out my site for pics of how they look on a 4" lifted wag on 15x8 rims.

[dnixon]

Originally posted by Narnian:
I was referring to the BFG AT's (it IS in my post, though hidden at the top).

I DO like the look of the BFG MT's, and I'm willing to bet they'd make me happy in the mud, but they are $163 from tirerack, and I have not found anyone locally who sells them mounted for less than $180 each. It would bug me to spend more on my truck tires than my Corvette tires.

The Dunlop Radial Rover RT's are a mere $102, and visually they have a tread that seems the best to me, but I haven't found anyone who has tried them. I was looking at the Mudders because the price is right, but I don't want to waste my money if they are junk. If they are comparable to the BFG MT's then I would probably go with them. If everyone thinks there is a big difference though, I'd rather spend the extra $45 on the Goodyear MTR's for $149 from tirerack, and have Walmart mount them for $10.00 each. The MTR's seem to be the best pattern.I have heard only good things about the MTR's but I don't recall hearing anything about mud though.. mag's might have selectively left that out?? But they are supposed to wear great on the street and quiet too.. their rock performance is supposed to be one of the best around.. I am for sure putting a set 35 MTR's on my rig in the very near future.. man I sound like an ad!

[BigBadWag]

There was a tire test in Petersen's a few months back that put the MT/R's through thick gumbo mud, small rocks, and a hillclimb with loose gravel rocks. They finished fairly well and Petersen's seemed to like them. They said that the MT/R's launched the hardest in mud when you drop the clutch and that they clean out really well for a less aggressive tread pattern. They also said that the tires stick real good on rocks and did well on the loose gravel. Everything I've heard/read says they're great all around tires.

[PhilSine]

Around here, all the local forestry vehicles and off-road ready law enforcement vehicles run the MT/R's. I've always been a BFG man but that's the AT's. I have no need for anything more aggressive. I must admit, I did just buy a set of Bridgestone Duelers AT's for my wife's 96 Chero as opposed to my preference of BFG's. I only did it because her Jeep will rarely see anything more than a good snowfall and the Duelers were much cheaper. They are also a lot less aggressive but that sacrifice is rewarded by how much quieter they are on the road.

[Sundowner]

mtr's supposedly gum up badly in the east coast slime. but they're hard to argue againstas they are the price leader. you can findthe 37's for about $180/per.
I'd like to wait until the BFG Krawlers come out. At least they're doing some R&D on the east coast. Iv'e seen 2 different lug patterns come out of OK4wd as "loaners"

[Joe H.]

I have Michelin XC LT4's on my Cherokee, and while I've only done light mudding I've done *some* rock-crawly type stuff (strip mine in VA) and they performed well--didn't slip once. Whether that's due to the tire or my timid driving style, I can't tell you. They won't break the bank, and they're fairly quiet on pavement.

[talntar]

sidewinder ap
does anyone know who makes these
i was told cooper but cant find them on web site
someone also told me escort tire inc.
any thoughts are welcome

[Mike B]

I've always been a BFG guy(muds and all-terrains too),and have been happy, but decided to start trying other brands to see whats out there.
I bought the 33" MTR's because of the good rep with the rockcrawlers,puncture resistance of the sidewalls,and even though I don't see much mud I want self cleaning ability when i do see it.
So far no mud- but on the street,and in the dirt and a little rock-I'm happy and they are wearing good.
I just dug through my bathroom reading material and found the Petersens 4 wheel and off -road mag(June 2001) that has the "Massive Mud tire test"in it and was happy to see that my choice of MTR's according to their test was a good one for mud.
They took a CJ8 and mounted up 9 different sets of tires and wheels,all matched the same or as close as is available and with the same driver driving with the same technique trying to negotiate 100 ft. of nasty midwest gumbo.
They repeated the tires used early on later in the test to see if any tracks they were making in the slime were changing the fairness of the results.
They also attempted to compare the "launch" characteristics in the goo,flotation,steering,hillclimb in 2wd on muddy hill,and cleaning ability.
Usually these mag tests seem skewed to me,but it appeared they really matched everything up evenly.
Then they added up the points in all categories for a total score.

No surprise the Boggers smoked em all in the mud overall,but oddly they gave more "launching" points to the MTr's.
Boggers were the only one's to go through the total 100ft of mud.(75 ft for the SSR's,63.9 ft for the MTR's,59.7ft TSL's and so on..

2nd place overall was swamper SSR radials(beat the TSL's)They were as surprised as I was that they beat the TSL's

3rd was the MTR's
4th TSL's
5th Gumbo mudders
6th BFG mud's
7th M/T Baja Claws
8th Procomp muds
10th Yoko geolander muds

Of course,not all mud is the same,but I'll probably be sticking with the MTR's when I go to bigger tires.
They are a great tire.

Mike B

[Stuka]

I am bit late but I will pop in. Cooper STT's have a better lug patern thenn BFG MT's, they arent as loud, they last WAY longer...and are cheaper. I consider the tire to be better made as well. With BFG you pay for the name. You may wanna look at Pro Comp MT's as well...they are made by Cooper. I have had my coopers in snow, mud, dirt, rock, loose terrain of mixed rock/shale/dirt and they have done very well. I will take them any day of the week over a BFG. I have seen people here get 50k out of them and they still have tread when they get new ones.

Here is the site on them --> http://coopertire.com/tire_cooper/ltsuv.asp?id=28

[Narnian]

Originally posted by Stuka:
...and are cheaper. http://coopertire.com/tire_cooper/ltsuv.asp?id=28How much are they?

[Marvin Gates]

Im planning on using the Cooper ST's 33X12.5X16.5 on my J20 $137 a piece. I like the design, they are computer designed for ice and hard pack snow. Where I live we have quite a bit of hard pack snow so thats something Im looking for. I have Cooper AT's on my Wag and really like them. MG :D :D :D

[Bombadier]

Coopers are really good tires all around, long lasting good, for almost any application..... Almost every good-ole boy and farmer up in MI had Coopers on his truck.....
Personally, i like my 31" Armstrong ATs, the lugs are pretty thick, with good water shedding, and they don't hum too loud..... just enough to sound cool..... smile.gif

[ October 31, 2002, 02:23 AM: Message edited by: Bombadier ]

[Stuka]

I pad 480 total out the door for mounting, computer balancing (they dont need many weights either), and getting rid of my old tires. So 120 each for a 31x10.50... I love them.

Here is a list of all their LT tires:

http://coopertire.com/tire_cooper/ltsuv.html

The Discover radials are a good all-terrain tire as well.

Heres another cool tire by them:

http://coopertire.com/tire_cooper/ltsuv.asp?id=49

I would cut out some of the center tread..but NICE outer lug design.

[ October 31, 2002, 08:24 AM: Message edited by: Stuka ]