if you own an old jeep stay out of maine

[westcoastflea]

maine just came out with the revised inspection laws for the state.

put together by a group that included service station owners and the state police
can you imagine??:rolleyes:

new revisions include the following "to keep drivers of old jalopies from going station to station in search of a mechanic that will pass them now when a vehicle is taken to station for an inspection and it fails the mechanic takes off HALF the sticker. "thereby notifying the police that this vehicle has SERIOUS issues<P>:eek:

what a condescending piece of bullGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley Moogley that statement is. id like to whup the as*hole that came up with that one.

so not only are we forced to get an inspection yearly at for profit service stations, now when we suspect that we are being conned into more work then is needed we no longer have the option to get a second opinion.:mad:

why do i feel like the service station owners really pushed that thru?

they all complain about having to do 12.50 inspections ,so my guess is this is a great way for them to have even more power to try to push even more unneeded repairs onto unsuspecting motorists because....... if you dont let them do the work for you right there you have to drive away with half your sticker torn off showing police that you are FULLY aware of the dangerous vehicle you are driving.

anyone know a good lawyer to fight this thing?
this cant be legal
even with a dentist and doctor you can get a second opinion and if they are doing something shady you can make a complaint.

here in the state of maine forget it, the person you complain to works for the state police.:mad:

3% of maines motor vehicle accidents last year were caused by mechanical defects.
thats right a whopping 3%
thats accidents not fatalities.
what were the other 97%?

so maines decided to tighten the laws even further spending who knows how much of the taxpayers money on this piece of horse sh**. revision
maybe well get the percentage down next year to 2 3/4%
whoopee at what cost to the people in the state?

they even have state police going around like 15 times to different towns to talk about the revisions. at what cost per hour id like to know.

how much do you think all of this cost every person in the state who pays taxes?

one new revision i really like this one.......
the little thing that squirts water on your windows has to work, like my squirt bottle of drinking water aimed out the drivers window just doesnt cut it anymore.... strange it works just fine for me. :D

you would think these as*holes would be ashamed to even have that one printed in the paper.

so you get your inspection and your little squirt thingie doesnt work

so they tear off half your sticker and send you down the road into the arms of the law who will stop you because YOU ARE DRIVING A VEHICLE WITH SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUES.

its like a conspiracy,

the news coverage is totally slanted towards the line the state is taking.
how do you get something like this stopped?

needless to say im on month 3 of no driving thanks to maines idiotic law and inability to control the stations that do the inspections.
:banghead:

someone needs to sue the hell out of the as*holes
anyone want to volunteer?

[bigun]

Start a campaign against the politicians who voted for it!

[Jeep_Guy]

hate to say it but, it sounds like the only reasonable solution is to leave maine if you can :(

[billyrb]

I think it's a conspiracy. Probably concocted by the same people that have been hiding the aliens from us all these years! WE'VE BEEN HOODWINKED!!!! HOODWINKED, I TELL YA! ;)

[starlifter]

Liberalism....:eek: Trust them they know whats best for your ride :cool:

[drlocke]

This is what happens when the laws are written by those that can afford to go out and buy a brand new car when their "old" one is due for its first oil change.

I guess I'd have to say that Maine has diverged from its Yankee values and no longer supports the philosophy of "fix the old, make it do, wear it out."

I fear that Maine, in its proximity to Boston, the "breast" where such legal "cancer" started, has succumbed to the malaise. I'm just hoping this disease doesn't metastasize into my realm--although I fear that all too soon I may be using my Waggy as a lawn ornament as well. :(

I guess your choice at this point is a new car or a new state.

[78J10honcho]

:( how sad it is to see the government supposedly of the people and by the people slowly taking away the people's rights, usually we don't like the see yankees move into our state, but for an FSJ owner we will gladly make an exception

[andy d]

uhhmn, I agree that government is trying to legislate older vehicles off the road. This isnt just a MA phenomonen. But, whether a car passes or fails, is a personal choice of the inspector. I'm sure if I ever pissed off the guy who inspects my fleet, the cars would never pass. And on occasion, some of them shouldnt. Its not good when brakes fail or tie rods let go. Or CO from a leaky exhaust seeps through rusty floorboards. An older vehicle will pass inspection, if it has been properly maintained. That gets harder to do as a car ages. Maintenance is key. In talking to folks from all over the country, I am amazed that some states dont even have safety inspections. Entropy happens, not every driver realizes that that shimmy is a tie rod ready to pop, or that having to pump up a brake pedal isnt a good sign.

[drlocke]

I agree that safety issues should be addressed, and that death traps not be permitted legal travel on the highways and byways, but this guy appears to be at least trying to address any issues with his car, and has been given the runaround by the inspection people. They should give him a COMPLETE list of the safety faults, have him address those faults with an approved mechanic, and then for God's sake give him his sticker. End of story. But according to his anecdote in a previous thread they give him some homework and then he goes back thinking he's completed the job and they hand him some more.

This just aint right.

[64deville]

Why cant you drive for 3 months? You just mean the Wagoneer or anything?

Iowa does not have inspections yet and I don't think my 72 would pass for a number of reasons.

I remember WV had strict inspections one condition being a rust hole that you could stick your finger thru would fail a car. I also remember that a few people I knew would register their beaters in other states with no inspection laws under a relatives name. Don't know the specifics but that got them by.

[Gambler68]

There's no way in court they could sit there and say that you HAVE to get the vehicle fixed at the place that failed it. That's a conflict of interests, having the people that are in charge of inspections fixing things they find wrong, or failing you?! Funny how they do things like that just AFTER election time, when the public can't do anything for another couple years to show their distaste.

In SW CO, you can register a donkey on rollerskates as long as you're only getting liability coverage, otherwise there is NO safety inspection.

Now, if you're an idiot like me who buys a hot rod project SANS title, then you have to..get this..Have it *completely* roadworthy BEFORE you can apply for title..bring it TO the DMV on a trailer..THEN he take the first 'look' at it and tell you if you can apply for a title. Wanna talk about discouraging..:(


ayup, kahnt git der frum hyaar!

[backpack09]

I agree that them not letting you goto a second station is a bit of a scam. In Mass, you pay the guy your 30$. If he fails you, you can bring the car back to him fixed and he will give you your sticker free. If you chose to goto another inspector, You have to fork over another 30$.

But they are trying to keep unsafe vehicles off the road. They are not telling you that you must goto that garage and have them repair your vehicle. You are still free to get it repaired wherever you feel like.

I dont know how thorough your inspections are up there. But here in Taxachussetts, they check all your lighting, check your wipers (and sprayers) check your bjs and tie rods, check your bearings, check your tires, look for any visible holes in the side of the vehicle, make sure you have a plate front and rear. ... That is safety. The emissions tests we we must bend over for is another test of patience. This last go round it took me 6 different shops to find one that would even strap the Jeep to the dyno.

[Subconscious]

Here in SC, they did away with vehicle inspections. It used to be, you could go to just about any service station, tell them you'd need an inspection, and the guy would go out, scrape off the old sticker, put the new one on, then you'd pay $4 and you'd be on your way. Since the service stations made no $$$ on it, they wouldn't waste their time with it.

No inspections at all now, no smog, nothing :D

[drlocke]

I never have any trouble passing emissions in this Commondearth with my Waggy; it does it all the time from the first twist of the key.

[backpack09]

I never have any trouble passing emissions in this Commondearth with my Waggy; it does it all the time from the first twist of the key.

Well out towards the coast :) most of the shops won't or don't know how to strap the beast to the dyno, so they tell me their machine is down.

My brother is inspector at the Mazda dealer in norwood. He says that can't be true or the state would have shut them down as inspectors, or had their machines back up and running next day.

[fullsizejohn]

I lived in maine back in the 80's. From what i remember they need to fix the frostheeve in the roads. Geeez!

Here in VA, the folks who take advantage of the laws are going to cause the same to happen here one day. Here if you have an "antique" (25 years or older)vehicle you can run an antique tag that requires no inspection if you follow the guidelines:driving it for maintainance,driving it monthly for upkeep, driving it to and from parades and such and a yearly long trip to keep it working properly.
The problem is every body and his brother with a 25 year old junker is getting the tag and driving such to and from work,shopping and all other normal driving. Slick tires,busted windshields and i would hate to see the brakes or steering. I figure its just a matter of time now before this law gets changed. Think about it, a 1982 dodge volare station wagon will be an "antique" in a few weeks.
I run antique tags on my 77 jc and will on my j-10 but I make sure its safe, everything works and neither is my DD.

Good luck in maine. I remeber the morning i decided to leave it was 22 degrees below zero. No not windchill, 22 DEGREES BELOW ZERO.:eek:

[Hunter Green 91]

I dont know how thorough your inspections are up there. But here in Taxachussetts, they check all your lighting, check your wipers (and sprayers) check your bjs and tie rods, check your bearings, check your tires, look for any visible holes in the side of the vehicle, make sure you have a plate front and rear. ... That is safety.

I agree. Here they inspect all vehicles for safety and only back to 1996 for emissions. (My county has no emissions testing...Yet.) Looks like Maine found a backdoor way to keep old "polluters" off the road.

I try to keep everything functional on my GW (hard to do) so the inspectors know at least you are trying to maintain it properly. Couldn't hurt.

[drlocke]

Well out towards the coast :) most of the shops won't or don't know how to strap the beast to the dyno, so they tell me their machine is down.

My brother is inspector at the Mazda dealer in norwood. He says that can't be true or the state would have shut them down as inspectors, or had their machines back up and running next day.

Out here a station I go to with a two-wheel dyno sez there's an alternate emissions test they do on the AWD vehicles that doesn't involve the treadmill.

[AZJon]

so not only are we forced to get an inspection yearly at for profit service stations, now when we suspect that we are being conned into more work then is needed we no longer have the option to get a second opinion.:mad:

That's just wrong. I agree with Gambler68 on that one. Seems like a definite conflict of interest.

Good luck and keep warm up there.

[bigun]

NM dropped the safety inspection years ago simply because everybody in highschool had a buddy that would hook you up!

[Kali]

Oh man I didnt know inspections were so thorough in the surrounding states!

Here in "Live free or die" New Hampshire pretty much anything goes for emissions exempt vehicles (I think 96 is the cutoff). I have yet to have any of my Jeeps get anything more than a "do the lights work" test. My father has even registered vehicles that werent present. Just handed the guy the registration and mileage and the guy wrote him up a sticker. Granted we had been getting stickers from that guy for a while... but the car wasnt even there!

[joe]

Sorta reeks of a Kennedy's/MA/new englanders plot to get their summer playground cleand up...at your expense of course.
Shhh...is that the sound of politics/money being exchanged in the background?

[Casey]

Inspections...what are they? :D

[westcoastflea]

dr locke expresses my feelings completely

in fact that sort idea is what i expressed in an email to the governor, along with the fact that im a 43 year old woman who still doesnt have her firewood cut and split since she cant drive her jeep due to the inability of the state to monitor its stations,
, the fact that i buy and sell for a living and cant if i cant drive and have in fact sold all my possessions that people will buy except my bed at this point, because the state has made a law but doesnt make sure its being followed correctly by the service stations. i dont whine i dont ask for help and in fact its people like me who settled this country and im da*ned proud of it.
governor probably thinks im insane:D
told him he should be aware of this problem and that if he wasnt shame on him
and if he was?? double shame.

i work way too hard to be treated like Great Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley Moogley by the government which is supported by my hard earned wages.

i dont want a new vehicle and i have a right to drive my vehicle as long as it is not a hazard to other motorists

maine thinks differently.

3% of all accidents in a year due to mechanical failure is very low and that seems to be the point that is being missed.

maine is a poor state and perhaps the people here cant afford the absolute ideal when it comes to transportation but you know people like me just really arent very important in the scheme of things so if we protest we are just ignored.

its like dental care dentists here charge on average 500.00 per hour they wont fill a cavity unless you cough up 300.00 for an exam and full exrays because filling a cavity is not "ideal" care.


well its not an ideal world is it?



when im told one week that the right tie rod is gone (by the same station that 2 months before said nothing about the tie rod and the vehicle sat in my driveway for those 2 months while i worked on it) and when i question it im told not to come back thats a problem.

then when i take it to another station a week later im told that now its the left axle joint thats bad and nothing is said about the right inner tie rod thats a real problem

when i see on the same list from the new station possible bondo on frame?? i really start to get pissed.

i dropped the gas tank this summer sanded down frame used eastwood paint and then undercoated somehow that translated to possible bondo on frame??

the things the state is dealing with are not safety issues like bald tires etc they are things like windshield squirties, glove box doors not shutting excessive pressure to make horn blow,

one revision to the law was brake pads going from 1/32 to 2/32 .

i do a lot of work on my jeep and the state needs to back off, it needs to be concerned with items that are true safety hazards not "hey joe come here do you think there might be the slightest teeniest little wiggle in the tie rod or is it my imagination here"?

or a tire that is almost to the wear indicator but not bald.

whatever happened to the spirit americans used to have?
remember the boston tea party?

ah well soon as i can catch my breath from scrambling to sell and ship to pay rent i have to take my jeep to another station for yet another inspection.
wish me luck.:)

if you hear the state house was blown up dont tell anyone it was me ok?:D

[joe]

whatever happened to the spirit americans used to have?
remember the boston tea party?
The bleeding heart liberals bought it lock stock and barrel and morphed/spun it into "we're doing this for your own good."

As I said in your other thread, I've been to ME. Pretty, lotsa green trees and a beautiful coast but...The good ol'US of A has 3 rather large coasts(and w/o the horrible winters) and I could live w/o that little chunk up in ME.
If it were me I'd be busy packing up boxes even if I had to sneak out of ME in the dead of night running an uninspected illegal vehicle.

Will the last person leaving ME please turn off the lights......

[drlocke]

"im a 43 year old woman"

Sorry if I had the gender wrong in my little mini rant.... :o I have the uncomfortable feeling that those boys at the inspection station are giving you the "treatment", and unfortunately--even in today's world--there are still some idiots out there like that. They think that you don't know diddly and that they can get away with this [manure]. Or they're trying to "protect" you is another possibility.... Either way they're showing a complete lack of respect for you.

If anybody pulled that stunt on any of my friends they'd find themselves later picking epoxy out of a number of cylinders in their most cherished car.

[westcoastflea]

"im a 43 year old woman"

Sorry if I had the gender wrong in my little mini rant.... :o I have the uncomfortable feeling that those boys at the inspection station are giving you the "treatment", and unfortunately--even in today's world--there are still some idiots out there like that. They think that you don't know diddly and that they can get away with this [manure]. Or they're trying to "protect" you is another possibility.... Either way they're showing a complete lack of respect for you.

yeah you know lack of respect can be difficult, in my area however respect or lack thereof is based on income.

if you have it people kiss a*s cause they want some of it.
if you dont well......

as far as the attitude of these guys goes not sure ...
i dont do the mini skirt high heel im so stupid everyone has to help me thing.

when the jeep is on the side of the road on a steep slant and the starters gone and you have to get under there with a shovel to dig a hole deep enough to let you slide under and change it out my experience has been that a mini skirt is more of a hindrance then a help

anyone else find that to be true?:p

and when the fan goes into the radiator that 6 mile walk home is a killer with spikes.

so i decided if i was going to be a real jeep owner i better start dressing the part.

maybe thats the problem:eek:

i guess i should pull out the mini and spikes for the next inspection:D

might work then again at my age maybe not.:cool:

.

anytime you want to come to maine feel free
ive got a long list
hope you have lots of expoxy

[Carl Rasmussen]

Hey I know this might seem a weird thing to say but have you taken it to th Jeep dealer for inpection? they will be held to a higher standard and if they give to a problem you can go to thier corporate office and complan. They want to sell cars and a bad rap is bad for them.

[drlocke]

yeah you know lack of respect can be difficult, in my area however respect or lack thereof is based on income.

if you have it people kiss a*s cause they want some of it.
if you dont well......

as far as the attitude of these guys goes not sure ...
i dont do the mini skirt high heel im so stupid everyone has to help me thing.

when the jeep is on the side of the road on a steep slant and the starters gone and you have to get under there with a shovel to dig a hole deep enough to let you slide under and change it out my experience has been that a mini skirt is more of a hindrance then a help

anyone else find that to be true?:p

and when the fan goes into the radiator that 6 mile walk home is a killer with spikes.

so i decided if i was going to be a real jeep owner i better start dressing the part.

maybe thats the problem:eek:

i guess i should pull out the mini and spikes for the next inspection:D

might work then again at my age maybe not.:cool:

.

anytime you want to come to maine feel free
ive got a long list
hope you have lots of expoxy

I'm gettin' too old for such shenanegans in sabboing peoples engines.

As for the "spikes" and mini I have to say"

1) Those guys that would need you to wear them have a poor imagination...

2) They are of no danger to you unless they got a boatload of Viagra....

3) I myself have a lot more respect for you in that you are dressing more practically for the situation.

Spike heels and mini skirts may have worked well in the '60s and '70s FSJ ads. But in the aggregate you and I--and all of us other FSJ owners know full well that the teeny-bopper style and the vehicle do not mix well.

I think you're getting a bum rap here.

I'm sure there are a numbere of women's advocate organisations that would be happy to hear from you about these louts, and that are apt to deal with such acts of discrimination. They'll likely eat the bahstids for breakfast. Something you should consider.

If these inspections dudes were to try this crap with my mom....all I would say in that case is may God help them.

And it wouldn't involve me and any methods of sabotage.

Or my little sister.

Neither of these women are ones a narcissistic mechanic should fool with. Trust me on this.

The other tactic you might take is to give up the fight and have a man friend take your car on repair plates or a trailer up north quite a ways into the state, and get your sticker for you from up there from folks that don't know either of you. Might be an easier place the further away from Kittery or Augusta you get.

I cannot imagine this BS going on in Aroostook Cty. In your last thread on this I said I'd contact a friend that was stationed at Loring AFB. I did. And got a response from him that he couldn't believe that this was going on....

Gotta be some way around this.....

The motto here is "Don't get mad--Get Even!"

[DanHS]

Any relatives in other states? This seems like the kind of scenario where that's the best solution, get the Jeep inspected and registered out of state and drive it around there and they can't really touch you. kind of a hassle, but it's better than being forced into another car, that will probablt get you the same BS anyway. Other than that, go talk to people and see if you can find a station that knows not to BS people all the time. Normally pulling that kind of crap kills of business, but with the stupid laws you quoted earlier, they can benefit from it. All these laws go back to people trying to make money, some policticians say they're making things safer and helping the environment to get support, and the shops that make money support them too. Otherwise they wouldn't care at all. The shop I go to will pass anything so long as the lights work and the brakes are good and nothing is falling off or broken. They didn't care about rust on the bosy, they didn't even care about an exhaust leak on my Mustang. I was surprised they passed the Jeep without back up lights, which kind of annoyed me because I traced the wires to a simple connector that had come undone and just had to be cleaned and plugged back together. Anyways, good luck.

[grand_wag_85]

Here's a thought, get a PO or private mailbox out of state at someplace like the UPS store then register the truck in said state. RV'ers do it all the time, ever notice that they're all from Montana:cool:

[grand_wag_85]

...the teeny-bopper style and the vehicle do not mix well.


Just the other day when I got dragged along 'shopping' my GF pointed out an add poster in JCPenny of some rather good looking gals on the tailgate of a Grand Waggy. Maybe the GW's more cut out for it than an M715:huh:

[h2opolokeeper]

Well this will put me at total disorey!! Me being 17 living in Florida right now with a 87 wagoneer and im moving to Eliot Maine in February. Plus being in the middle of fixing all these little things as they come along and hopeing to restore it to its original glory. Though right now its still the $600 wagon i picked up with the only thing that is in good shape is the wiring for my dad and i just rewired the whole vechile. Any tips for when i get up there?

[OBX-AUTOMOTIVE]

OH!!...GEEE LIFE IS A BEACH!!...IN THE EARLY SIXTYS, IN GOOD OLD PA,YOU HAD TO GET YOUR INSPECTION EVERY 6 MONTHS AND WHEN YOU PULLED YOUR CAR INTO THE INSPECTION GARAGE,THE FIRST THING THEY WOULD DOOOOOOOOOOOOO,IS SCRAP YOUR STICKER OFF,THEN INSPECT YOUR CAR!....AND IF YOU HAD A RUST HOLE ANY BIGGER THAN A QURTER ,YOUR CAR DID NOT PASS!......:drivin: :drivin: :drivin: :)

[OBX-AUTOMOTIVE]

OH!!!!!!!!!!....ONE OTHER THING ..>>> NO STP STICKERS ON THE QUARTER GLASS!!!!:lol: :drivin: :drivin: :D :)

[medinajim2000]

Is it time for a great class-action attorney yet? :eek:

[westcoastflea]

If these inspections dudes were to try this crap with my mom....all I would say in that case is may God help them.

And it wouldn't involve me and any methods of sabotage.

Or my little sister.

Neither of these women are ones a narcissistic mechanic should fool with. Trust me on this.



The other tactic you might take is to give up the fight and have a man friend take your car on repair plates or a trailer up north quite a ways into the state, and get your sticker for you from up there from folks that don't know either of you. Might be an easier place the further away from Kittery or Augusta you get.

I cannot imagine this BS going on in Aroostook Cty. In your last thread on this I said I'd contact a friend that was stationed at Loring AFB. I did. And got a response from him that he couldn't believe that this was going on....

Gotta be some way around this.....

The motto here is "Don't get mad--Get Even!"

i wasnt too happy when i got the second list from the guy he's the owner and always has a little smirk on his face
the secretaries finally ended up closing the office door cause i got a bit too loud.
everytime i asked why the things on the list which have been strange thru 3 inspections and passed werent pointed out he just said" i cant answer that" i finally got tired of the smirk told him id been stuck at home for 45 days working on jeep, i did the drum brakes put on front brake pads new brake lines, etc etc, i had firewood to cut split and load and if he thought this was some kind of joke he was some kind of sick human being.really caused a scene.
then i walked out and sat in jeep and bawled, while watching the passenger window he said didnt work go up and down 25 times in a row.

you spend 45 days every day in the light working on it cant go anywhere then go in at night work til 1am to make money get up do it again the days start to blend together its really like the twilight zone, pretty soon its like ok just this much more and finally i can drive. then you dont get a sticker.
that was tough.:mad:

it wouldnt start cause i was out of gas, i was so worried about getting there on time i just didnt pay attention to gas, so spent the next hour walking down a busy street with a gas can back and forth crying the whole time.
fairly humiliating as ive been in many situations that werent pleasant with the jeep and i dont cry about it.

i could have turned him in as i found out later he doesnt have a license to inspect motor vehicles but thought about it and realized what goes around comes around and what would be the point? id be as bad as he is.
maybe i scored a point on the cosmic karma chart, dont know.

no men friends to lend help, if there were i dont think id ask anyway.

im going to try a place out in gray, thats country, my sons friend said he used to work there and the guy would put stickers on anything.

my jeep isnt just anything,:cool: theres nothing wrong with it but at this point beggars cant be choosers i guess:o

i just have to try to hang on til its an antique.
meanwhile i now have a vehicle to use client i finally called to say i hadnt been able to drive and hadnt forgotten her is letting me use her 2002 grand cherokee :thumbsup: she has like 5 cars so hopefully i will be able to use this til i can get the other inspected.

but yes i had been thinking something like out in the sticks where there are more people who dont have high incomes might be better.

meanwhile what i need is a reporter on the press herald to do a big article about the inspection system take the jeep to 15 different stations and keep the lists of items to fix then point out how bad the inspection system is since none of the stations lists will match.
find out tax dollars spent by state on the whole revision thing how many service station owners and state police were on the advisory board and
how many regular joes were on it too.

get figures on accident rates before maines inspection system, average cost per vehicle for "needed repairs" to get a sticker, balanced against noninspection accident rates vs inspection accident rates
etc etc

would be quite an eye opener i think

[westcoastflea]

Normally pulling that kind of crap kills of business, but with the stupid laws you quoted earlier, they can benefit from it. All these laws go back to people trying to make money, some policticians say they're making things safer and helping the environment to get support, and the shops that make money support them too. Otherwise they wouldn't care at all.

yes and thats why the new revision to the inspection law really pi**es me off.

they are trying to say it will keep jalopy owners from going station to station looking for a dishonest mechanic to get a sticker from which of course the average citizen when he reads that applauds.

in reality it gives the station owners even more leverage when it comes to making unneeded repairs, who wants to drive around with a sticker ripped in half to try and get a second opinion from another station?

according to the state police the sticker ripped in half gives police officers a heads up that a dangerous vehicle is on the roads.

if you can be failed for a glove box door not shutting or wiper squirtee not working how does that equate to a dangerous vehicle?

it doesnt
but boy that quote certainly reassures the public that the new revision was a good thing doesnt it?

people are sooooo stupid.

id like to try the whole register out of state inspection thing not sure how to go about it

[drlocke]

.....
id like to try the whole register out of state inspection thing not sure how to go about it

Not sure myself, but if you do figure it out you might want to consider lenient NH. Having a second address there as well as in ME would look credible. May be as simple as getting a PO Box in Concord.....

[westcoastflea]

Well this will put me at total disorey!! Me being 17 living in Florida right now with a 87 wagoneer and im moving to Eliot Maine in February. Plus being in the middle of fixing all these little things as they come along and hopeing to restore it to its original glory. Though right now its still the $600 wagon i picked up with the only thing that is in good shape is the wiring for my dad and i just rewired the whole vechile. Any tips for when i get up there?

dont move.

maybe elliot wont be so bad.

basically everything on the vehicle has to work, things that have nothing do to do with protecting the safety of other motorists are looked at.

i can tell you some of the stupid things i got written up for:

"excessive pressure to make horn blow"

when using turn signals "both the little lights on the instrument cluster would flash"

"idiot light for brakes didnt work"

"window too slow when going up or down"

"no inner door panels"

i used screws to put the roof of the 84 into the cargo bed of the 85 to deal with some rust, has to be rivets or welded.

windshield wiper squirtee has to work

"glove box door has to shut"

if you go on line look up maine state inspection there will be an inspection manual you can look at. unfortunately as the state police have told me the manual and rules are open to interpretation by any tech doing the inspection
therefore when the manual says
the horn must be affixed in one place,
readily accessible by driver
and in working condition
that can can be translated to "excessive pressure needed to make horn blow" causing you to fail.

and thats the gist of the whole problem.

mechanics individual translation of the rules.

if something is even the slightest bit less the perfect, well if they write you up for it the shop makes money.

you sure you want to move here?:confused:

good luck:thumbsup:

[westcoastflea]

Is it time for a great class-action attorney yet? :eek:

thats too funny i just read the king of torts last night by john grisham
all about a class- action attorney

im not sue happy but ill tell you if any lawyer wanted to have me for a client against the state of maine id more than happy to oblige.

if something is really wrong someone has to stand up and say so.

comes a point where if a law is made the state has to see that it is being carried out correctly and they are not.

i think maine wants inspections,

feels it cant afford state owned stations,

so it is compromising with the service station owners to give them more power to make more repairs
as a way of compensating them for the 30 minutes they spend on an inspection to make 12.50.
thats all i can figure.

what better way to coerce people into repairs at that particular station then to rip off half their stickers to keep them from getting another opinion at a different station?

the second station i took it too when i questioned them about the difference on their list from the first station the guy said something about "thats the problem with going from one station to another" as in it shouldnt be allowed to happen.


i think everyone in the state should scrape off their stickers and quit paying registration fees.
and stop wearing seatbelts.

anyone know a good lawyer who does stuff like this for free?:D

[bigun]

Who is the controlling authority for the state? I know for electrical inspections the inspector can only look at those things for which a correction notice was issued not anything else.

[h2opolokeeper]

I have no choice i have to move!! Im not getting rid of my waggy for some stupid state inspection so i guess it will give me more of a motivation to get the stuff fixed. Now is there a problem with the no headliner issue and and a back door that does not like to close all the way?

Thanx

[tjsean0308]

Not sure myself, but if you do figure it out you might want to consider lenient NH. Having a second address there as well as in ME would look credible. May be as simple as getting a PO Box in Concord.....

becarefull with this. in rhode island you have to have your vehicle insured before you can register it. so if you say that it lives in N.H. but it really lives in maine than you could be on the hook for insurance fraud. just something to think about. someone I know tried to do that in townsend Ma. he registerd and insured his car in N.H cause the insurance rates were cheaper and for the more leanant inspection laws. he ended up with a big fine and some other kind of horse****.

and on a side note I deffentitly can't move to maine. I just got my j-10 inspected here in R.I. no inner door panels big rust holes in bed power steering pump is shot and the tires are a little on the dry rot side. (not terrible but they could have given me trouble) and thats not even the emissions they performed the two speed Idle test ( thats what they do for AWD vehicles inlue of the dyno) and it blew 2000 ppm higher than the limit on both CO and hydrocarbons. porbably because the carb needs work and the smog pump is not even hooked up and who knows what the egr is doing. In R.I. any vehicle over 25 years old (registerd antique or not) is emissions exempt. :thumbsup: thank god.


good luck with maine and keep us posted

[drlocke]

becarefull with this. in rhode island you have to have your vehicle insured before you can register it. so if you say that it lives in N.H. but it really lives in maine than you could be on the hook for insurance fraud. just something to think about. someone I know tried to do that in townsend Ma. he registerd and insured his car in N.H cause the insurance rates were cheaper and for the more leanant inspection laws. he ended up with a big fine and some other kind of horse****.

and on a side note I deffentitly can't move to maine. I just got my j-10 inspected here in R.I. no inner door panels big rust holes in bed power steering pump is shot and the tires are a little on the dry rot side. (not terrible but they could have given me trouble) and thats not even the emissions they performed the two speed Idle test ( thats what they do for AWD vehicles inlue of the dyno) and it blew 2000 ppm higher than the limit on both CO and hydrocarbons. porbably because the carb needs work and the smog pump is not even hooked up and who knows what the egr is doing. In R.I. any vehicle over 25 years old (registerd antique or not) is emissions exempt. :thumbsup: thank god.


good luck with maine and keep us posted

LOL I knew a lot of people living here in MA back in the '70s who had NH tags because there was no way they could afford MA usurious insurance rates. Don't see many like that any more, and all those people I knew.....now live in NH. BTW MA is the only state in the Union where the state officials set the insurance rates. This is likely why a number of insurance companies are probably not able to serve car owners in the Commondearth.

[andy d]

WCF, some battles arent worth fighting. You have encountered an A-Hole. Prolly isnt the 1st, wont be the last. Dont waste any energy on the wretch. Ask around, find a more reasonable outfit. As for the glove box, screw it shut. Make inside panels out of card board and duct tape. Dunno about ME. but Ive driven with an expired/reject/ no sticker, for months at a time with no issues. Just because in your mind, it sticks out like a sore thumb, doesnt mean it is really that noticeable to the world at large. Devote your energies to keeping yourself warm . If you need trivial items like working windshield squirters, sing out, Ive got the bits and willl mail them to you.

[westcoastflea]

I have no choice i have to move!! Im not getting rid of my waggy for some stupid state inspection so i guess it will give me more of a motivation to get the stuff fixed. Now is there a problem with the no headliner issue and and a back door that does not like to close all the way?

Thanx

hi i dont have a headliner in mine and that hasnt been an issue at two different stations.
however no inner door panels was never an issue for one inspection station i used but at another it was, so hard to say.

im not sure about the back door not closing all the way i know at one station they opened my drivers door then jiggled it up and down said there was too much play and I needed to replace hinges.

thats the problem

THERE IS NO set standard for inspections here every station just does what it wants.

[westcoastflea]

Who is the controlling authority for the state? I know for electrical inspections the inspector can only look at those things for which a correction notice was issued not anything else.

HI my understanding and the official word is that if you have any issue with an inspection station you go to the state police:eek:

they of course are the ones that are trying to push thru the things like windshield wiper squirties etc etc.:cool:

so dont think they would be much help would they?

i emailed the gov does that count?

[westcoastflea]

becarefull with this. in rhode island you have to have your vehicle insured before you can register it. so if you say that it lives in N.H. but it really lives in maine than you could be on the hook for insurance fraud. just something to think about. someone I know tried to do that in townsend Ma. he registerd and insured his car in N.H cause the insurance rates were cheaper and for the more leanant inspection laws. he ended up with a big fine and some other kind of horse****.




that was the kind of thing i was wondering about with registering out of state

seems like between inspection registration insurance etc they would figure it out at some point

seems like being an outlaw is getting harder and harder these days.:D

[westcoastflea]

LOL I knew a lot of people living here in MA back in the '70s who had NH tags because there was no way they could afford MA usurious insurance rates. Don't see many like that any more, and all those people I knew.....now live in NH. BTW MA is the only state in the Union where the state officials set the insurance rates. This is likely why a number of insurance companies are probably not able to serve car owners in the Commondearth.

car insurance companies are another one
seems like rates should be based primarily on good driving record right?

nope one company wanted to see my DIVORCE DECREE before i could get a discount on car insurance.
my daughter crashed my jeep into a building about 6 years ago

took literally months of fighting with the insurance company before i could get the funds to fix, they tried to say it was total loss with 2,000 in damage and it was only worth 1,800. i had just paid 3,500 for it not too long before.
said at one point even if i didnt accept the money they would take the jeep anyway.:eek:
told them theyd have to get past my shotgun first:D

finally they agreed to settle only if i sent them the title and they would send back a salvage title.

any idea how many thousands of dollars i paid extra in car insurance over the next few years because i didnt realize a salvage title would cause many companies not to want to insure jeep?

thats the great job the state of maine does when it comes to monitoring insurance companies.

think im going to move to alaska or something the whole dam*ed system really is beginning to bother me.

[westcoastflea]

WCF, some battles arent worth fighting. You have encountered an A-Hole. Prolly isnt the 1st, wont be the last. Dont waste any energy on the wretch. Ask around, find a more reasonable outfit. As for the glove box, screw it shut. Make inside panels out of card board and duct tape. Dunno about ME. but Ive driven with an expired/reject/ no sticker, for months at a time with no issues. Just because in your mind, it sticks out like a sore thumb, doesnt mean it is really that noticeable to the world at large. Devote your energies to keeping yourself warm . If you need trivial items like working windshield squirters, sing out, Ive got the bits and willl mail them to you.

hi there major character flaw, i know.

must be the cherokee blood
you know face an army of 10,000 with a band of 6 and you still go down fighting?

im just really pissed at what the state is allowing to happen.
its wrong


and there seems to be no way to bring attention to the problem

i actually bought an 84 last year since the interior was mint and i wanted to put all the parts in my jeep

sold most on ebay this month to pay bills.:(
every packed a back seat to ship?
thats the next job.

i do have the interior door panels as they didnt seem to sell

seems a shame really to put in my jeep since im usually wet,muddy, dirty or filling it with firewood, id just end up ruining them.

i had wanted to make some and coat with rhino lining as i want the whole interior to be wash and wear.

the problem of course is finding the time.

wonder if i can rhino line seats?:D

i had just about finished items on the first list for inspection when i was pulled over and got a ticket for expired inspection sticker, :mad:
got the seat belt one too,:mad: from a cop in my town, we have WAAYY too many cops here, they have nothing better to do then check out stickers and seatbelts, and im the only one with a jeep wagoneer so you know theyll be watching for me.:mad:

if i drive again with expired sticker they will tow the jeep.:eek:

ive never dealt with the squirtie thing my water bottle with squirt top always worked fine for me
i think the 84 has one, i imagine whatever it is that makes it squirt is working.

i just need to tighten e brake i think when i put on drum brakes i loosened it too much,
even trivial things seem to take huge amounts of time to do :banghead: and time is one thing i dont have enough of, literally.

its christmas and ill be working, guess that sums it up:D.

so thank you very much for offer of parts :thumbsup:

im hoping the 84 has everything i need if not though, i know who to reach:D

[Casey]

becarefull with this. in rhode island you have to have your vehicle insured before you can register it. so if you say that it lives in N.H. but it really lives in maine than you could be on the hook for insurance fraud. just something to think about. someone I know tried to do that in townsend Ma. he registerd and insured his car in N.H cause the insurance rates were cheaper and for the more leanant inspection laws. he ended up with a big fine and some other kind of horse****.

and on a side note I deffentitly can't move to maine. I just got my j-10 inspected here in R.I. no inner door panels big rust holes in bed power steering pump is shot and the tires are a little on the dry rot side. (not terrible but they could have given me trouble) and thats not even the emissions they performed the two speed Idle test ( thats what they do for AWD vehicles inlue of the dyno) and it blew 2000 ppm higher than the limit on both CO and hydrocarbons. porbably because the carb needs work and the smog pump is not even hooked up and who knows what the egr is doing. In R.I. any vehicle over 25 years old (registerd antique or not) is emissions exempt. :thumbsup: thank god.


good luck with maine and keep us posted
Insurance is not a requirement in the state of New Hampshire.

In the early 90s, I had NH tags for about 6mos in Salem, MA. The local cop recognized the Jeep from my nightly parking spot and new I had lived next to him for six months. He stopped me on the street and told me to get it changed or he would give me a ticket. He said they were cracking down and I would face a fine based on the time I had been living there. I didn't believe that part, but...
I got Mass tags that same week. I had liability insurance even though it wasn't required in NH, I transfered it to Mass (at an additional cost per year) and went to the registry.
That was a day I will never forget....:banghead:

[westcoastflea]

That was a day I will never forget....:banghead: i gotta know what the story is behind this

please tell .. do.

[JERSEY JOE]

JERSEY HAS TO BE ONE OF THE HARDEST STATES TO PASS INSPECTION SINCE ALL VEHILCES GO ON THE DYNO. NO LONGER DO THEY JUST SNIFF THE EXHAUST, NOOOOOOO YOU CAR GOES ON THE DYNO AND THEY RUN IT UP TO 35 MPH FOR A FEW MINUTES AND CHECK EMMISSIONS. MY CJ 7 IS A 1981 SO I AM GETTING CLASSIC PLATES FOR IT, NO INSPECTION BUT CAN'T REALLY DRIVE IT EVERY DAY. MY J-20 IS REGISTERED IN UPSTATE NY AND IT'S EASY TO PASS THERE.

[Casey]

i gotta know what the story is behind this

please tell .. do.
You have never had the pleasure of a visit to a Mass registry?

WOW! I thought it was crowded at the free money store! That place was insane! I was an hour early and still had to wait for two, just to get into another line. I would equate it to one of the DMV offices in the greater DC areas.

Hurry up and wait. Then they give you a ration of excuses about why you need more papers to register an out of state vehicle! :mad: :banghead:

[drlocke]

You have never had the pleasure of a visit to a Mass registry?

WOW! I thought it was crowded at the free money store! That place was insane! I was an hour early and still had to wait for two, just to get into another line. I would equate it to one of the DMV offices in the greater DC areas.

Hurry up and wait. Then they give you a ration of excuses about why you need more papers to register an out of state vehicle! :mad: :banghead:

I've been to some bad RMV branches, but the one in Pittsfield is not bad at all. Usually 5 or fewer people in queue, and if I've had to come back for lack of proper paperwork they'd usually recognise me and take me right away. :thumbsup:

The branch in Northampton area, however.......:banghead:

[westcoastflea]

You have never had the pleasure of a visit to a Mass registry?

WOW! I thought it was crowded at the free money store! That place was insane! I was an hour early and still had to wait for two, just to get into another line. I would equate it to one of the DMV offices in the greater DC areas.


lived in mass for 12 years never went to registry.

lucky here in my town you just go to the town hall maybe takes 5-10 minutes tops the only ouch is the cost.

however..... my license expired in march
since im considered middle aged i have to go in to get a new one for the eye exam
have stopped by 4 times, while in that part of town each time the wait was an hour min,
still havent gotten a new license

[Kali]

Yeah NH is the same way. I register at the town hall thats 10 minutes down the road. Takes longer to get there than it does to get the registration.
Our DMV in Concord was recently moved to a brand new building and wait times were cut from 45 minutes to 15 on average. At least thats what the local news claims.

[Casey]

Yeah NH is the same way. I register at the town hall thats 10 minutes down the road. Takes longer to get there than it does to get the registration.
Our DMV in Concord was recently moved to a brand new building and wait times were cut from 45 minutes to 15 on average. At least thats what the local news claims.
Yeah, we moved right back to NH after we were married. In NH it took no time at all, registration was done at the town hall, by my neighbor.
I still have NH tags on one Jeep in my yard...I have my brothers XJ here in SC. I love live free or die license plates.

Stamped out by prisoners! :thumbsup:

[360&389]

Politicians making alliances behind closed doors with groups to get in their citizen's pockets by creating unfriendly-illegal-unconstitutional rules and forcing the working class unable to afford current year car models to feed the corruption?

You must be mistaken. Things like that don't happen in the "model of democracy and equality" USA!!

Edited for good taste (and it's less filling too)

[backpack09]

... Whats with the revival of year old threads?

[gsmikie]

them people up in the nor-eastern states it all started over some tea bags right after they had burried some fish that did not grow.................i think its the water and home schooling

[Gambler68]

noobs type the darndest things :D

gsmikie: water kinda sucks in the NE, I agree, but our schooling blows away the rest of the country, sorry.

360/389: we try and avoid rascist comments here, even in jest.

unless it's poking fun at white people, that's ok. :D

[Tad]

... Whats with the revival of year old threads?
>shrug<
I swear it must be snowing someplace.