Red Dragon Buildup

[kamikaze4x4nj]

The red dragon is finally in my driveway, today i gave it all new sparkplugs and did alot of interior cleaning, tomorrow its goin to get an oil change and a new airfilter and im going to take the stock filter holder off too. im currently looking for a 4 inch lift new or used, who would be the cheapest new with full springs and shocks?

here are a few pics from today
let me see your grillhttp://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/alwayseatingmud/j10011.jpg
front http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/alwayseatingmud/j10005.jpg
closeuphttp://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/alwayseatingmud/j10015.jpg
sidehttp://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/alwayseatingmud/j10010.jpg
my brother really likes it and can't wait to drive in ithttp://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/alwayseatingmud/j10013.jpg
amc 360 that needs to run better :( http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/alwayseatingmud/j10004.jpg

[funwheeling]

Great pallet. Don't forget to take care of the rust. This will be your worst enemy.

[kamikaze4x4nj]

ALL cab rust will soon be taken care of, a good friend of mine is going to exchange bodywork for landscapeing with me :D im just going to leave the bed how it is since it will have a flatbed eventually when it gets a 44/14bolt combo and 40's, thats also when i hit the lottery:rolleyes:

[DAHoyle]

OUCH


That's a Painful shade of RED

[FSJeeper]

When going with a lift kit, don't buy the cheapest one, you'll regret it and hate it.

Keep your powder dry and look for a used softride type like skyjacker or superlift. I recently sold a newish 4 spring setup for less than $400.

[kamikaze4x4nj]

yeah the red is painfull, one day when its done with new axles and 38's it will eb repainted, for now the color and pinstripeing is staying, and i would rather buy a used skyjacker or soemthing like that. im trying to spend under 500 for a full 4" lift. think its possible? also does anyone know any info, sites, or books on teh carb? i beleive its a motorcraft but i can check when i get home, it idles rough and i would like to make it more reliable before its on the road :drivin:

[FSJeeper]

im trying to spend under 500 for a full 4" lift. think its possible? :drivin:

Sure, I sold mine for less than $400 and probably closer to $300, can't remember. I have seen top shelf high quality 4 spring used kits come up for sale from time to time at the for sale section here and they seem to go for $300-$400 for a used 4 spring kit. That is your best value cause they are already broken in and nice and cushy.

[Cherokee01478]

Looks like a good basis for a nice rig. Keep us informed as to how your work goes on it. My jeep is also red, and nearly as disturbingly bright!:D

[jode]

When going with a lift kit, don't buy the cheapest one, you'll regret it and hate it...look for a used softride type like skyjacker or superlift.

WHAT!?!

Superlift 4" lift springs for FSJ have to be the absolute WORST lift springs on the market:eek:

The leaves have NO taper, they flex bad, and they ride worse....and yes, this is experience talking here.

The Trailmaster JP25 springs are cheaper and WAY!! better.


it will have a flatbed eventually when it gets a 44/14bolt combo and 40's
You're kidding right? You are going to run 40" tires on a D44 front axle in a FS truck?:eek:



BTW - sweet truck. :drivin:

[kamikaze4x4nj]

an 8 lug chevy or ford dana 44 with aftermarket shafts

[Headhoncho]

[quote=jode]WHAT!?!

Superlift 4" lift springs for FSJ have to be the absolute WORST lift springs on the market:eek:

The leaves have NO taper, they flex bad, and they ride worse....and yes, this is experience talking here.]




I would rather weld the axle right to the frame than run superlift springs again. At least the ride would be softer !!!!!!

Also from personal experience.

JR

[Ronson]

Did anyone experiment with the Superlifts by taking out 1 leaf or anything? I just got a complete set up from the junkyard for $133.00, shocks and all. I haven't installed them yet, but I drove a U.P.S. truck for 13 years and currently ride golf course equipment with no suspension at all. I guess I will wait before I buy tires, by the time I'm done this might not be a 4" lift after all!

[kamikaze4x4nj]

hey head honcho, it still idles real rough, think i should take the carb to get looked at? i gave it some carb cleaner today and it idled alot sooner without haveing to keep on the petal, got any 4 inch lifts?

[91G-Dub]

Run a can of Sea Foam through the carb, cleans out lots and lots of stuff (get ready for a bit of smoke when you do it).

The fun is just starting. Lots of time and $$$ to invest. Get it running good first.

[kamikaze4x4nj]

yeha i don't wanna pop its offroad cherry till i get it running alot better. is seafoam sold at like an autozone? do i spray it in while its running? before? or after? and when it smokes from it is that good or bad? lol

[83 chif]

i love seafoam, it worked really well for me when i had my piece of junk carter carb. if you do need to get the carb looked at, keep it on the truck and bring it to steve's fuel systems in hilltop right on the blackhorse pike, i went to him a few times and he made a huge difference just playing with the choke and air fuel mixtures, and he only charge about 30 beans.

[BRUTUS]

I would rather weld the axle right to the frame than run superlift springs again. At least the ride would be softer !!!!!!

Also from personal experience.

JR

I am thinking that you and Jode got a bad batch of springs or something... Mine ride nice and soft even without shocks (of course it could be the bias ply tires, brand new rubber spring bushings, SOA, brand new besttop seats or that I just have the perfect combination of all of them at the same time). Mine flex perfect... as in they won't go past flat... Of course they rode nice when I was SUA too though.

http://www.jasonhabrock.com/jeep/lift/images/reardriverlift8.jpg

and of course my avatar pic...

http://www.jasonhabrock.com/jeep/lift/images/reardriverlift2.jpg

From my experience, I would definately buy Superlift 4" springs again. They rock my truck!

You know... come to think of it, it could just be personal "feel" preference or something like that. I don't run a sway bar front or rear but it is because my springs are stiff enough to keep me upright without them. If you went with super soft springs you might consider getting front or rear swaybars for on-road driving.

[BRUTUS]

The more I thought about your initial post and the actual truck you have brings to mind only one truck to compare too! Bright red paint, lift, tires, flatbed etc...

http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/jeeps/files/Users/Elliott/64RockTrucka.jpg

[kamikaze4x4nj]

i hopemine looks that good one day. i picked up some seafoam, im gonna try it over the weekend. my buddy who is really good with cars stopped by and said i need to fix the exaust (which i know of) and that it would run alot better if i fixed some vacuu lines, he thinks some may need to be plugged, any help with this like a diagram would be appreciated, i don't care about emissions so i would like to take every emissions peice of emissions junk off, anyone got a list of what i don't need?

[jode]

Brutus, have you ever driven other FSJ springs? Your pictures tell all about the quality of Superlift springs. A good leaf spring tapers down in thickness as it gets towards the end of the leafs. You can see in your pics, that the Superlifts do not. I'm not saying they are incapable of flexing, but you may be surprised if you ever installed a different brand of lift springs under your rig.

Either way, Superlift springs are definitely not in the same class as a softride spring.

[91G-Dub]

yeha i don't wanna pop its offroad cherry till i get it running alot better. is seafoam sold at like an autozone? do i spray it in while its running? before? or after? and when it smokes from it is that good or bad? lol

The Zone has it. It's not a spray it's a pint can of fluid. Warm up FSJ, remove air cleaner cover, SLOWLY pour about 1/2 can of Sea foam directly into carb, keep engine running until the smoke stops. It will smoke quite a bit you'll look like a mosquito control truck for about 15 minutes while it's cleaning all the gunk out of engine.
Before you do oil change (about 200 miles or so before) pour the other half can of Sea Foam in crankcase to help clean out engine.
This stuff isn't expensive and seems to work pretty well.

Just my .02

[91G-Dub]

i hopemine looks that good one day. i picked up some seafoam, im gonna try it over the weekend. my buddy who is really good with cars stopped by and said i need to fix the exaust (which i know of) and that it would run alot better if i fixed some vacuu lines, he thinks some may need to be plugged, any help with this like a diagram would be appreciated, i don't care about emissions so i would like to take every emissions peice of emissions junk off, anyone got a list of what i don't need?

Mind if I ask you why you're not concerned about emmisions? How are you getting it through inspection?

[kamikaze4x4nj]

its going to be qq'ed and if not i can get stickers :D i bought the kind thats a spray, it says start car, spray in, let car run for a few mins, turn car off for 5, start and repeat or let car run until smoke stops.......if anyone has a diagram for the carb/vacuum lines iw ould greatly appreciate it

[fulsizjeep]

Did anyone experiment with the Superlifts by taking out 1 leaf or anything? I just got a complete set up from the junkyard for $133.00, shocks and all.

A good friend put a 4" Superlift on his wife's 81 Cherokee Laredo WT a few years ago. It rode like a rock under your butt until he took the spring stacks apart in the front and trimmed the ends down on the shorter springs. I forget how much. It did not suffer any noticable hieght. He used the Black Diamond 4" springs I have on the front of my 88 for a model after he noticed his springs were longer.

[91G-Dub]

its going to be qq'ed and if not i can get stickers :D i bought the kind thats a spray, it says start car, spray in, let car run for a few mins, turn car off for 5, start and repeat or let car run until smoke stops.......if anyone has a diagram for the carb/vacuum lines iw ould greatly appreciate it

It's a Jersey thing
"its going to be qq'ed and if not i can get stickers :D"
Everybody knows a guy who knows a guy :rolleyes:

[kamikaze4x4nj]

haha it really is a jersey thing, i can either take it to a guy who passes just about everything for an extra 80 bucks, or get my buddys co-worker to get me one thats also legitimate

[jaber]

its going to be qq'ed and if not i can get stickers :D i bought the kind thats a spray, it says start car, spray in, let car run for a few mins, turn car off for 5, start and repeat or let car run until smoke stops.......if anyone has a diagram for the carb/vacuum lines iw ould greatly appreciate it
Here is a post where a guy posted factory vac setup and his own preference on his. Hope this helps...

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=59996

[kamikaze4x4nj]

i need a vacuum diagram, and also a diagram or some suggestions on what i do and don't need, and what i can plug up on the carb. also what would be a good carb to upgrade to? mine is a stock one, my buddy has a edelbrock 4barrel 600 with electric choke and adapterplate since mine is a 2barrel, would it work? if not what should get if i come across some cash? getting it running better is my main concern right now..........also i did not use my seafoam yet, does anyone know what engine the diagram in the above post is?

[91G-Dub]

http://www.ifsja.org/tech/fuel/pictures/8cylvac.gif

[jaber]

The diagrams I linked you to was a discussion from a week or two ago I believe. Those are for the V-8 and I believe that they work on all AMC V-8s. That one is for an '86, the first pic was stock configuration and the second pic was what he felt needed to be kept( green lines). I have the edlbrock also and they work right out of the box, but mine runs extremely rich and I heed to get the kit to lean it out. GL...

[kamikaze4x4nj]

im going set my stock one up like the second diagram and see if it runs better, what size edelbrock carb are you running? did u use a 2 brl to 4brl adapter plate? was it and easy swap? how much better is it performance wise?

[shimniok]

When going with a lift kit, don't buy the cheapest one, you'll regret it and hate it.

Keep your powder dry and look for a used softride type like skyjacker or superlift. I recently sold a newish 4 spring setup for less than $400.

Having ridden in a rig with a Superlift, I would not call that a softride type! :D I have Skyjacker and the ride (with RS9000's) is awesome and would get it again despite cost.

I have not ridden in a BJ's 4" lift rig but they are going to be a LOT cheaper than the skyjacker (unless you get it used). I have ridden in a BJ's 6" with nitro shocks (I think) and it was a very harsh ride. A lot of it has to do with shocks. Rancho puts on a buy 3 get 1 free once a year I think, or get 'em used.

Here's some info on lifts including manufacturers http://cfsja.org/tech/suspension/lifts.txt

Michael

[kamikaze4x4nj]

update: today doug came over and we worked on the engine. plugged up all useless vac lines and messed with the timeing and idle, its running amazeing now. I also got a free glasspack and exaust peices to redo the exaust, now i need a new y pipe. :drivin:

[83 chif]

everything still running okay? i might be calling you in a week to repay the favor, i have that lift to go on still ;) i just picked up my tires too....let me know how the red dragon is running.....

[kamikaze4x4nj]

she's running good. im going to do the exaust sometime this week. i'll def come help with the lift. whats the other grill that you have?.....btw you know anyone sellin a mountain bike? i think i might have found another hobby :eek:

[83 chif]

glad to hear its still puttin' along....yea, i plan on fixing my brakes before i do the lift, i'm not sure when or where yet, i'll keep you posted. the grille i have is a razor, i'm not sure if i want to part with it, but i think i could be convinced to if you like it. and right now i don't know anyone who is selling any mountain bikes, but i'll be working at the bike shop over my winter break so i'm sure i'll hear of some and i'll let you know what i find. mountain biking is definately the way to go, a lot of fun.....see ya man.....

[cammofsj]

my frend just put a fs cherike in the junk yard i think it had a lift. if u want il find out what one. it should be close to you. he lives in mapleshade. btw do u no jimmy he had a camo bronco on 39s.

[kamikaze4x4nj]

if its was a bronco from forked river yes, i've been friends with both hermans since i moved here in fourth grade, they both dropped out of school and work for thier dad now :banghead:

[kamikaze4x4nj]

also were is the truck? lol

[cammofsj]

i dont think thats him. he lives in mt.ephrim. he has a bunch of tatos. i was going to say hes a prety good machanic. btw did u want me to find out about that lift in the junk yard from a cherikee

[kamikaze4x4nj]

yes its him, always has short hair, wears jeans, yeah he is a good friend of mine. he traded his blaster for the truck, from a guy in forked river, the bronco was black or blue i 4get, i was at his house painting it camo with cans

[cammofsj]

ya he sold that to my brother. jimy did have my bros blazer then sold it back.

[kamikaze4x4nj]

whos your brother? were are you from?

[cammofsj]

my brothers jay helives in mtephrim. i live in barrington

[kamikaze4x4nj]

whats up man i know jay too. he has a newer dodge and an s10 blazer, use to have jimmys camo bronco, used to have an f150 or 250 too. funny how everyone knows someone

[cammofsj]

ya his s10 is 4/sale. whats ur name.

[cammofsj]

any updates

[kamikaze4x4nj]

actually yeah, but im too tired from wheelin today to post pics and updates right now, i will tomorrow, heres a little preview, my front end had some carnage from 3 inch thick ice today ahaha a

[kamikaze4x4nj]

update comming tomorrow or the day after, it got some new paint, shoes, bedliner, and some other fun things, no longer for sale now i just need a lift and then maybe some 35's

[kamikaze4x4nj]

i think she is gonna need a new name to haha :fsj:

[malodin]

I prefer to buy used lift springs as long as they are still good, because they are half the cost and already "broken" in where they are gonna be supper flexy compared to there stock counter parts. at least thats been my experience with used springs.

my first used lift set was skyjacker softride, very good springs.

[cammofsj]

i thought you already sold this since you were in that lowrider(my brother told me it was you)

[kamikaze4x4nj]

my s10 is my daily driver, i don't put money into it except for payments and maintnance, all the cash now goes to the heep, it has to be done by july 14th, picked up the front lift springs from a board member here yesterday, and its od green now, not red pics will be up soon :D