WT Waggy? [Archive] - International Full Size Jeep Association

srobertsfsj

11-06-2006, 08:01 PM

I found a very clean, almost rust free 86 waggy for sale but its an odd one because it has, what looks like, WT flares on it. It all looks very original too. Did they ever make a WT wagoneer in 86? I am a little confused. I am going to try to snap a few shots of it tomorrow.

Oh yeah, I got the VIN off of it. 1JCNJ15U1GT187048

Jeep4myBoys

11-06-2006, 08:06 PM

The vin indicates model 15 - not a wide track (wide tracks were cheros only, up to 1983, after which chero went little). Probably someone added the flares and possibly w/t axles later. Was it 4 door? I'd like to see pictures.

srobertsfsj

11-06-2006, 08:28 PM

It is a 4 door but the rear axle looks like an AMC 20. I will try to take a couple of pics tomorrow and post them.

mrtazwrench

11-06-2006, 08:32 PM

It is a 4 door but the rear axle looks like an AMC 20. I will try to take a couple of pics tomorrow and post them.
80-83 CHEROKEES had wide AMC 20'S

srobertsfsj

11-06-2006, 08:45 PM

80-83 CHEROKEES had wide AMC 20'S

Interesting, should I measure the axle? What's the width of a WT AMC 20? What do you measure from?

mrtazwrench

11-06-2006, 08:53 PM

Interesting, should I measure the axle? What's the width of a WT AMC 20? What do you measure from?
usually measured wheel mounting surface (WMS) to WMS if you do a search that spec should be here somewhere, or someone will post it.

baja

11-06-2006, 08:59 PM

My 78, Chief, wide track rear measures 61" WMS to WMS.
(Wheel Mounting Surface)

baja

srobertsfsj

11-07-2006, 12:15 PM

Here are some pics. Notice the last pic of the rear spring. What the heck is that on there?????

http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/Wagoneer/Rear.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/Wagoneer/Rear2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/Wagoneer/Side.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/Wagoneer/Side2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/Wagoneer/FrontFender.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/Wagoneer/FrontFender2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/Wagoneer/RearSpring.jpg

goldhammer

11-07-2006, 12:20 PM

Air bag overloads from the looks of it. The fender "jeep" emblems are from a child chero (downsized version) From what I can see, does not look like they split the rear flare to put on the door. They cut the door instead?

fulsizjeep

11-07-2006, 12:38 PM

srobertsfsj

11-07-2006, 12:54 PM

Wow Scott. Nice find! This is custom as Chrysler would have never done this. I just can't see it being a factory job. Looks good too. Also looks like WT axels installed. If you get by there again, it would be interesting to see how the rear door fits around the rear fender flare.

There was a company in SoCal that made some Super Chief WT Wagoneers in the mid 70s. That is the closest I have seen to any WT Wagoneers that sold "new". I have a black and white photo from what looked to be a magazine or newspaper article of some kind. I wonder where that image is anyways...

I havent bought it yet. I am not sure what they are even asking. The sign in the back use to say "needs work" but it has been sitting there for almost 3 years. Dont even know if it runs or not. What do you guys think that something like that might be worth??

goldhammer

11-07-2006, 12:59 PM

Depending on overall condition, running 1500 to 2000, not running 1/2 that. Just depends on what you want, and how bad you want it. Out here it would prob. go for a little more than that. Looks like it might also have around a 3-4 inch lift, judging by the block in the last pic.

srobertsfsj

11-07-2006, 01:26 PM

couple more questions. The year (86) would tell me it has a NP208? Is this a good TC? Is that the selec-trac? Does it have a 4x4 hi and 4x4 lo?

Scott R.

J4GRAND

11-07-2006, 01:32 PM

The year (86) would tell me it has a NP208?
Since it doesn't have manual hubs on the front, it probably has the NP228 that was used for only one year- 1986. Same case as the 229 but without the vicous coupler. It should have a hi-low shifter handle next to the driver on the side of the tranny hump.

Ristow

11-07-2006, 01:33 PM

yeah,i like it.

a lot!

very well done custom job.

fulsizjeep

11-07-2006, 01:34 PM

86 was the year of NP228. It could be a 229 depending on actual manufacture date. Since it is an AMC 20 in the back, I would guess 228 tho. The 208 was only available on special package GWs (police or gov't usually) and Jtrucks at that time.

goldhammer

11-07-2006, 02:29 PM

Bearing in mind since it appears the W/T axles were put under it, it could be a 208 and the donor axles could have come from a full time rig. If a 208 the shifter will be on the left side of the trans tunnel between the dash and seat. If the rear diff cover is a plain round dog dish then is a 20. If it looks like the front then a 44. Probably looking at either 2.72's or 3.31's for gearing unless a R&P swap has been done.

fulsizjeep

11-07-2006, 03:15 PM

DOH... yeah, being it has clearly got some non stock mods, no telling what is actually under it. Knock on the door and see if you can check it out Scott.

srobertsfsj

11-07-2006, 03:38 PM

DOH... yeah, being it has clearly got some non stock mods, no telling what is actually under it. Knock on the door and see if you can check it out Scott.

I plan on doing that in the next day or so. I will take a pic of the rear doors too. Not sure what a 228, 229 or 208 look like tho :)

TexTJ209

11-07-2006, 04:18 PM

The rear body lines above that flare look kinda funky..

But yeah, when you go back make sure to get some closeup pics of that rear flare.

Lindel

11-07-2006, 09:08 PM

Looks to me like someone welded in a set of J-truck flares, and got the top of the rear just a little bit hot. Looks to be nicely done tho

srobertsfsj

11-08-2006, 02:46 PM

For those of you that were interested in what the rear doors and fenders looked like. I was able to snap a couple of pics. Still havent caught them when they were home to see what they are asking.

http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/Wagoneer/RearDoor1.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/Wagoneer/RearDoor2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/Wagoneer/RearDoor3.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/Wagoneer/RearDoor4.jpg

rustywagoneers_com

11-08-2006, 02:47 PM

i'll be dipped,
they cut the door...

peace
Dave

goldhammer

11-08-2006, 02:56 PM

Crawl under it with a rag to wipe off the backside of the transfer case. You should find a round tag, about 2 1/2 to 3 inches in dia. Will have the model # stamped on it.

This thing is getting more intriguing the more I see of it.

FSJeeper

11-08-2006, 02:57 PM

There used to be a guy out of Lubbock who sold flair kits for 4 door wags in the late 70's and 80's. I almost ordered a set and did the conversion. I still have his brochure and instuction manual. Long out of biz since then. That looks like one of his kits.

Bob Barry

11-08-2006, 03:01 PM

That is a very clean job. I likey! :thumbsup:

TexTJ209

11-08-2006, 05:42 PM

Thats pretty sweet. You'd just have to fix that little section above the flare where its kinda messed up and you'd have a sweet rig. Do eet!

donwag

11-08-2006, 06:18 PM

Back in '77, Brian Chuchua Jeep, Placentia, CA, custom built wide track four door Cherokee's. I have some pictures and have always wanted to build one.

Chuchua put in J10 axles front and rear;front fenders from a J10, and rear flares from a J10 bed. Called it the "Super Chief Wagoneer." $1,500 for the "Super Chief" dealer mod in 1977.

Documented in "Jeep Wagoneer Performance Portolio 1963-1991," Brooklands Books LTD.

I would sure like to know more about this one. If you are not interested I would be. Not likely a Chuchua Jeep mod, but could be.

Keep us posted.

srobertsfsj

11-08-2006, 07:45 PM

I spoke with the owner today. I guess the work was professionally done at a body shop in CA, a long time ago. It has a J10 front clip and a cherokee drivetrain. Also has dual tanks. He says it runs but hasnt driven in a year and the battery is dead. Typical other issues. rear window motor is out. Driver window track is busted. Most of the gauges dont work. Smog pump is disconnected and some of the vacuum lines are unplugged. Headliner falling down. The floorboards looked solid tho and didnt really see any rust anywhere on the body. I didnt get a chance look at the TC because it was dark out. I thought I saw a driver side drop up front and a center or pass side drop to the rear. Not sure what the NP228/229 is. Anyway, he is only asking $500 for it. He would probably go $450. What do you guys think?

Also, there was a high/low lever on the side of the hump next to the driver seat and a 2wd/4wd selector switch on the dash.

donwag

11-08-2006, 07:53 PM

If it is not a rust bucket, buy it now. If you don't let me know. Thanks.

Geeeep

11-08-2006, 07:56 PM

$500 what you didn't put the cash right in his hand :eek:

That's nice bodywork.

ironroad29

11-08-2006, 07:56 PM

have you bought it yet?
lol

KaiserMan

11-08-2006, 08:08 PM

I'd have bought it on the spot. Heck of a deal for $500.

NVJEEPER

11-08-2006, 08:25 PM

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: I drive by that thing everyday...thought the big white paper was a sun block. Man aint it sweet!!! I havent seen it move in a long time.

:confused: Aint G-ville a long ways from Co.?;) :( :( $450...:( Ah it needs 10" wheels anyways:rolleyes:

Bob Barry

11-08-2006, 08:33 PM

If you don't buy it, we will subject you to endless ridicule and scorn. ;)

Get it, and then we can talk.

fulsizjeep

11-08-2006, 09:57 PM

Nice work. The problems you describe are superficial. Go get it. Now. :cool:

This is the only Super Chief picture I have collected along the way.

http://frontier.net/~mystkblu/77superchief.jpg

srobertsfsj

11-08-2006, 10:10 PM

gonna get it tomorrow :)

JeeperJay

11-09-2006, 01:10 PM

gonna get it tomorrow :)

You lucky SOB!
Awesome deal for $500.

DanHS

11-09-2006, 01:49 PM

Sweet, great price for such a Jeep. More pics when you bring it home!

W O S

11-09-2006, 02:49 PM

Here's mine.
2558

2559
It started life as a '76 Wagoneer with a good body and bad drivetrain. We also bought a '77 Widetrack Chero with a 401 and a rusted body. It fit our plans perfectly since we wanted a 4 door. We put the entire Chero drivetrain (including the front fenders with the flares and widetrack axles front and rear) into the Wag and put a 4" lift at the same time. Its a little more than a 4" as we put extra springs both front and rear. But not quite 6 inches, 33x12.50 tires, a Hickey Sidewinder Winch (came on the Chero), a receiver hitch (so we can tow our hunting trailer)and we ended up with our perfect hunting rig. It is now in its 5th year on the mountain. We took the rear flares off of the Chero but never got around to welding them on. It gets so muddy sometimes without the rear flares that all you can see is the glass where the windshield wipers are! I have tons of other pics if anyone is interested. For the rear fender clearance we just cut, trimmed and rolled under. Front fenders are the stock Widetrack fenders.
Randy.

goldhammer

11-09-2006, 03:19 PM

He shoots.....and SCORES, three pointer. Nice grab.:dancingbanana:

78J10honcho

11-09-2006, 04:14 PM

:thumbsup: AWESOME score, let us know how she runs

BRUTUS

11-09-2006, 04:30 PM

Are you serious Scott....

You sold your J20 to put money into the OTHER wag... now you are getting another wag.... You are killin me!

JPSwapMohn

11-09-2006, 04:55 PM

Dude, you could get $450 for the chrome brush guard and the swing out tire carrier.. Are you kidding me?:eek: I never find this kind of stuff...

YOOOUUUUUU SSSSUUCCKKKKK!!!!!

I spoke with the owner today. I guess the work was professionally done at a body shop in CA, a long time ago. It has a J10 front clip and a cherokee drivetrain. Also has dual tanks. He says it runs but hasnt driven in a year and the battery is dead. Typical other issues. rear window motor is out. Driver window track is busted. Most of the gauges dont work. Smog pump is disconnected and some of the vacuum lines are unplugged. Headliner falling down. The floorboards looked solid tho and didnt really see any rust anywhere on the body. I didnt get a chance look at the TC because it was dark out. I thought I saw a driver side drop up front and a center or pass side drop to the rear. Not sure what the NP228/229 is. Anyway, he is only asking $500 for it. He would probably go $450. What do you guys think?

Also, there was a high/low lever on the side of the hump next to the driver seat and a 2wd/4wd selector switch on the dash.

donwag

11-09-2006, 04:59 PM

Nice score man. I am one jealous jeeper!

srobertsfsj

11-10-2006, 07:06 PM

Yes, G-ville is a very long way from CO. I am going to temporarily store it a my father-in-laws house there in Gardnerville. I am still trying to figure out how I am going to get it back to CO. I dont think it would make the 1100 mile trip on its own power. Will probably have to be towed. Anyone going my way? :)

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: I drive by that thing everyday...thought the big white paper was a sun block. Man aint it sweet!!! I havent seen it move in a long time.

:confused: Aint G-ville a long ways from Co.?;) :( :( $450...:( Ah it needs 10" wheels anyways:rolleyes:

NVJEEPER

11-10-2006, 09:04 PM

nice score dude,Hope you get it home smoothly:thumbsup:

Ristow

11-10-2006, 09:08 PM

DRIVE IT!!

srobertsfsj

11-11-2006, 12:22 AM

Yes, I know, I know :banghead: ....but I really plan on transfering parts over to make this new one my trail rig. Tires, springs, 401, etc. I gotta have a 4 door for the family or I would of kept the J20 :rolleyes:

Are you serious Scott....

You sold your J20 to put money into the OTHER wag... now you are getting another wag.... You are killin me!

jaber

11-11-2006, 06:59 AM

Are you serious Scott....

You sold your J20 to put money into the OTHER wag... now you are getting another wag.... You are killin me!

Another fine example of the sickness....Classic signs. I did the same thing last Jan. It never ends. Nice find and way to go!!!!

fulsizjeep

11-11-2006, 07:15 AM

CONGRATS Scott, you dirty dawg... Doesn't CFSJA own a trailer, or is that a lift or dolly? Ask Shimniok. Hmmm...

One of the things we plan for the Camper Special is to be a FSJ retrieval hauler. It's comin around, some day...

srobertsfsj

02-18-2007, 05:28 PM

Yay! Finally got the WT Waggy in from NV. Havent gone through it too much yet. I am not familiar with the newer rigs, alot more wiring, vacuum, etc. It run pretty good but some of the vacuum lines are loose and the oil needs to be changed. Exhaust leak on the pass side and a little leak from the valve cover. Kinda expected since it sat for a couple of years. So far it appears to have a few electrical issues. The weirdest is that when you turn the lights on a dinging noise comes on and doesnt shut off :confused: Neither the heater, fan or AC make any noise when I turn them on. The rear window doesnt work with the switch in the dash or the key in the back. The windshield wipers/fluid dont seem to have power either. Also, none of the gauges work.....

Where should I start? What do I look for? fuses/breakers?

Anyway, here are a few pics of the $500 Waggy. Despite the amount of work needed to get it road worthy. I would say its worth it for the WT conversion.

http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/wtwaggy/wtwaggy1.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/wtwaggy/wtwaggy2.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/wtwaggy/wtwaggy3.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/wtwaggy/wtwaggy4.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/wtwaggy/wtwaggy5.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/wtwaggy/wtwaggy6.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/wtwaggy/wtwaggy7.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/wtwaggy/wtwaggy8.JPG

Ristow

02-18-2007, 05:39 PM

man,that's cool!

on my '83 if one of the fuses blows-can't recall which-the one my choke is on-the headlite warning chime comes on when the light are on.found out when my choke wire chafed through.

The PIG Smith

02-18-2007, 06:37 PM

Wanna double your money real quick?

Bama Burden

02-18-2007, 07:10 PM

very cool.

How about a pic of the rear door jambs with the doors open?

shimniok

02-19-2007, 12:19 AM

Yay! Finally got the WT Waggy in from NV.

Having seen it in person, I have to say my mind is still reeling... it looks SO clean... engine bay, inside, outside. This is a really amazing find at any reasonable price, but to also get a deal on it. Yikes. :cool:

What blows me away is the fender flares. If you didn't know you'd think it came that way from the factory (in fact, why didn't they??) I am going to have to compare mine (also 86) side by side to see exactly how they did this... cuz now I want flares! :D

Maybe it has some issues to sort out but what a rare find in such great shape overall. I've only ever seen one other 4-door with flares and that one was a beater. This one is a beauty.

Michael

Steelhead

02-19-2007, 01:13 AM

sweet

fulsizjeep

02-19-2007, 06:01 AM

Scott - that thing looks pretty sweet... Better than the first pix you posted last year. Nice grab! :thumbsup:

Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81

02-19-2007, 07:59 AM

I think I may ruin my keyboard with all the drool.....:eek:

Id like to do that to my Wag someday but Im not so sure I wanna cut up my nice body as my body working skills are minimal and Id probly end up with a hack job. :rolleyes:

BTW...YOU SUCK BIG TIME!!!

scantar

02-19-2007, 08:34 AM

Wow! Nice score...very clean looking and clean work on the WT mod too. I agree, second set of pics look great! And for $500? :cool:

I'd say you suck, but Front Range Colorado's getting a nice collection of Full Sizers goin'! :thumbsup: (no dis meant to our 401 hoarding bruthas and sistas on the soft slope :D )

Steve

NVJEEPER

02-19-2007, 12:16 PM

Did you drive it home?
It still looks great,especially with the air thingie off the back.
Sure is trippy to see it in a different driveway,but good to see. Maybe now that it be in the 401 capitol of America it'll sport one soon:thumbsup:
Awesome!!!

srobertsfsj

02-19-2007, 02:15 PM

I did not drive it back from Nevada. I used uship.com. Great site, I would highly recommend it to anyone looking to ship just about anything. :thumbsup:

Someone wanted to see door jam pics. Here you go. Havent had a chance to clean her up yet so its a bit dirty still.

http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/wtwaggy/rearfender1.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/wtwaggy/rearfender2.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/wtwaggy/rearfender3.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/wtwaggy/rearfender6.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~srobertsfsj/wtwaggy/rearfender5.JPG

Thanks