View Full Version : Just picked up some CUCV axles!
BassnTruck
10-27-2006, 11:34 AM
As you know dana 60 front and 14bolt rear with 4.56 gears. I might have paid to much might have got a deal not really sure but I am happy so that is all that matters.
Here is the plan for them.
I want to make the front a HP axle. Are the axle tubes pressed in? They are dirty and can not tell and it is cold out. So i will need to get a revers set of gears and I want to spool the front. It will be getting manual locking hubs so turning and such on the street will not be an issue. The rears already come with a detroit but I think I want to spool that also. It will see alot of street time. I might go with an air locker or electric ARB. The 14 bolt will be converted to disks also. I am going to replace all the seals and bearings in them also. I want to do ram steering and ditch tierods.
I was wanting to put them on now but with the weather I am going to wait and just rebuild them for the spring.
Anything I missed?
The rears already come with a detroit but I think I want to spool that also. It will see alot of street time. I might go with an air locker or electric ARB.
I guess I am not quite feeling your flava cuz that sentence appears to have like 2 or 3 oxymorons in it. Can you please define what you consider a "spool" and what you think a Detroit is?
Bama Burden
10-27-2006, 02:42 PM
uh, if you want a high pinion, you may want to sell that GM D60 and buy a Ford 60, or else your wallet will be in a world of hurt cuz just using reverse cut gears ain't gonna make it HP. the tubes get pressed in and then plug welded.
babywag
10-27-2006, 02:57 PM
WHY???
Your profile states '84 wag, why screw around w/ a passenger drop front axle on a driver's drop rig?
Corp. 14bolts can be gotten around here for like $150 or less.
D60's are a different story, but much cheaper/easier to start with a driver's model.
No need to comment on the locker/spooler comments as that's been covered.
Hope you stole them....or got 'em dirt cheap.:confused:
DAHoyle
10-27-2006, 03:34 PM
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
BassnTruck
10-27-2006, 04:39 PM
I am still unsure what I am going to do with the rear. I know what has to be done to HP the 60. I cleaned them up some and they are pressed and tacked into place. As for the pass drop 60, it dosent matter because it will be getting an atlas2 case when I put them under. As for the price who knows dosen't matter. I am happy. I will start workign on it this spring and maybe make it to the moab trip (MAYBE). I am going to spend more money then sence on this. And it will probally make some of you sick. But everyone will agree when it is done they would want it.
I am going to spend more money then sence on this. And it will probally make some of you sick. But everyone will agree when it is done they would want it.
LOL!
That is awesome. Good on ya, and make it happen. We prolly will all be jealous when you are done and will also be doing this :banghead: when you tell us how much you have into it, but it's your $$ so spend it the way you want.:thumbsup:
DAHoyle
10-27-2006, 06:32 PM
I would be really interested in your technique to make a CUCV axle a hi-pinion.
If you are planning what it seems that you are, you are in for a heap of disappointment.
BassnTruck
10-27-2006, 06:39 PM
I would love to hear why. I would probally never break it in LP form. But As a LP front axle it puts all the driveline pressure of the front end on the pintion nut. A HP front end loads all the pressure on the inner pinnion bearing. It would streaghten the axle a good amount. But it if is going to cost me over 2k to do it I probally wont. I have a set budget of 20k to dump into this thing. And I will probally hit it. It is only money.
I would be really interested in your technique to make ag CUCV axle a hi-pinion.
If you are planning what it seems that you are, you are in for a heap of disappointment.
unclethumbtack
10-27-2006, 08:31 PM
Are you Bill Gates kid or something ;)? I am switching to a 14 bolt rear and switching to front (D44) to a 8 lug pattern. Make sure you really study what others have done. There are people on here who have been doing this long enough to answer almost any question and give you sound advice. Good luck if you need some help I am about 2 hours away.
I would be really interested in your technique to make a CUCV axle a hi-pinion.
It sounds like he is planning to cut the tubes out and install a HP centersection. It is plausible, and probably won't even cost that much. But if he goes that far, he might as well cut and rotate the knuckes as well, then go ahead and make it a driver's side drop (since that would make it more valuable.)
Of course, if he has HP centersection, why is he not using it in the axle it came in, and if he does all this work to it, why not just buy a HP D60 in the first place? It's all good though - it sounds like a fun project.
:drivin:
DAHoyle
10-27-2006, 09:20 PM
Hope that's what he has in mind, but like you said, why not use the HP axle the center came in. I just sort of got the impression he was going to just flip the housing upside down. Whatever he chooses, best of luck in it.
Crazy_Jeepman
10-27-2006, 09:31 PM
Yea I am trying to come to some sort of conclusion on the PLAN myself. :confused:
But As a LP front axle it puts all the driveline pressure of the front end on the pintion nut. A HP front end loads all the pressure on the inner pinnion bearing. It would streaghten the axle a good amount.
Trying to get a grip on this concept as well, if anyone could explain that
I've heard that the HP design is stronger in a front application, but I was under the impression that it was due to the fact that it makes the teeth mesh on the strong side of the curve instead of on the back side. This is the first time I've heard of the bearing thing.
justin'sbig7
10-28-2006, 06:05 AM
yeah, i havent heard about the bearing thing either, but it kinda makes sense... bassntruck, if you get a ford hp d60, it is a direct bolt in. some new u bolts and its done... a lot of them came with 4:10 gears too. i paid 200 bux for my hp 60, (and it was a smokin deal) but even if you drop a grand on the hp 60, buy a locker and gears and have all of that installed, you are still gonna have a lot less than flippin and retubing those cucv axles then you can spend that cash elsewhere... just my $.02 wish i had 20K layin around to dump into my jeeps LOL!:thumbsup: good luck!
...I have a set budget of 20k to dump into this thing. And I will probally hit it. It is only money.
Wow
Best of thoughts for your project, be fun to play with that sort of bankroll on a FSJ. Personally, if I had a spare $20K I'd be investing in more land.
Crazy_Jeepman
10-28-2006, 07:14 AM
yeah, i havent heard about the bearing thing either, but it kinda makes sense...
Glad it makes sense to someone :huh: Looks like I now have to watch my Pinion nut for breakage now.......... LMAO! :bluelaugh:
Casey
10-28-2006, 07:52 AM
Wow
Best of thoughts for your project, be fun to play with that sort of bankroll on a FSJ. Personally, if I had a spare $20K I'd be investing in more land.
So...you could cover it in more old rusty pieces of....nostalgia?
Oh wait that's me. :p
Crazy_Jeepman
10-28-2006, 07:56 AM
So...you could cover it in more old rusty pieces of....nostalgia?
Oh wait that's me. :p
LMAO! now there are some true words there :lol:
shadowjeep
10-28-2006, 09:14 AM
ok ill be dumb and ask. what are CUCV axles?
Crazy_Jeepman
10-28-2006, 09:16 AM
ok ill be dumb and ask. what are CUCV axles?
Military 1 ton and up axles. All they are is a Rear Chevy Corp 14 bolt with a Detroit Locker and a Dana 60 front.
DAHoyle
10-28-2006, 11:02 AM
M1028 Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicle. Army lingo for an old beat up Chebby, but they did have some good drivelines.
shadowjeep
10-28-2006, 11:17 AM
M1028 Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicle. Army lingo for an old beat up Chebby, but they did have some good drivelines.
thanks guys, that make more since now.
amcfever
10-28-2006, 01:17 PM
i don't know that much about axles or anything..but all i can say from experience is..start with what you want (a dana 60 high pinion) rather than trying to change something else to be it. it saves a lot of headaches in the long run.
crazydog
10-28-2006, 02:21 PM
M1028 Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicle. Army lingo for an old beat up Chebby, but they did have some good drivelines.
Don't forget the M1008, M1010, and the M1031. If you are looking for axles, just avoid the M1009.
justin'sbig7
10-28-2006, 05:00 PM
Glad it makes sense to someone :huh: Looks like I now have to watch my Pinion nut for breakage now.......... LMAO! :bluelaugh:
if you look at the pinion and ring gears and how they mesh on a front high pinion, when driving the wheels forward the pinion gear "pushes" the ring gear as it is on the top. this in turn puts the load against the housing and gear side of the bearing due to the theory that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. the amount of force it takes to drive the vehicle is the same force put on the bearing and housing.... in a low pinion front application, the pinion gear has to "pull" the ring gear causing the force to be applied to the nut and yoke side of the pinion (tries to suck the pinion into the housing) hope this isnt too obscure, if i had a diagram i could explain it better... i dont think its that big of a factor, the biggest reason for a HP is for driveline clearance and angles.
elbastardo
10-30-2006, 07:14 AM
With 20Gs, Why even run the dana 60? You could run A set of portals with more strength, selectible lockers, and A much higher ground clearance than any D60. Food for thought:thumbsup:
BassnTruck
10-30-2006, 07:48 AM
Because most of that will be going for the new drivetrain and fitting it in there. I have a soft spot in my heart for loud yellow motors and a allison. I am hoping to have all the parts together and ready by this spring.
rockjeep44
10-30-2006, 10:09 AM
As you know dana 60 front and 14bolt rear with 4.56 gears. I might have paid to much might have got a deal not really sure but I am happy so that is all that matters.
Here is the plan for them.
I want to make the front a HP axle. Are the axle tubes pressed in? They are dirty and can not tell and it is cold out. So i will need to get a revers set of gears and I want to spool the front. It will be getting manual locking hubs so turning and such on the street will not be an issue. The rears already come with a detroit but I think I want to spool that also. It will see alot of street time. I might go with an air locker or electric ARB. The 14 bolt will be converted to disks also. I am going to replace all the seals and bearings in them also. I want to do ram steering and ditch tierods.
I was wanting to put them on now but with the weather I am going to wait and just rebuild them for the spring.
Anything I missed?
I've been on IFSJA for a long time and seen some really idiotic things but this post here takes the award for dumbest post ever. At first I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt but after reading further I don't even know where to start. Congratulations. It's a real testiment to this place that people are actually giving you serious answers. I wouldn't even waste my time.
Good luck on your plan to HP a LP axle, spool a detroit, and convert to ram steering without a tie-rod. LMFAO!!!!
Bama Burden
10-30-2006, 10:23 AM
I've been on IFSJA for a long time and seen some really idiotic things but this post here takes the award for dumbest post ever. At first I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt but after reading further I don't even know where to start. Congratulations. It's a real testiment to this place that people are actually giving you serious answers. I wouldn't even waste my time.
Good luck on your plan to HP a LP axle, spool a detroit, and convert to ram steering without a tie-rod. LMFAO!!!!
I was waiting for that :lol:
Brad W.
10-30-2006, 02:30 PM
PWNED. Thank you Andrew, you took the words out of my mouth.
Great Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley Moogley-- If you cut up a CUCV d60 for some ridiculous idea like this, I expect someone to punch you in the kidneys. Put down the crack pipe and step away from the welder.
DAHoyle
10-30-2006, 04:59 PM
LMAO
Glad that's out of the way now. Well at least we know he can mimic what he reads on Pirate. I just wish he'd posted there so I could read the flame jobs.
Somebody on this site has a sig that reads:
"Can you repeat that? You are coming in garbled and stupid." It fits in this particular circumstance, but we try to be friendly here rather than jumping on the flaming bandwagon. That is why this is IFSJA, and not POR.
BlackBart
10-30-2006, 06:37 PM
As a person who spent my youth doing everything the hard way, and who has since learned that it is bad for the Karma, might you consider, either buying a High angle front driveshaft, (since money doesn't appear to be in short supply.) or perhaps grinding the welds off the front knuckle to rotate them for proper caster angle, then weld/grind weld the spring pad on the pumpkin and weld a new spring perch on the tube to rotate the pinion up toward the axle to alleviate the driveshaft angle problem?
Some one correct me if I am mistaken, but other than the driveshaft angle problem, the only real advantage to a high pinion is that the ring and pinion is stronger only while pulling foreward. they are weaker pulling in reverse. If this truck will be used offroad(I assume) when you are climbing a hill or a rock, the majority of the weight and hence the traction will be on the rear tires, so unless the trucks primary use will be truck pulls, it is of little value. On the other hand the low pinion is extremely strong in reverse, so if you have to back out of a steep spot, or pull hard on a buddy using your front tow points, you will have less chance of breaking the ring and pinion gears. Hence, according to this THEORY, a truck equipped with a low pinion can pull in both directions very hard.(In my k30 this theory holds true)
If you have your heart set on doing this(which will definately upset the Gods), please call dynatrac at www.dynatrac.com (http://www.dynatrac.com) or call Phone: 714.596.4461 and get the lowdown on the parts and techniques that are involved in doing this.
May the Carburetor gods have mercy on your poor misguided soul;) .
Dmntxn77
10-30-2006, 07:05 PM
WOW,
And...
WOW, one more time....
I will be following this build-up FOR SURE!!!
BassnTruck
10-30-2006, 09:58 PM
BlackBart, I am not dead set on redoing the 60. Was just a thought. Everyone who has been helpful Thank You.
All the others who think I am some stupid child and what not. That is fine you have spoken your peice. Guess you will all just have to wait and see.
Happy Jeeping. :)
orangecherokee
10-31-2006, 04:20 PM
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