do any of the teraflex revolving shackles work on fsj?

[j20krawler]

im loking for some new shackles for my j20 and i want to get the reveolving shackles from teraflex, but i also need like 1" to 1.5" inches of lift in the front from the shackles, does any know if the reveolving shackles can work on my j20? if not im just going to be making my own longer shackles. so any info would be awesome :thumbsup:

[4x4fEvEr]

i think the majority on the board will tell you revolver shackles or anything of they type is a bad idea. just make or buy some lift shackles an 1 -1.5" is as much as you would really want to go

[80wag]

Are these prone to breakage? Not up to FSJ weight?

[shackwrrr]

they have the risk of unloading when getting any air or something like that

[Dmntxn77]

You do realize that in order to get 1.5"s of lift out of a shackle it would have to be 3"s longer than stock right??

That is a REALLY long shackle for big heavy vehicle... I would not try to get more than .75" out of a shackle...

[Desert Beast]

there has been a ton of posts on the revolvers. search.

as for longer shackles, like said above i wouldnt go to much longer than stock.

[j20krawler]

i need alittle more lift in the front, for some reason its about 1 to 2 inches lower almost, so any other ideas than shackles??

[DAHoyle]

You really don't want the associated headaches/hazzards that come with excessively long front shackles. Unless you add some degree shims to the spring pack, you will likely find yourself with a front end that feels completely dead, will want to wander, will probably develop a death wobble that will scare the bejesus out of you, and will not want to return to center following a turn. None of these are characteristics you want in a daily driver.
:(

[BRUTUS]

I have a design for some revolver shackles that have a pin to prevent unloading and a pin to prevent "revolving".

Maybe one of these days I will get a set made and test them out.

[Desert Beast]

what about when the pins are out?

[BRUTUS]

what about when the pins are out?

It performs as intended...

When it is pinned, it acts just like a regular shackle.

When it is unpinned, it is allowed to unload and revolve as needed.

[worn4wd]

i usualy add one leaf in the front to solve the sag, usualy a junkyard wagoneer mainleaf with the eyes cut off. xj revolvers fit the front, but only work in back with a shackle flip.
we rockcrawl and drive several vehicles with revolvers, and as long as they get maintained they work fine. as for unloadind we havent had any problems with hillclimbs, or rockcrawling.on the road they are unnoticeable.

[shimniok]

It performs as intended...

When it is pinned, it acts just like a regular shackle.

When it is unpinned, it is allowed to unload and revolve as needed.

I thought the problem isn't just on-road but off-road where they unload and cause weight transfer that pushes a rig close to rolling to roll?

Do they linearly resist unloading? Or how does it work? I would think that if they resisted unloading so they only unload after the leaf spring was fully decompressed they'd be more predictable.

Michael

[Desert Beast]

It performs as intended...

When it is pinned, it acts just like a regular shackle.

When it is unpinned, it is allowed to unload and revolve as needed.

so they would have the ill effects of a revolver when they are un pinned, the problem w/ the revolvers was when they were off road. never had any problems w/ them on the road.

[BRUTUS]

so they would have the ill effects of a revolver when they are un pinned, the problem w/ the revolvers was when they were off road. never had any problems w/ them on the road.

I have heard that they unload unpredictably when ON road. So what is the problem with them off road? And why does it only affect full size rigs and not toys and baby jeeps?

[BRUTUS]

I thought the problem isn't just on-road but off-road where they unload and cause weight transfer that pushes a rig close to rolling to roll?

Do they linearly resist unloading? Or how does it work? I would think that if they resisted unloading so they only unload after the leaf spring was fully decompressed they'd be more predictable.

Michael

I wouldn't think they would cause a weight transfer. Especially if you are crawling along.. they shouldn't perform anywhere out of the ordinary. I guess what do I know.. I am just a NEWB.

[Desert Beast]

I have heard that they unload unpredictably when ON road. So what is the problem with them off road? And why does it only affect full size rigs and not toys and baby jeeps?

they unload off road. get on a side hill and the upside ones can unload. sometimes it doesnt matter but if you are close to putting it on its side it can toss you over.

its not only fullsize rigs, ive heard of people w/ baby jeeps and toys having these effects also. might be a bit more for a full size rigs just b/c they are heavier and more prone to this happening.

[worn4wd]

not hearsay i used them, not unpredictable, never any sidehill issues,mine never unloaded on a climb or desent. i have built jeeps for others that use them also, and they havent had any problems. the urathate cussions wear out faster on a fsj but otherwise they work great.we run black and red trails and the revolvers help keep the tires on the ground were they do some good.
not second hand smoke up your*** just what i know.

[blt2krl]

I have no clue what a red and black trail rating means. I can tell you I broke a revolver from two years of wheeling in SUA and SOA setups. My conclusion is that the revolvers DO NOT hold up over the long haul. The do not fully open while wheeling because of the springs natural twisting while being compressed. I can and do get as much flex out of a set of Rancho 44044's in a SOA set up than the same setup with revolvers. Save your money on better improvements and not on items that are marginal at best.

[BRUTUS]

not hearsay i used them, not unpredictable, never any sidehill issues,mine never unloaded on a climb or desent. i have built jeeps for others that use them also, and they havent had any problems. the urathate cussions wear out faster on a fsj but otherwise they work great.we run black and red trails and the revolvers help keep the tires on the ground were they do some good.
not second hand smoke up your*** just what i know.

My design does not utilize the urethane bushings. It is MUCH more stout than the Teraflex ones. One of these days I will get around to making a set to try out.

[shadowjeep]

i cant remember the setup on the rigs that had them unload and caused the rolls. did they have the revolvers on front and rear or just rear?

[BRUTUS]

they unload off road. get on a side hill and the upside ones can unload. sometimes it doesnt matter but if you are close to putting it on its side it can toss you over.

its not only fullsize rigs, ive heard of people w/ baby jeeps and toys having these effects also. might be a bit more for a full size rigs just b/c they are heavier and more prone to this happening.

I had to read your post about 8 times until it made sense. The "unload" verbage is what I find confusing. When I think of unload... it refers to springs in my mind. I think a better term would be "sheer unload" where the shackle opens laterally (sidehill) and allows the body to move laterally with respect to the axle right? I get it now.

Well, rest assured, if those are the only problems you have with revolvers, my design will exceed expectations. I am 100% positive mine would not unload (sheer) regardless of the angle of sidehill. I wish I could post pictures to show the concept... but without non-disclosure agreements... nope.

[Twinpinion]

The gains in articulation are not worth the drawbacks of the wacky shackles on anything but a ramp champ. For a real wheeling rig you'll have a locker or two anyway so it doesn't matter if you lift a tire a little. Build a simple suspension that works and forget about widgets.

[DAHoyle]

In any case, shackles are a poor choice for a lift, other than just a very small amount, Can get an AAL kit for just a few pennies more than extended shackles.

[sjlplat]

A few things about revolvers, IMO:

1. They do unload. I've watched them unload on inclines, causing a near end-over-end roll.

2. All the droop in the world isn't going to help you one bit. If your sagging side doesn't have any weight on it, you're not getting traction on that side anyways. A well designed suspension will actually force the opposing side downward when one side is forced up, causing increased traction on the side of the axle that is drooping. Revolvers don't do that.