FSJ T-Shirt Warning

[Millerluck]

My wife orderd me this T-Shirt from these guys on 7-27-06 for my B-day.

http://www.generaljeep.com/aj/2520_1976_JEEP_LINE.htm

No shirt, and they won't answer any E-mails.

My wife is flipping out. Somehow they twised a Visa payment into a paypal transaction. We can't go after them unless we cancel our Pay-pal acount (so says Pay-pal), which then screws up our E-Bay account.....And on and on.

This is for $26.22. Not really something you can spend a lot of effort and time to run down.

So...Long story short stay away from generaljeep.com

We are going to try and keep contacting them.
Wish us luck.

Thanks for letting us rant.

The Millers

[Jeep4myBoys]

Thanks for the tip, and too bad, that looks like a nice shirt.

[fulsizjeep]

thanks for the warning... they don't know Wagoneers too well huh?

http://www.generaljeep.com/aj/2509_WAGONEER_62.htm

:confused:

[trailsforus]

Buisnesses should learn to not mess with people...especially people on these forums. We are large in power. I have no doubt these guys will not mess you over once everyone on these forums sends some e-mails...good luck with clearing up everything.


-Dillon

[Deus]

**** company, thanks for the heads up.

[janie]

Larry,

Thanks for the heads up. $26.00 is alot of denero for a t-shirt. Hopefully they'll make good on this. If not, hangin is still legal in Texas and I've got plenty of rope.

[Big_John]

I don't know if this will help, but here's some contact info about the website owner.

Registrant:
iRapture.com
2933 E. Richards Row
Tucson, Arizona 85716
United States

Registered through: iRapture.com
Domain Name: GENERALJEEP.COM
Created on: 08-Mar-04
Expires on: 08-Mar-07
Last Updated on: 04-Jul-05

Administrative Contact:
Barr, Jacob info@irapture.com
iRapture.com
2933 E. Richards Row
Tucson, Arizona 85716
United States
5208818488 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Barr, Jacob info@irapture.com
iRapture.com
2933 E. Richards Row
Tucson, Arizona 85716
United States
5208818488 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.IRAPTURE.NET
NS2.IRAPTURE.NET

[Big_John]

His residence and phone number.

Barr, Jacob
2933 E Richards Row
Tucson, AZ 85716

520-881-8488

[CowKiller]

note to self, dont piss off big john.

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

Big_John, how in the world did you get all that?!? Thats amazing...or am I just slow?

EDIT: this is post #258 for me

[trailsforus]

Its all public domain....:p



-Dillon

[FSJ Guy]

Contact your CC company. They can cancel payment.

[Poley]

Thanks for the tip, and too bad, that looks like a nice shirt.

that is what I was thinking..

[letank]

if think you can fill w the postmater general for mail fraud... there is a web site somewhere.....

i bid on an ebay gear for $9 a few years back add $3 for mail... the OEM part was $60..... after a few weeks.... no part, no possibility of neg feedback w ebay.... account was suspended.... filled w the ebay fair trade... and they the postmaster general... this seller was in canada.... got the $12 3 or 4 months later. It was not for the $12 but for the principles....


http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/misc/postal/using_services.htm

http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/MailFraudComplaint.htm

where should we deliver the tar and feathers

[Millerluck]

Wow. Big_John

My wife works for a Credit union our CC is through. She doesn't want her employer to soak it up.

Thanks everyone

Larry

[Tad]

About a mile from my house Larry :thumbsup:

[Bama Burden]

sick 'em Tad http://www.caos4x4.com/cmbs/Smileys/default/bangtard.gif (javascript:void(0);)

[Casey]

About a mile from my house Larry :thumbsup:

Yeah Tad tow your wag over there and park it in front of his house. See how he likes the view 24/7.



Get it...tow your wag.:lol:

[Big_John]

I searched a little more and it looks like Mr. Barr owns IRapture.com, a web hosting company. I looked at that site and he may be registering and managing domain names for others.

If he turns out not to be "General Jeep", I would pressure him for as much information as possible. As he owns the domain name, he has some, if not all responsibility for what goes on there.

[Tad]

sick 'em Tad http://www.caos4x4.com/cmbs/Smileys/default/bangtard.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)

Well, I'll swing by for a look to start.
That's sort of a ramshackle neighborhood down by the Humane Society, mostly trailers and older delapidated stuff. Might not even be a real place.

[joe]

Yeah Tad tow your wag over there and park it in front of his house. See how he likes the view 24/7.
Get it...tow your wag.:lol:
Yeah the pretty one. The Tilemobile Wag. :)

[PlumCrazy]

Larry,

Thanks for the heads up. $26.00 is alot of denero for a t-shirt. Hopefully they'll make good on this. If not, hangin is still legal in Texas and I've got plenty of rope.

Wow Janie is quick with the rope...but before we start looking for a tall tree and a skittish horse how about the forum as a whole start emailing this sucker and let him know how we feel about people who don't fulfill deals

MajorJeep@generaljeep.com

I'm firing off one along with the link to this forum so he/she/it can decide if they want to piss off a large group like this one.

Wayne S

[Tad]

Sounds like a very prudent first step Wayne.
Done.

I would ask folks not to use profanity or get out of line, there is still power in numbers when presented at the correct place, time and in an appropriate manner. Also, in essence, you are also representing Larry and IFSJA.
Thanks,

[PlumCrazy]

How about this Tad

To whom it may concern

One of our own had ordered a T-shirt from your company back in July and has yet to receive the product.
He has voiced his concern to our 11,000+ members of the International Full Size Jeep Association http://www.ifsja.org/ (http://www.ifsja.org/) over the lack of response to his emails and the questionability to fulfill his order.
Now we may not be the largest group to order from your establishment, but we also belong to many smaller localized four wheel drive groups as well as custom cars/bikes/trucks clubs. Most of us have families who also belong to groups that may be influenced not to procure any product you sell.

A simple T-shirt may not affect your bottom-end, but literally tens of thousands of potential customers who will not purchase from your business might be something to concider.

Thank you
Wayne S

[janie]

Very well said Tad. E-mail sent.

[Gambler68]

watch out for cake flinging hooligans, Tad! :D

[Tad]

LOL Ryan, thanks.
That looks fine Wayne concise, efficient, to the point.
Thanks

[DerekTJeep]

Where is honest business practice those days???

[91G-Dub]

E-mail sent, let's see what happens now.

[orangecherokee]

i'm writing one just for the hell of it. :D

edit: I'm proud of myself.

You are a jackass. Thanks for ripping off a fellow jeeper by not delivering a t-shirt that you sold in July. I will never buy a single thing from you and will suggest the same to others. You will be permanately affixed into my signature for all to read that your are a scam artist. We help one another not rip each other off. You should be ashamed. Please go drown your sorrows in a glass of bleach.

[Millerluck]

Well we got an E-mail back! Today!



"My sincerest apologies -- I have been out of the country for about 6 weeks and will be moving to another state this coming weekend -- hope this explains some of the delay -- I will be attempting to fulfill your order as soon as humanly possible.

Again, my apologies.

Thank you,
Ted
"



I love this place. :D :D :D

Thanks

Larry

[2nd Day]

Wow, but wheres the tshirt is what I wanna know!

note to self, dont piss off big john.

X2! ;)

[PlumCrazy]

Ahhh yes...feel the power of numbers or as a wise man once saidwe have the amps, you have the numbers...there's strength in numbers!

well he could have been a wise man

Wayne S

[trailsforus]

Maybe I am cynical but thats it? Some BS excuse? I would push for a refund or atleast some free stuff thrown in. If he really was sorry (as he should be) he would have offered you something other than the shirt you paid for. I guess he thinks you should just be happy to get it? :confused:



-Dillon

[Millerluck]

I think its a poor excuse too. I just think its great he finally E-mailed us back less then 24 hours after we posted it here.

He'll probly send me a small just to be a butthead.

Power in numbers!

Thanks

Larry

[Tad]

http://members.cox.net/tadsal/Junk/2933ERichardsrow.JPG
I was about 1 block off in my mapquest search.
2933 E. Richards Row

This is a moderatly exclusive neighborhood here known as "Winterhaven".
I understand we can not directly connect the seller to the ISP info, but no one here looks to be moving soon, like this weekend at any rate.
I must say the lack of the traditional front door for this area is a bit odd.
Keep me posted Larry, it's quick trip there.
I'll keep tabs tomorrow and over the weekend, but I doubt an ISP is being run out of that address, but who knows what goes on behind closed doors.

[JeremySmith]

http://members.cox.net/tadsal/Junk/2933ERichardsrow.JPG


Looks like a good place for an impromptu wrench-a-thon.

[Bob Barry]

http://members.cox.net/tadsal/Junk/2933ERichardsrow.JPG
I was about 1 block off in my mapquest search.
2933 E. Richards Row

This is a moderatly exclusive neighborhood here known as "Winterhaven".
I understand we can not directly connect the seller to the ISP info, but no one here looks to be moving soon, like this weekend at any rate.
I must say the lack of the traditional front door for this area is a bit odd.
Keep me posted Larry, it's quick trip there.
I'll keep tabs tomorrow and over the weekend, but I doubt an ISP is being run out of that address, but who knows what goes on behind closed doors.

Include that picture in your next e-mail to him, and tell him that you have friends who live nearby who will "help him move". :)

[J10_Jimbo]

Like that excuse, now if his back was hurt I would think it was Never_2_high in disguise. E-mail sent though, hope it helps.

[Millerluck]

LOL

You guys are to much!

Can you get in trouble for taking a pic of someone's house?

My wife is totaly amazed at the response from the great people here.

Thanks

Larry

[fulsizjeep]

:whistle: Heh, I sent my email today and been watching this...

Tad, that is just awesome! <click> :thumbsup:

<ding> I think the popcorn is ready too! :p

[91G-Dub]

LOL

You guys are to much!

Can you get in trouble for taking a pic of someone's house?

My wife is totaly amazed at the response from the great people here.

Thanks

Larry

Yeah well let's just wait and see a pic of you wearing the t-shirt before we all break our arms patting ourselves on the back.

[Blinkinlights]

Sent my email tonight. Good luck with it.

Greg

[Tad]

Can you get in trouble for taking a pic of someone's house?

I would hope not :eek:
I certianly do not intend or advocate any ill will towards anyone.
Realtors take pic's all the time, so do artists, reporters, I'm sure there are others.
There's no address sign visible.
It could be any house on any street in any (well almost) city.

[JeremySmith]

Can you get in trouble for taking a pic of someone's house?


As long as you're not tresspassing onto private property - you can pretty much take pictures of whatever you want:thumbsup:

[Jeep4myBoys]

As long as you're not tresspassing onto private property - you can pretty much take pictures of whatever you want:thumbsup:

Yep. I'm a real estate appraiser, I've been chased out of neighborhoods before, and confronted by property owners (the most interesting was Jesse James when I was taking pictures of his bike shop in Long Beach, CA), and definately questioned by police when taking pictures of banks and government buildings. Bottom line is, don't go on the property and you can take pictures of whatever you want that you can see from public property.

[funwheeling]

Looks like a good place for an impromptu wrench-a-thon.

wrench-a-thon Rave!!!:dancingbanana::alc:
Think about it...no oil spots on the driveway with all that gravel. Who's bringing the music?

[Thumpszilla]

Why not just have the wrench-a-thon on his front lawn? Hope you get your shirt man.

[Ed Jack]

Me, I'm hoping this was just a slightly unprofessional misstep by the vendor, looks like he's got some cool Jtruck shirts.

(although, they look like they may have been made from old Advertisements, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that he hasn't licensed them)

[Big_John]

Well we got an E-mail back! Today!



"My sincerest apologies -- I have been out of the country for about 6 weeks and will be moving to another state this coming weekend -- hope this explains some of the delay -- I will be attempting to fulfill your order as soon as humanly possible.

Again, my apologies.

Thank you,
Ted
"



I love this place. :D :D :D

Thanks

Larry

In other words, "I've been in jail and I'm leaving the state before they find out about anything else"

[goldhammer]

ROFLMAO:D

[brent]

Whatever became of the Great Tshirt Fiasco?

[Millerluck]

Still no shirt! :banghead:

I don't think I'll ever get it.

Larry

[AMX factor]

Geez my FSJ shirts are cheaper and I have most in stock!

<note to oneself ship ifsja members their shirts ultra fast>

[Jeep4myBoys]

Well AMX - where can we see pictures. I looked at your ebay store and only saw the AMC shirt. What else ya got?

[johnwaynejeep2]

don't feel too bad. I recently paid $150 for a factory technical service manual and received a 2000 page xeroxed manual with holes punched in it that probably cost about $40 to reproduce and ship. At least the information is there and legible.

[AMX factor]

Jeep4myboys - I am adding all the designs this weekend to the store. I have about 4 dozen shirts I need to get rid of. I am making a "distressed" look FSJ logo shirt.

[Millerluck]

AMX factor. I still ware my Only In A Full Size Jeep shirt with pride. I've gotton allot of comments on it over the years. Great shirt!

I'll be checking out your stuff on E-bay when you get it set up.

Larry

[j20brett]

i think its time to send an email with the pic attached...he could use some help "moving" lol!:thumbsup:

[Millerluck]

After 8 months and 1 week the shirt is finally here!:eek:

I think they waited until the cotton grew then was made into a shirt.

Larry

[Blinkinlights]

Holy crap!

And they say there's no customer service anymore. :(


Greg

[ohioj20]

the link says "unofficial jeep graphics"

Also, did you read the fine print

1. Shipping in United States and Canada by USPS Priority Mail. To all International by Air Mail.
2. Please Allow 3 Weeks for processing and delivery.
3. International Orders Welcome

I think there was a typo for the "allow 3 weeks" should be "allow AT LEAST 3 months, if not more"

[jeepguzzi]

They probably had to customize it by adding 8" to the length so ya didn't go around looking like a back-up dancer for Brittany Spears.:D

[jessevargas]

Jeep4myboys - I am adding all the designs this weekend to the store. I have about 4 dozen shirts I need to get rid of. I am making a "distressed" look FSJ logo shirt.

I saved you on my fav sellers.
Looking forward to seeing some of your shirts.:thumbsup:

[75J20]

if think you can fill w the postmater general for mail fraud... there is a web site somewhere.....

i bid on an ebay gear for $9 a few years back add $3 for mail... the OEM part was $60..... after a few weeks.... no part, no possibility of neg feedback w ebay.... account was suspended.... filled w the ebay fair trade... and they the postmaster general... this seller was in canada.... got the $12 3 or 4 months later. It was not for the $12 but for the principles....


http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/misc/postal/using_services.htm

http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/MailFraudComplaint.htm

where should we deliver the tar and feathers
I had given a negative feedback on a transaction when i received a product that was claimed to be new but received a used and damaged surfboard. The seller gave me a negative feedback as a buyer to try to get me to remove my feedback. He attacked me personally in his comments by saying i was a bad ebayer & not to do business with me (i only stated what i received and didn't get personal) so thinking you're going to show him is a waste of time. File a dispute with ebay and they will attempt to contact them. If they do not respond you can then also elevate the dispute to a claim and i think after 30 more days if they refuse to reply or work with you they side with you. Ebay will get your money back if they have and open account with money in it. Good luck.

[Tad]

After 8 months and 1 week the shirt is finally here!:eek:


You are freakin' kidding me?

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

I think they waited until the cotton grew then was made into a shirt.

They wanted to make sure it was fresh!

[Millerluck]

You are freakin' kidding me?

Nope I have a post marked envelope it came in. Dated 3-27-07.

Jeepguzzi I'm not even gona respond.

I'm not gona take it off or wash it for the next 8 months and 1 week...I've got some catching up to do.:thumbsup:

Larry