New J20 owner and new member from South East Asia

[JavaJeep]

Hi all y'all

Greetings from Jakarta

I'm an Aussie stuck in Indonesia for the last 7 yrs and took up off roading to stop myself going Troppo

The latest addition to the collection is a locally assembled RHD 1982 J20 for project work (hauling around aircraft spares and equipment)

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgAVA3MURc0jD1waw8RL3riyQltvol9ITvorjefpJO4Igzy67 Y11xVsKuNNgglu6Y!07DP9ZEbNENLiYIVPT0oBs4xgXGAYGxaS an4QVcRlWFrtkEd4htg/J20%201982%20a.jpg

I took it off road for a laugh the other day and got it stuck in a metre of mud , the only thing that could pull it out was a Willys running a 258 cu in 6cyl

Specs as far as I can tell are

258 6cyl
T18A 4 speed and NP203 ? transfer case
D44 front and full floater D60 rear
8 lug hubs - never seen these on a non military Jeep before

The wish list for future mods includes

~ 360 V8 (401s dont exist here , 360s are easy to find , should bolt in if I remember correctly)
~ Roll cage in the rear tray
~ Snorkel
~ 16 inch rims
~ 36.5x16 Simex Extreme Trekkers
~ Snorkel exhaust behind the cab
~ Borg Warner overdrive
~ New front bumper and winch mount
~ and do soemething with the paint
~ Lockers

A PO put 15" rims on it which is a bit dangerous as they JUST clear the front calipers , did this model originally have 16" rims ?

Also there's an oil cooler on it , is this a factory option or aftermarket ?

There aren't too many J20s down here , some ex army M715s is about it

I'd be interested in finding a standard spec and options web page for the J20 to learn a bit more about it

I've also attached a photo of my Willys Jeep

[UKJeeper]

Welcome from the Mother country. I'm just here to keep a watch on all the colonials, so you will fit right in...

[JavaJeep]

Nothing wrong with being a colonial :-)

Only the best and brightest got exported haha

Thanks UKJeeper

[Bama Burden]

It has a brow, but you say it's an '82? Is that definitely the year?

[janie]

Welcome from TX! Beautiful truck and yup you've got a brow.:thumbsup: She's an 80 model or older.

[J10_Jimbo]

Didn't know mud came in meters, thought those were for parking?

Welcome to the insanity...

[tgreese]

Welcome from Boston!

The 258 to 360 swap is harder than you might think. The length of the V8 and I6 are different, so this is made up by using transmissions with different input shaft lengths and a larger or smaller spacer between the transmission and bellhousing. Look here for pictures of a V8 T-18 with a V8 spacer http://www.jeeptech.com/wiki/index.php/Transmission/Factory/T-18

Lots of other stuff is different - frame mounts, radiator core support, other stuff. If you search the old posts, you'll find this topic comes up a lot.

JMO - keep the 258.

8-lug is typical here for light trucks with a GVWR above about 7000 lbs.

I'd also think twice about the overdrive. What's your axle ratio?

[Bama Burden]

Welcome from TX! Beautiful truck and yup you've got a brow.:thumbsup: She's an 80 model or older.
yeah i'd say she's a '79

[talntar]

and no locking hubs?????????


btw great looking truck by any standerd

[badaboom]

Welcome to the Rockin World of the IFSJA.

Good luck with your Projects.

Appears definately to be a bit wet and muddy in your neck of the Woods via your PICS.

[KaiserMan]

Welcome. That’s a nice looking J20.

As others have said, the brow on the cab and the grille would make this truck a 79, though it is very possible that these styling points ran longer in the foreign market then they did domestically.

Your J20 would have come with 16.5" wheels originally. 16.5x6 3/4" with 4 3/4" of backspacing to be exact.

Transfer case is either a Dana 20 (if the front differential is on the drivers side) or NP208 (if the differential is on the passengers side).

[baja]

Nice looking truck!
Looks like fun play area.
What are the tires on the Willys? What size? They look pretty agressive.
Welcome to the group.
baja

[J10Mike]

Welcome aboard JavaJeep.

[2nd Day]

Welcome to the board! We get more international every day!

[Kali]

judging by that grille and brow that truck has to be either a 79 or 80, not an 82.

could we get a pic of the right hand drive?

[bigun]

Great looking truck!!!!!!

[J4GRAND]

Transfer case is either a Dana 20 (if the front differential is on the drivers side) or NP208 (if the differential is on the passengers side).
You got that backwards KaiserMan- Dana 20 with a passenger side drop and NP208 with a drivers drop.

JavaJeep- Welcome to the madness. Post your Vehicle ID Number when you get a chance so we can accurately determine the build year of the J20. But like the others have said; the brow over the windshield and the grille would indicate a 79 or 80 model.

[backpack09]

Nothing usefull to add, besides your windshield wipers look kinda wonky.

[Lake Norman Woody]

Nice Jeeps & Welcome be safe over there as that area seems to be having a lot of weather related issues...

[j20brett]

nice jeep. good luck with the future mods!

[JavaJeep]

"What are the tires on the Willys? What size? They look pretty agressive"

The tires are Simex Extreme Trekker 32"x9.5"x15"

Actually although they are stated as 32" they are actually 33.5" with full tread for some weird reason

They're made in Malaysia and retail for about US$140 each , nearly as good as a Swamper but half the price (Swampers work better on slippery angled trails , the Simex tends to slip sideways a bit more)

[JavaJeep]

Pic of the right hand drive with a bonus of the driver thrown in

By the way I grew up with RHD in Australia , to be honest I prefer to drive a Jeep from the left side (the Willys is LHD my other 2 Jeeps are RHD) except overtaking can get interesting , you have to have a trusted spotter in the passenger seat or use the road shoulder on the left (no road rules here)

[Bama Burden]

So is that front differential on the driverside or passenger side? Or would you mind giving the vin#

BTW, Kaiserman is right cause of the steering being on the other side

[JavaJeep]

Differential is on the left hand side

I'll post the VIN tomorrow

[Kali]

Nice!

Id love to get a FSJ to match my mother's RHD cherokee

[88GWSteve]

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=1140&d=1153918733

That's insane. I dont think I've ever seen a puddle like that before.

BTW- does your area have mostly red dirt/mud? cause i think thats pretty cool

[AnnieL]

Greetings from the Mojave Desert of California...and...
WELCOME TO THE MADNESS! :D
(Nice rig ya have there!)

[J10-401]

I'd bet that export models built 'locally' could have a liberal mix of previous year parts that would otherwise be wasted. Possible? So it may be a year or so 'newer' than the last year of the brow.

[shackwrrr]

welcome to the madness i have a 79 j20. the reason it had 8 lug is because its a 3/4 ton

[JavaJeep]

"BTW- does your area have mostly red dirt/mud? cause i think thats pretty cool"

You're going to love this then ....

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid210/p7b3642e606e3f79eec7ed0fa41bc872f/edcdb16d.jpg

The Willys is actually reversing in that pic (I'm using the side mirror to back up) thanks to a Detroit Locker in the rear and a LockRight up front (its a pig to steer as there is no power steering)

and a few more

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RADdAgsTU2uPv6EHDn4ETkinPEw2Xr6ap2bzhYgibKQlc5sj6 UfkIGsomuWyinbCi5WV3IIBPZ1mpJZZfAjomjdGt7NC2rsWY!r clB0KS2U/DCP01577.JPG

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid210/pb974b4b1f96171efef3b4fd7131b21ef/edcdabdf.jpg



The mud comes in all colors , the one thing that's constant is it's 'industrial strength' and there's no shortage of it including the occasional patch of quicksand

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/p4d32a3ae4d3f85ed19e35d84a27db37a/f9f687e2.jpg




More Indo Jeep photos here

http://groups.msn.com/javajeep/shoebox.msnw

That mud gets into everything ... check out the attached photo of the J20s starter. The clutch got so much mud in it that when it dried up it snapped off the throwout lever spigot off the bellhousing ... should be running again today

[bigun]

Dang Bart sees these pics he'll be wanting to load all the rigs on a ship and go down there and play in the mud!!!!

[Lindel]

That is a beautiful truck. Welcome to the site, and you've got some fellow Aussie's around.

[Casey]

Nothing wrong with being a colonial :-)

Only the best and brightest got exported haha

Thanks UKJeeper
Exported or just plain..r u n n o f t! The rest of the good ones went to Australia. :D

Nice looking rig JavaJeep. I live in the land of red clay (SC) looks very similar.

Thanks for the overseas wheelin' pics!!!

[RicoBlaster]

Not fair! I have to go to Indonesia to find a J-truck in that nice of shape???


Welcome! :)

[JavaJeep]

The Willys is a bit of a 'babe machine' especially with the windscreen down , my lady friends love it

The J20 gets the opposite reaction - everyone seems terrified of it and no one will ride in it (except my German Shephard and Phantom my psycho Husky , they LOVE the J20 and prefer the J20 to the Willys)

It's even got air cond and electric bucket seats but no takers

changing the topic slightly how much difference in all round performance is the 360 compared to the 258 ? Is it worth the effort ?

[Bama Burden]

The 258 can be built to have plenty of torque, which is what most of us are after to push these bricks around. Of course, there's no replacement for displacement, so the 360 can always be built to have much more power than any 258 will give you. IMO, I don't think the swap is worth it though I have never done it;) . Do a search for "258 stroker". This is mod that is supposed to be packed with torque. Also maybe search for "4.0 head swap". Good luck

[JavaJeep]

Some other questions

1. The rear has a spring over with 2" spacers, is that standard ?

2. Front axle code - underneath the pumpkin

620544
K01
11 79 - so looks like its a 1979 model J20 not 1982 as the registartion papers say or the '82 Indo J20s used NOS parts

3. Rear axle codes

0-30255
D60

and there's a tag on the diff (LSD ?) and the weird thing is a rubber bung for topping up the oil with ' spicer ' moulded into it

4. Diff ratio ?

VIN is KDOP46A011595 the last 6 numbers are the same as the engine number JOO 011595

The engine has the following numbers cast into the block

32277445
H2
D8
I or 1 8 - cant read it clearly

The J20 was assembled by PT Indonesian Service Company

The registration book says 1982 but for older vehicles they are wrong 90% of the time ( my willys is listed as a 1944 CJ5 hehe)

[Lindel]

Most of the headaches for a 258 to 360 swap come in the adpatation of support items, like the radiator, moving the battery tray and radiator supports to make room for said radiator, the engine mounts and so forth.

The rubber bung is normal, the front would be a HD Dana 44, rear is a Dana 60, the tag on the rear diff should have the gear ratio and tell you if it's a LSD.

Rear axle is SOA, but I'm not sure about the 2" spacers, that sounds like an add on, but I might be wrong. Jeeps on state side have a passenger side front diff (passenger on the right side, of course ;) ) from the beginning up to 79, and from 80 on, driver's side. If it's a 79 or older, then it should have a Dana 20 or a QuadraTrac transfer case. If it's 80 or newer, then a NP208 transfer case.

Since you know you've got a NP208 then it's probably an 82.

[Bama Burden]

1. Yes the spring-over is standard but someone prolly stuck the 2" block in there for an easy lift

2. Dana 44 axle

3. Dana 60 with limited slip differential

The rest should be answered by someone more learned than myself. That VIN is a strange one to me. I see a "46" which denotes J-20.

edit: is the t-case aluminum?

[JavaJeep]

is the t-case aluminum?

yes , aluminium , its not a Dana 20 , I have enough of those lying around to spot one , its these aluminium ones I know nothing about

I just wiped 20 years of crud of the transfer case and found thats its an NP 208 AM , 2.6:1 ratio manufactured 08-05-1980

The D60 is a limited slip unit but no ratio on the tag , I'll have to count the turns manually on a jack stand

[JavaJeep]

Jeeps on state side have a passenger side front diff (passenger on the right side, of course ;) ) from the beginning up to 79, and from 80 on, driver's side. .

USA Drivers side - the D44 front pumpkin is on the left

[KaiserMan]

You got that backwards KaiserMan- Dana 20 with a passenger side drop and NP208 with a drivers drop.

JavaJeep- Welcome to the madness. Post your Vehicle ID Number when you get a chance so we can accurately determine the build year of the J20. But like the others have said; the brow over the windshield and the grille would indicate a 79 or 80 model.

I was waiting for someone to point this out. Since his Jeep is RHD it's backwards for him.

[jeepdriver99]

You got that backwards KaiserMan- Dana 20 with a passenger side drop and NP208 with a drivers drop.

Even if it's a right hand drive???

[fulsizjeep]

Sweet! Welcome to the insanity from top of the world! :D

Ahhh, you have an 80 model based on US standards. It is the last year for the brow cab. You should have a NP208 transfer case.

I got in the muck once in the Everglades. No more of that mess for me. I git on top of mountains and slick rock now. :thumbsup:

Top of the world:
http://frontier.net/~mystkblu/06ouray/giterdun/ontopimogene1.jpg

[JavaJeep]

To be honest I prefer rolling in mud to rolling on rock

Hat's off to you guys :-)

[Casey]

is the t-case aluminum?

yes , aluminium , its not a Dana 20 , I have enough of those lying around to spot one , its these aluminium ones I know nothing about

I just wiped 20 years of crud of the transfer case and found thats its an NP 208 AM , 2.6:1 ratio manufactured 08-05-1980

The D60 is a limited slip unit but no ratio on the tag , I'll have to count the turns manually on a jack stand

Java,
Quite often there is a tag on the front diff cover that will have the ratio on it. It will have a series of #s that will most likely tell you in plain english say 3.73 plus another series ending in XXXX-XXXX-41-11...
http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/jeeps/files/Users/casey/truetracratio.jpg
If the tag is gone, simply pull the cover and turn the ring gear until the same #s are visible and divide the last series of numbers, larger # by the smaller and that will tell you the ratio without a doubt.

I'll bet it's 3.73 or 4.09.

[drlocke]

Welcome to the madness! Nice truck! :thumbsup:

[tgreese]

The casting numbers off the engine don't tell you a lot. There is a build date stamped into the engine block below and between the #2 and #3 spark plugs.
http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10409&stc=1&d=1147396794

[rustywagoneers_com]

Welcome!

FSJ's RULE!

btw.. if you find any of these little funny looking things like my avatar... by all means, feel free to pop them in an envelope and send them to me postage due...

peace
Dave

[JavaJeep]

A bit of progress

~ I repainted the engine hood flat black and the grill gloss black , basically the J20 will be matt black above the white stripe , the white stripe may be changed to grey , then a deep blue and then gloss black on the body curve and fender flares , also the tailgate is going to be flat black , the baby blue on the tailgate is the original color

~ ripped out the damp smelling carpets and put in industrial rubber mats

~ fabricated a rear bumper and tow point out of 2 pieces of U channel

~ gerry rigged the ignition wiring temporarily (after a small electrical BBQ under the dash) until I design and install a new electrical system , dual batteries are going to be installed behind the RHS of the cab in a tool locker and passenger seat combo under the roll cage , relays , fuses , battery isolators and anything sensitive and electrical is going into the passenger cab , I want this J20 to ford at least 3 feet of water without a hick-up

~ power windows working again

~ added 3 x 2" cooling holes in the side of the fenders , I also did this on my Willys a few years back , it completely solved a vapor lock problem I had on the Willys (90 - 100 deg F here with humidity in the 80's and 90's most days , it doesnt get below 75 deg here even at night) , the Willys is in the middle of it's first overhaul since it was built in January 2001

~ hydraulic boom crane installed in the back for lifting heavy Jeep engines and the odd turbo-prop or helicopter engine (part of my job is selling used heavy heli spares as well as used industrial equipment)

Now working on a front bumper with M715 A style tow frame which will have a tube frame welded behind it so it also functions as a stinger , roll bar for behind the cab , snorkel intake and snorkel exhaust

None of my Jeeps have a radio other than a transceiver so this will be my first jeep with a small mp3 player , an amp and a couple of waterproof outdoor speakers

Also the plastic grill will be going for a home fabricated Rhino style grill and 4 headlights

The J20 is going to be my daily driver and Willys support vehicle when I start doing off road adventure competition again (when I finish building these 3 Jeeps and have some cash !) , basically these competitions are 1 or 2 weeks and 400 to 600 miles through the jungle ... unbelievably great fun

[Elliott]

Those off road aventures are pretty cool, hope you post up some pics after you run it.

[fulsizjeep]

Thanks for sharing! :thumbsup: The door panels are an interesting design. I would like to see more on how you vented the 3 2" holes through the fenders. Good luck on your impending competition!

[wangoneer]

Very nice truck!:thumbsup:
In your original pic on page #1, how are the front tow hooks attached?
Thanks

[Spock]

That's one nice looking truck there!

I was all worried here in Canada about finding parts for the Jeep, but since you're in Indonesia I really have no excuse. Just wondering, what are the gas prices there?

[JavaJeep]

Gas prices range from for $1.85 - $2.50 a US gallon for 87 octane to 98 Octane , they have just started to introduce unleaded fuel here last year as well as compulsary seat belt use for front seat passengers (in Jakarta only)

The fuel price was doubled last year and 7 yrs ago it was 60 cents to 80 cents a gallon (Indonesia is the only Opec member in Asia)

The tow hooks were just bolted to the bumper frame in typical witch doctor engineering here , I've taken them off until I build the new bumper , they were just dangerous

Some of the stuff they do here is lethal , I LUCKILY cracked a windscreen on my other Willys when someone sat on it (folded forward) and it was house glass ! I checked the windscreen on the other Willys ... house glass also ... both windscreens have been replaced with proper automotive glass

[wangoneer]

Yikes!:eek:
Scary stuff. Looks like I'll keep saving for that custom bumper with towpoints.:drivin:

[JavaJeep]

Work done so far

~ Changed the 33" x 12.5" Saverro's for the 32" x 9.5" Simex extreme trekkers off my Willys . The Saverros here have a reputation of exploding and the FRH side tire blew at 50 mph , cant afford 36" Swampers yet
~ New wiring , dual batteries , battery isolator , 4 headlights
~ Wrangler starter motor
~ 2.25" stainless exhaust
~ Tool box
~ Roll bar

Having big problems with the Carter carb running rich after the engine gets warm , waiting for a new old stock one at the moment that a guy reckons his 'mate' has . Cant afford EFI or other exotics

This J20 was parked for 4 years and EVERY rubber hose has perished so going through and replacing everything with braided stainless steel lines (new and used aircraft surplus) , tyres also dont like being parked for long periods and I suspect that being parked and flat for 4 years caused the casing to delaminate

Building a new dashboard for the J20 as I HATE the standard plastic dash

I dont want to build a show truck but something tough and reliable as my daily drive

[bigun]

Great looking truck! We all moan and complain how hard it is to find parts here it must really suck over there! Dash looks good what guages are you putting in it?

[JavaJeep]

Parts for a J20 is hard here as there are only a dozen or so in Jakarta and probably 50 or so in the country

I got my first Jeep in 2000 just after I arrived here and there was a lot of new or good useable parts for Willys , M715 , J20 and Cj7 which were surplus (or probably stolen) from the Indonesian Army but these are now drying up just recently as the Jeeps were been replaced by Mercedes and Land Rovers 10 years ago .

I've ordered items from the US before and was lucky on some items only paying 5% or 10% duty (Detroit locker and lockright for my Willys) and then I got stung for $700 duty on a $1,000 overdrive for a Dana 18 (supposedly a prohibited import and they threatened to confiscate it) so I'm a bit more cautious now and freight is never less than $100 to $200.

There's still a lot of civilian and ex military CJ7s here so 258 parts can be obtained except for starter motors and carb kits , I've changed the starter to a new reduction geared unit from a Wrangler and the carb will probably get swapped for a 2 barrel Weber carb off a mid 80s Australian built Ford Falcon 250 cu in 6cyl (they still build Falcons in Australia)

I cant get a front oil seal for the D60 , windscreens ($400 to get one made) and there arent any carb kits available at the moment but I can probably pick these up when I go to Sydney in April

Gauges , I used the original J20 speedo , aftermarket gauges are water temp , oil pressure , tachometer , fuel pressure (I have this on my willys and it is a great item for trouble shooting or spotting a developing problem) ammeter and fuel

Having said all of this the J20 is a great all round truck and worth the effort , it handles the beat up roads here , you sit up high above the traffic , the Jakarta bus drivers give it room and the local lunatics on motorcycles are terrified of it. Everything is heavy duty and its a really unique truck here . It wont be a real off road truck as its too wide and heavy for Java's jungle tracks but its great for moving helicopter engines , APUs and other aircraft bits and pieces and I can still pick someone up from the airport with it and also use it as a service and crew truck when I start getting back into off road safaris.

I'm coming the the US mid year so for sure I'm going to get a mountain of small things that they wont have in Australia also while I'm there

[bigun]

I knew they still made Falcons in Aus. sounds like you have a plan!

[The PIG Smith]

fuel pressure (I have this on my willys and it is a great item for trouble shooting or spotting a developing problem)

Welcome to the Madness from the midwest United States.

I like the idea of the fuel pressure gauge.
So, did you install fuel pressure sensor after the filter, but in front of the carb?
What does gauge under normal conditions? 6-8 PSI?

[JavaJeep]

Yep , after the filter and right at the carb before the needle and seat

I dont know what the pressure is yet for the J20 but on my willys I was running a purolator pressure regulator and it would normally run at 3 psi and under acceleration it would get down to 1/2 psi but the pump was undersized and I have a Holley blue to put in the Willys shortly

I'll post what pressures I'm getting in the J20 shortly

The good thing with a fuel pressure gauge is you can go straight to looking for an ignition problem if you have fuel pressure in 99% of cases , you can also spot blocked filters and of course the 5 minute warning to an empty gas tank (whose Jeep's fuel gauge actually works ? thats why we have Jerry cans)

For those of you that dont like the idea of a fuel line going into the cab you can mount it on a little binnacle on the outside of the windscreen , me I went for in the cab

Another useful gauge I use on my Willys is a manifold pressure gauge out of a WW2 P40 Kittyhawk fighter (I paid $5 for it 20yrs ago) where the speedo normally sits. With an MAP guage you can spot manifold leaks , throttle linkage problems , and even if the damper oil level is down on the SU carb I run on the F head (it will show an erratic MAP at idle when its normally reasonably stable) pic attached

[BRUTUS]

How did I miss this thread? Awesome truck! Nice brow :D They must not use mag chloride on the roads of Jakarta.

When are you going to put some 36" swampers on there? That would be awesome!

I love the guage panel... nice work. I am assuming it was hand fabricated?

Have you modified/enlarged the drain holes on the bottom of the cowls? I imagine that with the amount of rain you get there it could be a major problem or no problem at all. If there is debris inside the cowl and it soaks up the rain and holds it up against the cowl it will start to rust from the inside. On the flipside, since it is so rainy you probably don't have dead plant matter falling into the cowls anyways. Check this link out for a cowl modification that might be useful: http://tc.wagoneer.net/sblog/index.php?entry=entry061125-045830
A little ways down titled "Anti-Autumn"

Check out this thread for a killer snorkle buildup: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=57856

I like the fuel pressure guage idea. I might have to do that.

Seeing that truck in Jakarta and on the muddy trails makes me want to take Brutus over there. How much do you think it would be to ship? :D In post #44 I am the one on the far left. That picture was with 33" all terrains and a 4" lift, now I have 38" swampers and 10" lift... your mud looks like FUN!

You should put together a list of all the things that you want to get when you get to the US and post it here. Most likely we could get the stuff together before you get here. Just a thought. Where exactly in the US are you going to be?

[JavaJeep]

How did I miss this thread? Awesome truck! Nice brow :D They must not use mag chloride on the roads of Jakarta.?

Yes , not necessary as our snow comes pre melted

When are you going to put some 36" swampers on there? That would be awesome! ?

I'm starting a new business and so this is the shop truck , so when some projects and cash come in

How much lift is needed for 36" and would I need to cut and reweld the front axle tubes to keep the steering geometry correct ?

I love the guage panel... nice work. I am assuming it was hand fabricated??

Yes , a piece of scrap aluminium plate and some drilling and hole sawing , I can scan the finished dash panel (probably 2 JPEGS) and then post it as template if anyones interested later

The mount bracket you can see on the top of the dash with lots of holes in it is actually a brace from a passenger window roller blind off a Boeing .737-100 , I have lots of aircraft scrap laying around that I've collected which is light , strong , cheap and looks cool

Have you modified/enlarged the drain holes on the bottom of the cowls? I imagine that with the amount of rain you get there it could be a major problem or no problem at all. If there is debris inside the cowl and it soaks up the rain and holds it up against the cowl it will start to rust from the inside. On the flipside, since it is so rainy you probably don't have dead plant matter falling into the cowls anyways. Check this link out for a cowl modification that might be useful: http://tc.wagoneer.net/sblog/index.php?entry=entry061125-045830
A little ways down titled "Anti-Autumn"?

I have to look into this ...

Check out this thread for a killer snorkle buildup: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=57856?

Snorkels are a must here , reading that thread some of the guys here have done things like use modified waterrpoof distributors off military landrovers. One solution may be to build a housing around the distributor and then use M151 waterproof leads and plugs . I havent got round to this problem yet except to remove the 3 pin connector under the distributor and run 3 seperate leads , as soon as the slightest bit of water and dirt gets in that connector you have no ignition , I've seen it on EVERY stock CDI 258 here off roading

I like the fuel pressure guage idea. I might have to do that.?

Saves a lot of guess work , time pulling off snorkels or air cleaners and battery power and you get to understand your fuel system characteristics much better

Seeing that truck in Jakarta and on the muddy trails makes me want to take Brutus over there. How much do you think it would be to ship? :D In post #44 I am the one on the far left. That picture was with 33" all terrains and a 4" lift, now I have 38" swampers and 10" lift... your mud looks like FUN!?

I've had mud up to the headlights on the Willys , its crazy

You should put together a list of all the things that you want to get when you get to the US and post it here. Most likely we could get the stuff together before you get here. Just a thought. Where exactly in the US are you going to be?

Thanks for offering for shopping but thats half the fun :-) , I'd certainly appreciate being pointed in the right direction for the best places to go

New York State for a few days (I have a Willys friend there , not a big fan of New York) , Florida , Texas (Houston , Austin and Dallas) , LA , Montana (a customer of mine runs Billings flying service and his Puma heli was dressed up as the bad guy in one of the Rambo movies , Rambo II I think) , Nevada and Arizona and if I time it a little later may even try and see the Reno Air Races (something I think is totally insane). If I can time it right I'd love to spend 3 or 4 weeks travelling the country , buy a J or CJ Jeep in Texas do what I need to do and sell it or if I can swing it through indo cutoms break it down into parts and ship the good bits home

[Shaggin' Wagon]

I'm still drooling over the Willys. Someday.........

[shackwrrr]

wow I am glad you are still here I saw in the paper last week that jakarta was underwater you got a nice truck there

[JavaJeep]

I ended up swimming in over 6 ft of flood waters for 2 hours with a Jeep tire inner tube to help get an 18mth old baby and her mum out (my girlfriends younger sister) . Other than the filth floating in the water the scary thing was the 10 inch long x 1 inch wide centipedes swimming in the water looking for somewhere dry , which happened to be me !

One of the reasons the J20 is getting a snorkel intake and exhaust is these floods happen every year as 70% of Jakarta is at or below sea level , but this year was particularly bad and worse than the 2002 flood.

My Willys has both a snorkel intake and exhaust as well as a waterproof ignition system off an M38A1 so it is capable of operating in 3 feet of water with no problems

[bigun]

10 INCHES!!!!!!!

[johnwaynejeep2]

:eek: Boy you don't mess around, when you get stuck you make sure it's stuck! That looks like some real thick soup there too.

Beautiful rig by the way:thumbsup:

[JavaJeep]

New centre console underway , I'm using the centre control panel out of an old Shorts Skyvan SC7 twin turboprop

[Gambler68]

that console is awesome!! I really like how unlike in America, overseas builders scrounge from everywhere. What works, works!

[JavaJeep]

Haha , thanks .

I do find the US scene is a bit more catologue based , if I lived there I'd probably do the same

I actually started scrapping aircraft as a bit of a hobby as you can't buy decent bolts , metal or electrical wire here in Indo. I've got so much of it now (including braided aeroquip lines , AN fittings , steel cables etc) I just leased a 3,500 ft2 warehouse as I cant move in my garage now and I'll try and retail some of it to the local off roaders and racers while selling the good aircraft parts off to dealers and end users

The good thing about used aircraft components for automotive projects is it is top quality and super cheap if no longer usable for flying aircraft. The difficulty is finding a place that will let u pull parts or components . Turboprops dont have too much interesting stuff but any of the older commercial airliners have all sorts of goodies including resettable circuit breakers

[HeavyHauler]

Welcome aboard. Nice looking truck.

[bigun]

The difference is in the states you have people who collect aircraft especially the smaller prop jobs like we collect FSJs. Some of the nonspecific stuff you might be able to EBay. I remember back in high school my buddy and I spending time at the local military salvage store looking at the instrument panel out of a military jet trying to figure out how to incorporate the instruments into my 67 Mustang!

[JavaJeep]

Finally solved the Carter carb problem

Tracked down a KEM carb kit , had the carb rebuilt by a local carb shop , reset the ignition timing setting TDC with a dial gauge and a wire probe in the plug hole , set the idle mixture looking for peak increase in rpm and then backing it off to just before the revs drop .

The above got it idling but you couldnt drive it , next step I noticed the accelerator pump was late coming in so extended the linkage 1/10" of an inch so the pump was coming in just off idle

Now you could drive it but the engine kept dying if you gave it any power , wasnt sure if it was fuel vaporization or fuel flow. Pulled the top of the carb off and found the fuel floats were 3/4" from the top of the bowl , bent the floats up with my finger to 1/4" from the top and now it runs like it should

Not many here can read the shop manuals here as they're in English and most mechanics use a witch doctor look and feel approach including ignition timing and bolt torques , very few have torque wrenches and none have timing lights that I have seen

Finally got myself a full time Jeep mechanic to assist with chasing parts and doing things that I dont have time for now on my 3 Jeeps but I have to retrain him , its been a bit of a dream of mine if I break my Jeep on the weekends and have it ready for the following weekend ! In the past it was sometimes weeks before I could track down parts and fix things

My Jeep life is definitely looking up , off to buy my plasma cutter and mig welder tomorrow

[JavaJeep]

The last year I've been flat out getting my new business up and running and FINALLY got some time today to get back to the J20

Today was spent cutting out rust spots on the front clip , sanding the paint off the roof and getting some parts ready to go on the truck

Here's a photo of the truck in action as my workshop pick up truck

The engine weighs around 1.25 ton and yes the truck was overloaded but I only had to drive a few miles to my workshop , the cool factor was high and it freaked a lot of other drivers and pedestrians out , I drove past some cops who stood there with their mouths open, they didn't know what to make of it and they left me alone ...

http://www.nusantara-sky.com/website_photos/DSC00666small.jpg

[fulsizjeep]

Wow, that looks like something Mythbusters would tie down and light off! :eek:

[JavaJeep]

Photos from today

Assisting is a few guys from the office getting some Saturday overtime

Can anyone guess what the future hood vents are from ?

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[JavaJeep]

http://www.nusantara-sky.com/website_photos/DSC006696x6.jpg

This is what I ultimately want to do with the J20 - a 6x6

[Blue & Gray]

I am still tickled about the MAP gauge from a P-40. What a neat plane to have a part from on your Jeep. I always liked reading about the Flying Tigers and thought they did pretty dang good with what they had. Killer Jeep and great pictures.

[JavaJeep]

[quote=Blue & Gray]I am still tickled about the MAP gauge from a P-40. [quote]

If you ever put an MAP gauge in your jeep put a inline valve before the gauge , if the engine backfires when starting the engine you will get showered in glass from the MAP , don't ask me how I know . The gauge has a lexan cover now.

The P-40 is THE classic early WW2 US fighter , got to love the 'sharks teeth' paint jobs they put on them

[Mikel]

This is what I ultimately want to do with the J20 - a 6x6

Excellent idea! :thumbsup:

[JavaJeep]

Hi Mikel

"1969 M715, 6x6 project"

Where can I see some pics ?

[Mikel]

Hi Mikel

"1969 M715, 6x6 project"

Where can I see some pics ?
;)

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=69161


By the way, this picture is a classic :thumbsup:

http://www.nusantara-sky.com/website_photos/DSC00666small.jpg

[JavaJeep]

Hi Mikel

That's a great set up for the two rear axles on your M715 6x6 project

I've been thinking about how to keep the cost down by using leaf springs and your arrangement is excellent ... I hope you don't mind if I use it as a basis for my future project

I had a different idea for getting power to the rear wheels and I've NEVER seen it done so it could be an original or it could be that it's just unworkable

The idea is this ... use the FRONT axle from the M715 as the centre axle in a 6x6 , take the power via a fixed driveshaft from the transfer case into an old transfer case (locked at 1:1) mounted solidly between the two axles and then splitting the power to the centre and rear axles using short driveshafts

Another bonus is that at some stage the centre axle could be set up as a steering axle also

What do you think ?

[Mikel]

Hi Mikel

That's a great set up for the two rear axles on your M715 6x6 project

I've been thinking about how to keep the cost down by using leaf springs and your arrangement is excellent ... I hope you don't mind if I use it as a basis for my future project
Hello,
That configuration has been used by 6x6 trucks for almost a century. I haven't invented it.

I had a different idea for getting power to the rear wheels and I've NEVER seen it done so it could be an original or it could be that it's just unworkable

The idea is this ... use the FRONT axle from the M715 as the centre axle in a 6x6 , take the power via a fixed driveshaft from the transfer case into an old transfer case (locked at 1:1) mounted solidly between the two axles and then splitting the power to the centre and rear axles using short driveshafts

Another bonus is that at some stage the centre axle could be set up as a steering axle also

What do you think ?
There was a company called USA6x6 (currently in bankrupcy?) that had something similar, but it was a custom aluminum gearbox that added a rear-pointing output to the middle axle. My configuration was based on the fact that the transfer case that I'm using would easily accept a second rear output.

The easiest way to approach that problem is with rockwell axles, but they are VERY heavy and geared VERY low (6.7ish:1). Way too much for my truck.

Here is a 6x6 with rockwell axles. I'm not a big fan of that type of suspension for the rear. I think my load sharing setup will articulate much better, without sacrificing load carrying capacity. I also wouldn't drive a vehicle with pinion brakes on the road :eek:

http://www.urbansurvivors.com/trex/index.htm

Mikel

[waynestiles]

the old "Masters of Disaster" air show/thrill show team incorporated several jet powered trucks, radical stunt planes and pyrotechnics in their act. one was a twin jetted Kenworth or Peterbilt. Another was a smaller "straight job" that looked like a 57 Nomad pickup on steriods. I might have a pic somewhere of it.
I saw them at OshKosh a few years ago Tragically the airplane portion of the show collided in Canada the following summer. your rig with the jet engine brought back a memory of one of the scariest air show acts I (or anyone else has seen).

anchor that jet down, fuel and power it up and touch it off--on a long straight road it'd be a helovaride. Might even inspire Jakarta traffic to get out of your way.

[JavaJeep]

Haha , no the engine was one I hauled back to the workshop and now sold (to Africa) , I posted it as an example of what the truck gets used for

I do move a lot of helicopter engines which the J20 is perfect for (400 to 800hp) , that engine was a 4,000shp from an Antonov 12 transport

Eventually I want to build a long 30 foot 5 ton capacity trailer which will sit on a turntable in the back of the tray of the truck so I can haul light aircraft fuselages

It's a work truck not a jet powered show truck :)

[JavaJeep]

http://www.nusantara-sky.com/website_photos/DSC00670.JPG

http://www.nusantara-sky.com/website_photos/DSC00671.JPG

Just to prove this photo isn't an Adobe photoshop creation

[fulsizjeep]

Haha... I had no doubt it was real. :cool: You probably need some overloads for that work truck. ;)

[Mikel]

J20 with the T18 and 258... It doesn't get any better from the factory :)

[JavaJeep]

"1963 J300, 4BT, NV4500, NP200 D60/D70"

Hi Mikel

Where's the link for this project ?

What does a 4BT/NV4500 cost to buy out of a wreck in the USA ?

[Mikel]

"1963 J300, 4BT, NV4500, NP200 D60/D70"

Hi Mikel

Where's the link for this project ?

What does a 4BT/NV4500 cost to buy out of a wreck in the USA ?
I don't have a single thread on this one, just a bunch of scattered pics. Here are few. For 4BT questions, the best site is www.4btswaps.com (http://www.4btswaps.com) Everything you ever wanted to know about the 4BT and were afraid to ask
:)

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/253/dsc03763bad6.jpg

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5537/dsc03946eb8.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6540/dsc03948cf9.jpg

[fully standard jeep]

hi
i read your thread and if you have a fully floating rear diff then all you would have to do is upgrade your rear springs to stop that sag ,i hauled 4.5 ton over 3000 km from melbourne to mackay in QLD in my 1.5 ton 67 gladiator and did not get that kind of sag you have in the photo
but did have to replace an axle and bearings after the got back to melbourne but i only had a semi floating DANA 53

[JavaJeep]

Thanks for the reply

The rear end in the Jeep is a full floater Dana 60

What load of 4.5 tons would fit into a FSJ ?

I want to build a light 3 axle semi trailer for moving aircraft fuselages up to around 5 tonnes

Plan is to have a turntable in the rear of the tray similar to what they use for big horse floats

[fully standard jeep]

well dont quote me but i read somewere that the jeep frame was load tested to 35000 lb and i was hauling a house full of furnture for my sister i had a flat tray 6 foot wide and 8 foot lonh and when it was full the load sat maybe 4-5 foot high ,the hight of the roof.

[pineymike]

WOW! what an awsome thred I read primarly for enterainment,Thanks!

[JavaJeep]

Still cutting out rust in the front sides of the pick up tray

It's a difficult job as we have to cut out the inner skin to replace and shape the outer skin properly

Slow but making progress ... some pics soon

[JavaJeep]

Is this rear spring mount welded INVERTED to the chassis normal ?

Has it been flipped over by a previous owner or did they come from the factory like this ?

In fact the spring shackle acts as a lowering device and it rode really rough , the shackle is coming out.

http://www.asean-aerospace.com/jeep_files/DSC05161.JPG

[JavaJeep]

The rust in the floor of the cab isn't too bad for over 25 years of wear and tear

http://www.asean-aerospace.com/jeep_files/DSC05879.JPG

http://www.asean-aerospace.com/jeep_files/DSC05881.JPG

[fulsizjeep]

Is this rear spring mount welded INVERTED to the chassis normal ?It is normal but those shackles are not stock. It should be same shackle that fits the front springs. The floor rot is a standard feature from Jeep. :)

[JavaJeep]

I bought a donor J20 last weekend

No drivetrain but it has panels , tray and glass which is hard to buy here.

http://www.asean-aerospace.com/jeep_files/100_8031.JPG

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The tray will be modified for the future 6x6 conversion and the chassis will help with fabricating components for the roadgoing J20 , once its back on the road I don't want it parked for ages again.

I am told by the cops there are only 8 J20s still registered in Indonesia , there were probably a couple of hundred built here from kits.

[bowtieman55]

number 3 is an awesome picture...hope you don't mind if I borrow it:D

[JeepNOFEAR]

This is a great thread. Thanks for sharing.:thumbsup:

[JavaJeep]

number 3 is an awesome picture...hope you don't mind if I borrow it:D

What's so awesome about it ? Anyway be my guest :-)

[JavaJeep]

http://www.asean-aerospace.com/jeep_files/DSC06725.JPG

What US model year are the tail lights on this J20 ?

[JavaJeep]

Just finished spraying all the front and inner panels with PPG-Desoto Desoprime expoxy primer.

This is a two part epoxy primer used on commercial airliners and the end result is like powder coating , hard and tough !

It has to be sand blasted or wire brushed off , it won't come off with paint stripper.

If you want to use this paint and have an airport nearby try and get friendly with one of the workshops , this paint has a shelf life of 12 months for aviation use and costs $200 to $400 gallon , I can pick up expired tins of paint for around $10 gallon and it will be still ok for use on your jeep for another 1 or 2 years.

There are 2 parts to the paint , a base component (colored) and an activator component (clear) in separate cans so make sure you get both components.

I'll post some photos tomorrow.

[JavaJeep]

Here's a shot of the hood with the epoxy primer.

http://www.asean-aerospace.com/jeep_files/100_9682.JPG

It's a first coat , we have to put in the hood vent (now from a Boeing 737 air cycle machine vent , they're smaller than the 727 vent) , hit the low spots with some filler and then some more primer before a final coat of aircraft grade epoxy matt black top coat.

Next is working on putting a roll cage into the cab, when we've finished that the temporary auto primer will be stripped and then more aircraft epoxy primer.

We're going to TRY and fit some some side cockpit windows from a DC-10 in for a windscreen , these babies are lexan and are 20mm thick ! No worries about stone chips , cracked windscreens or winch cables going through the windscreen.

[JavaJeep]

I made a lucky discovery while we were pulling all the glass out of the cab, the side windows and rear windows were house glass with some window tint film over it ! ! !

Talk about deadly !

This is the 3rd Jeep I've owned in Indonesia like this , the 2 Willys also had house glass but used in the windscreen ! I had to replace those also.

For the J20 I'll probably use the glass out of the donor J20 as they are original Jeep safety glass and still in good shape

-

[JavaJeep]

Photos of the J20s new windsreen

I can't buy new windscreens here for the J20 so I decided to fix it with something that won't break and will handle body flexing without going white around the edges like the current J20 windscreens I have (2 of them)

The Lexan windows are the side cockpit windows in a DC-10 and need about 1.2" trimmed off the corner of each of them to find the best position that fits

http://www.asean-aerospace.com/jeep_files/100_9685.JPG

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The windows will be bolted into an angle iron frame and the external gaps filled in with sheetmetal

In direct sunlight the windows have a very fine layer of gold built into them a bit like the visor of a space helmet.

[JavaJeep]

http://www.asean-aerospace.com/jeep_files/DSC05161.JPG

I'm thinking about moving the rear springs from the side of the frame to an under frame mount or relocating the side mounts lower to get rid of the lift blocks.

What's the downside of moving the springs to an under frame arrangement compared to a lower position at the side of the frame ?

[ob1jeeper]

I'm thinking about moving the rear springs from the side of the frame to an under frame mount or relocating the side mounts lower to get rid of the lift blocks.

What's the downside of moving the springs to an under frame arrangement compared to a lower position at the side of the frame ?
Main downside will be reduced roll stiffness, which depending on the loads you carry, the roads/trails you run on, MAY necessitate addition of a rear sway bar to help control the roll/lean of the chassis & suspension to acceptable levels.

IF you are going to be carrying loads at the limit of the axle rating, or pounding on it hard (as in heavy throttle mud bogging, and/or jumping it), you may also want to consider addition of a rear axle truss.

[JavaJeep]

Thanks OB1

It maybe simpler and more stable to lower the side frame mounts

The diff truss is not a bad idea in either configuration

[JavaJeep]

JeepZilla's floor was a bit of a mess , rust holes and some areas of the floor were paper thin, so it required a lot of panels and patches made up and welded in , now the J20 has a good floor again . The whole cab has taken back to bare metal by hand (no sand blaster available locally) before respraying

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http://www.asean-aerospace.com/jeep_files/DSC05881.JPG

RUST REPAIRS DONE - Now preparing to paint

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[otway-jack]

Giday Javajeep. I'm in Vic Aust.
I did a spring over axle front and spring under chasis rear quite a few years ago on my J20. The only prob I have found with the rear is that I have started to twist the rails at the rear most spring mounts. Not alot, but you can see it by eye. But I have abused my J20 and carried some heavy gear around. Other wise it works a treat.
I am doing a lot of maintenance to it at the moment and will reinforce the rails.
It was a 258 then 250 falcon motor. T18, NP208. 8 Stud wheels etc. Now has 360 and 727 auto.

Photos of rear spring work. If you look closely you can see I am also making a new tray.
http://http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/Johno_coral/springunder1.jpg

http://http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/Johno_coral/springunder2.jpg

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http://http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/Johno_coral/springunder4.jpg

[JavaJeep]

G'day Jack

How was the handling with the springs under the frame ?

Did you get any additional and noticeable body roll ?

[otway-jack]

How was the handling with the springs under the frame ?

Did you get any additional and noticeable body roll ?

Only ever an issue when I carry very heavy loads on the racks above the roof. I can seriously say that I never notice the body roll at any other time. Handles like it always did.
Lets face it I have only moved the springs in about 75mm on each side. So they are still probably wider than my Hylux:D

[JavaJeep]

Agree Jack,

One of the things I like about the J20 is it doesn't roll around too much and doesn't handle too bad either , it's easier to drive than my CJ7 or Willys , both of which can be a bit twitchy with their short wheelbases.

[JavaJeep]

Well things are going slow but some progress has been made

Exhaust

I rerouted the exhaust away from the clutch slave cylinder (it had a habit of cooking it until the seals failed) and the exhaust will finish up in an exhaust snorkel/stack behind the cab

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Transmission Crossmember

Transmission crossmember was notched to give a bit more clearance , there were some witness marks on the front driveshaft which showed that it actually hit the crossmember when under power sometime in the past

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs416.ash2/69399_166522683373990_100000487772250_488910_35524 09_n.jpg

Roll Bar

Roll bar is in and will be bolted in soon

Cab and Cargo Tray

Now rust free and in primer , this took ages , there is no bog , all the panels were cut out and new pieces formed and welded in. We are installing some cargo tie down rails also from a Boeing and that will work great with the proper aircraft cargo locks we have. Also some aluminium sandwich aircraft floor panels to protect the floor.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1148.snc4/149022_178108528882072_100000487772250_565607_6458 388_n.jpg

Engine Bay Cooling Vanes

I installed a Boeing 737-200 pressurisation system outlet valve in the hood , inspired by the Hummer cooling vents , except this one can be opened and closed

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General Pics

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Also anyone know where the best place to buy new J20 window rubbers etc from the USA ?

More pics

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1230.snc4/156284_178123368880588_100000487772250_565731_7316 58_n.jpg


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And finally some photos of the J20 at work and play before it came apart


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The whole album can be viewed on my Facebook here

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=26486&id=100000487772250&l=6622ae1624

Next job is shoehorning a massive 6 row radiator salvaged from a ground power aircraft starting generator set , the J20 is never going to overheat with this monster

The radiator outlets and filling cap all need to be changed , the radiator may have to lay on it's side as a side tank radiator as it maybe too tall to go in with a vertical mounting , we are considering shortening the height of the radiator also

Trial fit and out with the plasma cutter on Monday.

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After trial fitting of various small projects like the new radiator and exhaust the J20 will come apart again , the chassis stripped back and painted , diffs , universal joints and bearings checked, body mounts turned up on the lathe from nylon etc.

We've put the aircraft windscreens on hold for the second build up , there's a lot of panel work and welding involved to install the aircraft windscreens and I may find a set which is a better fit . The Boeing 727 windscreens are too wide , the DC-10 side windows are the wrong shape , we currently have a set of McDonnel Douglas MD82 windscreens put aside which are the best fit for the J20 cab so far.

Color will be matt black with the lower body presses (wheel arches etc) in gloss black, maybe with a red pin stripe , it's going to look great

I'd still love to throw in a V8 or a turbo diesel but I want to get it back on the road, I have another J20 chassis I can do a more extreme build up with (V8 or turbo diesel and 6x6) which can be done will the J20 gets driven , once the new chassis is ready the J20 can come apart again but that will be at least 1 to 2 years away given my time constraints with my business

[arclight]

Lookin good :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Your still outpaceing me and my truck rebuild.

[joe]

Welcome from WA state (the good WA, not the embarrassing DC WA) Nice J20 in the land of the Mahindra's. Since I like Mahindra's and other 3rd world stuff too I may annoy you with a PM regarding dsl flatfenders and dsl Enfields. Won't be today though. I'll let ya settle in here a bit first.
Regards,

[JavaJeep]

Hi Joe , I'm in Java Indonesia not India :)

[JavaJeep]

Which company sells the best suspension kits for the J20 ?

I want to go for 35" or 36" tires

[joe]

Hi Joe , I'm in Java Indonesia not India :)

Yeah I know not country of origin but Indonesia imports a lot of India's vehicles both 4 and 2 wheels that we can't get here.

[JavaJeep]

We don't see many Mahindras here , there were a lot of Mitsubishi Willys jeeps imported though

[JavaJeep]

Some more photos

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Filled in the dash ventilation vents , the previous vents were a mess , I'll go for some aircraft air vents

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Getting ready to modify the top and bottom tanks on the 6 core radiator (from a 5,000cc aircraft stationery ground power unit)

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Starting to look like a J20 again

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Some rust repairs on the brow smoothed off with filler

[jaber]

Doing great work. Thanks for the update.:thumbsup:

[JavaJeep]

Thanks Jeff,

You have 12 Jeeps , that's a lifetime of project vehicles ! :)

3 is more than enough for me

[jaber]

Thanks Jeff,

You have 12 Jeeps , that's a lifetime of project vehicles ! :)

3 is more than enough for me

What can I say, I got the sickness DEEP...:cool:

[JavaJeep]

Radiator top and bottom tanks are getting cut up to fit in vertically tomorrow.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1355.snc4/162792_181370205222571_100000487772250_589565_7032 978_n.jpg

The radiator is a 6 core unit , copper alloy tubes and fins , the only downside is it's heavy , I'm guessing 35 to 40 lbs , I'll put it on the scales tomorrow.

The radiator inlet and outlets have to be moved also , the top and bottom tanks are bolt on mild steel so it's going to be a straightforward job.

Does the 360/401 have the same radiator inlet and outlet positioning as the 258 ?

As an aside , I just noticed that the tires the radiator is sitting on are 14 ply A4E Skyhawk/F4 Phantom nose wheel tyres and in the background is a Mig 21 tire. The tires are new surplus but didn't make the cut for export sales as they have minor nicks and cuts so they ended up in the workshop. A little bit of aviation history in the workshop.

[Brizio]

Great job! Keep us posted!

[JavaJeep]

I was considering flying in a lift kit from overseas but the cost is going to be enormous so I'm going SOA on the front and moving the rear springs under the frame rails, I've read that going underframe has caused some chassis flexing on other trucks so may look at bolting or welding in some additional bracing at the rear of the chassis

[JavaJeep]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs776.ash1/166645_185244471501811_100000487772250_621491_3303 021_n.jpg

I've used time expired (for aviation use) epoxy zinc chromate primer on the body panels , this stuff sets incredibly hard and can only be stripped off with special chemicals or an angle grinder with a wire brush. I paid $10 gallon for it from one of the airlines here , if you have access to this primer give it a try , it's great.

[JavaJeep]

This is the first version of the dash , I'm probably going to re-do it

http://www.asean-aerospace.com/jeep_files/DSC00002.JPG

http://www.asean-aerospace.com/jeep_files/DSC00009.JPG

I reused the standard J20 speedometer , gauges include water temp , oil pressure , oil temp, tachometer , fuel pressure . I haven't decided on a volt meter or ammeter yet

The dash will be painted in a flat finish medium grey

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[JavaJeep]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs766.ash1/165757_186793894680202_100000487772250_636852_5995 835_n.jpg

What's the difference between using a steering arm with a bend in it like this versus a dropped steering pitman arm ?


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[Mikel]

What's the difference between using a steering arm with a bend in it like this versus a dropped steering pitman arm ?


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What you want to minimize is the angle of the draglink, or to equalize it with the panhard bar if you have one (which is not your case), to minimize bump steer.

A dropped pitman arm will reduce the angle of the draglink, but in my opinion, increases the stresses on the steering box.

Bending the draglink will work for clearing obstacles but will make it weaker and will have no effect on bumpsteer on its own.

Tell us more about your projected 6x6 project :thumbsup:

[JavaJeep]

Hi Mikel

I had a different idea for getting power to the rear wheels and I've NEVER seen it done so it could be an original or it could be that it's just unworkable

The idea is this ... use the FRONT axle from the M715 as the centre axle in a 6x6 , take the power via a fixed driveshaft from the transfer case into an old transfer case (locked at 1:1) mounted solidly between the two axles and then splitting the power to the centre and rear axles using short driveshafts

Another bonus is that at some stage the centre axle could be set up as a steering axle also

What do you think ?

I have a spare J20 chassis so we will get to work on the 6x6 project once this J20 is back on the road , I may just end up copying what you have done , I think its a nice solution.

[JavaJeep]

I think a 6x6 J20 would look AWESOME !

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1338.snc4/163076_186808178012107_100000487772250_636974_7650 171_n.jpg

I'd make the rear wheel arches one large one rather than 2 'standard' wheel arches in the photo

[JavaJeep]

Pics of the radiator

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Top and bottom radiator tanks have been modified , now having to work out where we are going to put mounting brackets etc and some further work notching the radiator bottom tank to provide clearance from the steering box

[Mikel]

Hi Mikel

I had a different idea for getting power to the rear wheels and I've NEVER seen it done so it could be an original or it could be that it's just unworkable

The idea is this ... use the FRONT axle from the M715 as the centre axle in a 6x6 , take the power via a fixed driveshaft from the transfer case into an old transfer case (locked at 1:1) mounted solidly between the two axles and then splitting the power to the centre and rear axles using short driveshafts

Another bonus is that at some stage the centre axle could be set up as a steering axle also

What do you think ?

I have a spare J20 chassis so we will get to work on the 6x6 project once this J20 is back on the road , I may just end up copying what you have done , I think its a nice solution.

Hello,
I would check how much space you got. I think those rear driveshafts would be mighty short! I think the easiest way is to get a NP200 from a M715 (which you say is fairly common over there) and use the two rear outputs to drive an axle each.
Good luck.
Mikel

[lkmarsh]

I think a 6x6 J20 would look AWESOME !

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1338.snc4/163076_186808178012107_100000487772250_636974_7650 171_n.jpg



Hello from Central California! 6x6 does look awesome! At first glance I thought that would make a killer fifth wheel hauler. Then I noticed you have apparently traded up from the I6, making it unwise to tow anything flammable. You would never be bothered by tailgaters. Way to Think Outside The Box!:thumbsup:

[JavaJeep]

Hello,
I would check how much space you got. I think those rear driveshafts would be mighty short! I think the easiest way is to get a NP200 from a M715 (which you say is fairly common over there) and use the two rear outputs to drive an axle each.
Good luck.
Mikel
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Sounds much more sensible !

[JavaJeep]

Then I noticed you have apparently traded up from the I6, making it unwise to tow anything flammable. You would never be bothered by tailgaters. Way to Think Outside The Box!

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I think that engine is flying in Africa now sitting on the wing of an Antonov 12 cargo aircraft

I had a lot of fun getting weird looks driving down the street with that engine in the back when taking it back to my warehouse. The funniest was the traffic cops who were going to stop me but then decided it looked too weird and probably too much trouble so they just stood there with their mouths open as I drove by


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[JavaJeep]

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Body spacer

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Radiator braces (Boeing 737-200 control rods)

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Radiator mounts

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Preparing the dashboard for paint

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Radiator bracing struts , these are control tubes from a B737-200 , aluminium , strong and light weight. I think they look great ! Tack welded for fitting and placement for the moment

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I'm amazed how these functional struts really dress up the engine bay visually

[JavaJeep]

I have a Chev 350 4 bolt sitting in the corner of the workshop for my Willys project and I'm really tempted to put it into the J20 , it shouldn't be a huge job , what do you think ?

It's going to be at least a year before the Willys is ready so I may as well use the engine.

Looking at the Novak and Advance websites it doesn't need a lot of expense on adapters etc.

Anyone done it ?

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[jaber]

I have a Chev 350 4 bolt sitting in the corner of the workshop for my Willys project and I'm really tempted to put it into the J20 , it shouldn't be a huge job , what do you think ?

It's going to be at least a year before the Willys is ready so I may as well use the engine.

Looking at the Novak and Advance websites it doesn't need a lot of expense on adapters etc.

Anyone done it ?

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What year is the J-20? You could find a chevy tranny and t-case and not have to worry about buying adapters.
The early 80s had the 700r with a passy drop 208 behind them. Then it would be engine and tranny mounts...

[JavaJeep]

Busy with some customer projects this week so no progress on the truck other than tidying up the radiator mounts.

I had the painters come in yesterday to discuss the color scheme , matt black on the upper surfaces and gloss black on the fender flares and lower trims , it's gunna look mean

More pics

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Radiator top and bottom tanks cut down to size and the bottom tank notched to clear the steering box

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Body spacers

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Painting components of the engine bay cooling louvre

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The workshop crew and 2 of the storeman lending a hand on the Jeep when things aren't busy , note them welding in thongs ! I've supplied safety boots many times and they just refuse to wear them saying that is a spark goes in the shoe it will burn a hole in your foot where with thongs they have a chance of flicking the spark off without injury , it drives me crazy and other than coming down hard on them with fines etc for not wearing safety shoes I've gone with the flow , if they get injured thats their problem now , at least they do wear eye protection and gloves. Also you notice they love to work on floor even though we have a workbench and welding bench , oh well , that's Indonesia

[JavaJeep]

Next big job will be the front SOA and moving the rear spring mounts under the axle frame