HP passy drop D60 for me!?!?!?

[4x4fEvEr]

ive got a lead on a free dana60 from a 79f350, would i dare or could i even retube that sucker to make it a high pinion passy drop axle for my cherokee?? id want it back to stock i dont have the money for shafts and etc. but is this doable or feasible or realistic. maybe just sell it and get me a passy drop low pinion from a cheby?

[KaiserMan]

Might be cheaper to swap in a T18/NP208 (or other similar combo) that is driver drop and run the 60 as is. Would be a good chance to upgarde from you D20 as well.

[waggin'ear]

Just get a T176 bellhousing and swap in a ford tranny (np435 or t18)/transfer case (205 since your running big meats.

[Stuka]

Yeah, keep axle as is, and upgrade to a ford trans and t-case. Then you solve the D20 output issue at the same time.

[JeepsAndGuns]

NO NO NO, you dont need that axle. Let me know where its at and my dad will come pick it up for you. He lives there in abingdon.

[Dmntxn77]

I checked into doing somthing similar with a LP, and was quoted $450 to have the tubes swaped and the inner C's rotated up a few degrees...

[scotty]

yup,do not fear the driver side drop. to resell a ford 60 in order to buy a chevy would cause a great disturbance in the force. :eek:

take the $$ you would have spent on an adapter for a dana 300 and and retubing an axle and youll have plenty to spend on a ford 435/205.

the ford axle is superior to the standard cut chevy with a stronger ring gear(reverse cut) and less angles on the drivesahft u joints. and you cant get much stronger than the ford 205s 31 spline input/outputs.

not to mention getting rid of the 44s puny pinion and axle joints in the process,and for free. :)

[4x4fEvEr]

Yeah, keep axle as is, and upgrade to a ford trans and t-case. Then you solve the D20 output issue at the same time.

know whats funny i was given a 77 f-150 with the 435 and 205 and i looked for a 176 bellhousing for quite a while but then i said fudge it and sold it all...:banghead:

plus im concerned about the crappy low range in the 205 and the 1000 bucks it takes to get it lower.

[orangecherokee]

drop your cogs in your diffs to compensate for the lack of low range. it's not the best but it'll suffice until you can sqeeze enough cheddar out for the blingin' klune. :thumbsup:

[scotty]

im concerned about the crappy low range in the 205 and the 1000 bucks it takes to get it lower.

you are not thinking logically.

im never sure why people that run d20s worry about the 205s low range,as they are for all purposes the same(1.96 vs 2.03). while youd like to be lower,im willing to bet in granny/low you get around just fine,cause i run the same thing in my jeep. ive run a t18 with d20 low range now with 3.73s,4:10s and 4.56s(what ive got now)

nothing wrong with wanting to be lower. also nothing wrong with wanting to be stronger.

the d300 is a decent case,but only marginally strogner than your current d20. if you beef it up with all the lo max upgrades and lower low range,youve exceded the cost of the 3:1 low range available for the 205,and youve not spent any $$ on adapting it to your jeep t18. :eek:

so for the sake of argument,say you get a d300 for free.zero,zip,nada. you have to spend about $350 for an adapter for your jeep t18. im pretty sure you could buy a ford 435/205 and a t150 bell for that price(specially since people seem to be giving you Great Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley Moogley all the time ;) ),so this puts you at the same place for the same $$.

looking at what you get,the d300 route does get you a better stock low range,and "upgradeability",but the 205 route keeps you at your current final drive and gives you many times the beef.

ok,now you want lower low range. for $1000 you get 205 indestructability and a 3:1 low. to beef up the d300 costs you,what,$1500 for lower low range and the front/rear output upgrades?

so youll spend more $$ on the d300,and maybe youve gotten a lower low than the 205s 3:1,but now you have to worry about the stock case splitting in half since its now the weak link.but dont worry,im sure they will eventually make bling aluminum cases to replace broken stock iron ones,but after you pay whatever they want for that,you prolly could have bought an atlas. or a decent doubler for a ford 435/205.

once again my 2 cents. it would be a pretty easy choice for me. :)

[zmjeeps]

I have a completely rebuilt Chevy D60 front with 4.11s I'll trade you for the Ford Front D60 if you want to. PM me.

[Brad W.]

bingo, there you go. Thats not a bad trade considering it's been rebuilt. I'd do that for bolt-in ease if it were me. I'd still step up to a bigger case though. SM-465/NP-205 maybe, non-slip yoke of course.

[4x4fEvEr]

you are not thinking logically.

im never sure why people that run d20s worry about the 205s low range,as they are for all purposes the same(1.96 vs 2.03). while youd like to be lower,im willing to bet in granny/low you get around just fine,cause i run the same thing in my jeep. ive run a t18 with d20 low range now with 3.73s,4:10s and 4.56s(what ive got now)

nothing wrong with wanting to be lower. also nothing wrong with wanting to be stronger.

the d300 is a decent case,but only marginally strogner than your current d20. if you beef it up with all the lo max upgrades and lower low range,youve exceded the cost of the 3:1 low range available for the 205,and youve not spent any $$ on adapting it to your jeep t18. :eek:

so for the sake of argument,say you get a d300 for free.zero,zip,nada. you have to spend about $350 for an adapter for your jeep t18. im pretty sure you could buy a ford 435/205 and a t150 bell for that price(specially since people seem to be giving you Great Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley Moogley all the time ;) ),so this puts you at the same place for the same $$.

looking at what you get,the d300 route does get you a better stock low range,and "upgradeability",but the 205 route keeps you at your current final drive and gives you many times the beef.

ok,now you want lower low range. for $1000 you get 205 indestructability and a 3:1 low. to beef up the d300 costs you,what,$1500 for lower low range and the front/rear output upgrades?

so youll spend more $$ on the d300,and maybe youve gotten a lower low than the 205s 3:1,but now you have to worry about the stock case splitting in half since its now the weak link.but dont worry,im sure they will eventually make bling aluminum cases to replace broken stock iron ones,but after you pay whatever they want for that,you prolly could have bought an atlas. or a decent doubler for a ford 435/205.

once again my 2 cents. it would be a pretty easy choice for me. :)

ok u got me thinking and yeah i do get alot of other peoples junk for free, i got a 77 cj-5 last week cost me a 50 dollar tow bill ( people just dont know what they got) :D and on this subject talkin about the np435 and 205 to use the d60 that would be the ultimate right? ok figure i come across the np435 205 and the 176 im probably lookin more at a time thing than a money thing right and ive got 5.13's for my axles as of right now, which means id be hunting another R&P for my front 60. hmmmmmmmmmm **** i think u sold me on the idea scotty. be a hella long time before i get the grand for the 3:1 but id be strong and less likely to break those parts.

[Brad W.]

yep. do a 205 either way. you wont regret it, I dont. the last couple Rigs i've had have used them, I love them.

[youngjeeper]

I will give you $500 cash for it this weekend.

[Brad W.]

I will give you $500 cash for it this weekend.

ROFL. Double... Hell, triple that and then you're playing in the big-boy park. :p

[4x4fEvEr]

I will give you $500 cash for it this weekend.


i would sell it to you for 500 but i know the value of my gift :D

[orangecherokee]

i would sell it to you for 500 but i know the value of my gift :D

aren't statements like these some kind of anomaly? you would but you won't. it's like an oxymoron. this has no bearing on the axle but i thought i'd bring it to your attention.

[Stuka]

Nick: I noticed that too :P

[4x4fEvEr]

aren't statements like these some kind of anomaly? you would but you won't. it's like an oxymoron. this has no bearing on the axle but i thought i'd bring it to your attention.


"anomaly |??näm?l?| noun ( pl. -lies) 1 something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected : there are a number of anomalies in the present system | a legal anomaly | [with clause ] the apparent anomaly that those who produced the wealth were the poorest | the position abounds in anomaly." i dont think its an anomaly

"oxymoron |?äks??môr?än| noun a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (e.g., faith unfaithful kept him falsely true). " no oxymoron in there either

the only thing in that sentence thats a fancy word is a preposition (but)

i would sell it for that if i was desperate for cash, just like if my aunt had balls shed be my uncle :D

[orangecherokee]

wow, you took it that far. i'm speechless or am i?

[Stuka]

I could be speechless, but I'm not.

[4x4fEvEr]

wow, you took it that far. i'm speechless or am i?

u gotta go all the way if u are gonna do it



on a side note im lookin for a NP435 and NP205 so i can just run the ford 60. gotta go the cheapest route.

[BRUTUS]

just like if my aunt had balls shed be my uncle :D

That was AWESOME!

[4x4fEvEr]

That was AWESOME!


please feel free to share that one with your friends :thumbsup:

[ChiefTawny]

np435/205 forsale, not mine.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=487733

[4x4fEvEr]

np435/205 forsale, not mine.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=487733


good eye but i just found a 435 for 100 bucks and i traded a hp 44 for my 205. thanks for the look out though

[LaJ10]

Ive got the 435 205 combo in mine with 3.73 and 35's.I know most people think that you have to be really low geared but I can put mine in 4 lo and third gear let the clutch out idleing and still get out and wlak faster than it goes.In first and 4lo I have yet to stall the motor.So i ask why does everyone want to get such a low lowrange.Im not trying to be an Great Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley Moogley but I think the beef is worth much more at least with the 435 205 I can rap the motor hard and the last thing I worry about is the tranny xcase exploding.

[4x4fEvEr]

.So i ask why does everyone want to get such a low lowrange.


im runnin 39.5" iroks with 3.73 gears and it just about sucks. i cant do any rockcrawling because i move to fast and break shiat way easier. like the video of me goin up the waterfall if i had deeper gearing (5.13) i woulda been way better off. also i think its good thought to have a bout a 100 for a crawl ratio on a FSJ but thats just me.

if i had it my way it would be 5.13 gears with my np435 and a 3:1 low in my 205 givin me a ratio of 102 or so and crawling around like that should keep me from rippin apart motor mounts, bustin rear outputs and etc becuase id me stayin off the skinny pedal

[BRUTUS]

Ive got the 435 205 combo in mine with 3.73 and 35's.I know most people think that you have to be really low geared but I can put mine in 4 lo and third gear let the clutch out idleing and still get out and wlak faster than it goes.In first and 4lo I have yet to stall the motor.So i ask why does everyone want to get such a low lowrange.

It is actually easier on your components to not "wrap the motor hard" and get wheel hop when rock crawling. When your FSJ is inclined or declined severly the weight of the body and engine aren't necessarily over your wheels any more so you have much less traction on one set of wheels and much greater traction on the other set. So it becomes more important to utilize the traction that you have more effectively by going slower. That is why most buggys use 4-cylinder engines with 100+:1 gearing on massive meats.

When you are running the swamps and bogs you want tirespin to clean your tires and because there is no such thing as wheel hop in the mud. Mud = horsepower, rockcrawling = torque.

[Slick Willie]

With 39.5's, 5.13's with your np435 would be pretty low.
5.13's with your 3:1 205 would be pretty low too.
5.13's, a np435 and a 3:1 in a 205? That would be rediculously low.

You should check out that crawl ratio calculator that derf (401) has in his signinture. If he meant third gear and not first, I agree with the Louisiana guy...2 tcases and 3.XX gearing is still pretty low.

[4x4fEvEr]

With 39.5's, 5.13's with your np435 would be pretty low.
5.13's with your 3:1 205 would be pretty low too.
5.13's, a np435 and a 3:1 in a 205? That would be rediculously low.

You should check out that crawl ratio calculator that derf (401) has in his signinture. If he meant third gear and not first, I agree with the Louisiana guy...2 tcases and 3.XX gearing is still pretty low.


the crawl ratio is simple math as noted in my above post. 5.13x6.68first gear(i think?)x3:1 low in the t-case = 102. ill be very satisfied with that but once im runnin my 435/205 ill be without the 3:1 so ill have 5.13x6.68x1.96=67.16 and i should be happy with that but ill be even happier with the 102 and u can never go too low i think. if im too low or just goin up a dusty road i can kick it into 2nd 3rd or 4th.

[Slick Willie]

Woops, 205 is a 1.96. I was thinking about a 208 which is 2.61

Plus, derf's calculator doesn't have a np435 option.

But where is your 6.68 coming from? First gear in a T18 (closed ratio) is 4.02 and the T18 (open ratio) is 6.32, but then you still have to multiply by the np435 ratio, whatever that is. So your ratio will be even higher for both.

[Elliott]

The 6.68 is his NP435 1st gear ratio.

[4x4fEvEr]

yes true. i think it will be a badarse setup once i get the thing in.

[Slick Willie]

I shoulda just not even opened my mouth. My bad. Apparently a NP435 is a transmission, not a t-case. I was thinking T-18, 435/205 combo, then gears. Serves me right for thinking all NP's are t-cases. :banghead: Disregard my previous statements.